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<Stomp> Less often to the stars.
<NeoN> Jesus: the first openly homosexual being
<Nosty> He could've been gay.
<Stomp> I could be gay, for all you know.
<Nosty> I think he might have been with Mary Magdeline.
<NeoN> I think he was gay, come to think of it
* rolend kisses Stomp
<NeoN> of course, the bible wouldn't depict that
<Stomp> Why?
<Stomp> It depicted pretty much everything else.
<Nosty> The bible is really a recording of his stories and miracles.  Having sex with a man really isn't miraculous.  I suppose it depends on which man :)
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> maybe he had sex with Herucles
<NeoN> er Hercules
<NeoN> doubt it though
<Stomp> Heracles?
<rolend> bum bum bum bum bum bum bummm bum.
<NeoN> HJealcues
<NeoN> uh huh
<NeoN> right on
<NeoN> Well, I am seriously hungry and I am making a fool of myself, so I'm outtie
<NeoN> later all
<rolend> Regulatas, regulate any stealing of his property, and were daaamn good to, but you can't be any geek off the street, you gotta be handy with the steal if you know what I mean,, earn your keep. REEEGULAAATAAAA'S, Mount UP!
<rolend> God I love the cheeziness of this song
<NeoN> Warren G, aww hell yeah!
<rolend> ehehehehhee
<NeoN> later rolend
<rolend> Keep it Real
<NeoN> You know I will ,foo'
<Stomp> I love beef scones.
<rolend> Hell yeah bitch.
<rolend> Nate Dogg and Warren G had to regulate..
<rolend> Damn I need food/water.. bbl;)
<Stomp> You know what I really love? Seriously, that shredded seasoned meat in some mexican dishes.
<Stomp> Usually beef.
<Stomp> Not ground, anybody can use ground beef, it's the shredded stuff that's really great.
<Stomp> I also love chile rellenos.
<Stomp> Hello.
<Stomp> Heh, BaalDCC.
<Stomp> Ooh, she said modem.
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<rolend> Poe?
<Stomp> You got it, pink baby.
<rolend> Like a disconnected modem;)
<rolend> heheh, alright, food, now.. bbl
<Stomp> 209kb/sec.
<Stomp> Not half bad.
<Stomp> Makes me want to download some other things I don't actually want.
<Stomp> He's got Unreal, but there's barely enough room in /home.
<Stomp> you can't talk to a psycho
<Stomp> like a normal human being
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<Stomp> Data, you're not a sun god! Get over it!
<Stomp> A 512 point Dow Jones drop? 512?
<Stomp> I think it was a bug in some software somewhere.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Stomp> Good press for Apple and Apple products makes me tingle.
<Squeaky> Which press?
* Squeaky looks about for good Apple press
<Stomp> Some weenie freelancers article in Business Week, as linked to by News.com (of all places)
<Stomp> http://www.news.com/go/to?tag=ex.ne.fd.mnaw.2&destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebusinessweek%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fframeloader%3Fleft%3Dbwdaily%2Freframe%2Ehtm%26right%3Dcgi%2Dbin%2Fbwdaily%3Fright%3Ddnflash%2Faug1998%2Fnf80831a%2Ehtm%26lwidth%3D146
<Stomp> har har.
<Stomp> See: The iMac and I
* Squeaky types that URL in over on his Mac
* Squeaky realises his 'net connection is too slow to go anywhere today
<Stomp> Even if you turn off graphics?
<Stomp> Come on man, suck it in and download that 3k of text at 20 bytes per second.
<Squeaky> Yep.
<Squeaky> 4k read and stalled
<Stomp> I blame HTML's gross inefficiency.
* Squeaky tries the old stop and reload trick
<Squeaky> Why isn'yt there a compression mode
<Squeaky> Should be built into the server.   The option to transfer in gziped mode
<Stomp> I concur.
<Squeaky> That could make massive bandwidth improvements
<Squeaky> heavy on the server though.  It would have to be optional
* Squeaky wonders who this should be suggested to
<Stomp> wc3?
<Stomp> The American Corn Huskers Union?
<Squeaky> Yeah, that would be the people
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* Stomp starts downloading 11.6 MB from silver
* Stomp eyes Squeaky
* Stomp runs off
<Squeaky> Hmmm
<Squeaky> Did anyone else get Unreal to work?
<Stomp> I don't believe so.
<Squeaky> Damn you all
<Stomp> It's gone now, anyway.
<Squeaky> Not from my Sun
<Stomp> I see.
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<Stomp> Are you going to split it into floppy-sized chunks and transfer it to a mac?
<Squeaky> Nope, I already transferred it.
<Squeaky> Unstuffed too.
<Stomp> I see.
<Stomp> What seems to be the problem?
<Squeaky> Then the disk image failed the verify.  But I installed anyway.  And that failed.  But I ran the game anyway.  But that failed.  So I increased the memory, and that failed
<Squeaky> unreall.u could not be found
<Squeaky> when installing, it says unreall.u is corrupt, so I skipped over it.
<Squeaky> then when you run, it says it can't be found
<Squeaky> which would make sense 'cos it wasn't installed
<Stomp> Well, as soon as someone else gets a working copy going, i'll deliver unreall.u to you personally.
<Squeaky> On a floppy
<Squeaky> so I can play it on my iMac
<Stomp> Via concorde.
<Squeaky> I don't think they have the power sockets to plug an iMac in
<Stomp> I'm sure you can rig something
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<Stomp> Just run some wires between the socket and the prongs on the plug.
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<Stomp> And listen for "zot" sounds.
<Squeaky> Some very long wires that reach all the way back to NY?
<Squeaky> ones that can stand the strain of supersonic flight
<Stomp> Oh, on the plane.
<Stomp> You'll need to hook directly into the planes electrical systems.
<Squeaky> Ah.  OK.
<Squeaky> What they need is an iMac with a LCD display
<Stomp> Yeah!
<Balin> stomp have you reached emotional godliness?
<Stomp> I've seen a few desktop LCD displays now, but somebody should come out with a portable machine with an LCD sdisplay.
<Stomp> I was born a god.
<Squeaky> like the Apple Studio Display
<Squeaky> and they need to make the CD drive in the front hot swapable - like the powerbook devices
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<Squeaky> Now that really would be a cool idea.
<Stomp> I read a rumor about that somewhere.
<Balin> every time i break through some barrier of understanding, i feel good for a day.. or more
<Squeaky> If it could use the same devices as the G3 powerbooks.  It would make sense.
<Squeaky> And I doubt it would even add too much to the cost
<Balin> just wondering where you were at stomp, cos you seem so happy. atleast you are able to make people think that
<Squeaky> Stomp always makesus feel happy.
<Stomp> I'm actually quite depressed all the time.
<Squeaky> We're just happy that we're not Stomp.
<Stomp> On the verge of offing myself.
<Stomp> I lead a very sad, sullen existance devoid of pleasure of any kind.
<Balin> how romantic
<Stomp> The only thing that keeps me going is the chance that I might not live to see tomorrow.
<Balin> god damnit i hate irony
<Stomp> Me too.
<Balin> so is that it? 
<Balin> i wonder if its enough
<Balin> probably not.
<Stomp> That's pretty much a full description of my ecistance, if that's what you're wondering.
<Stomp> Except for the living with constant excruciating pain in all of my appendages.
<Balin> be happy by making other people happy.
<Balin> no. this is not good. i feel very empty
<Stomp> I can't move my legs, you know.
<Balin> i wonder where i'd be if i had never touched a computer in my life.
<Squeaky> Is there a reason for that?
<Stomp> People actually travel to my home from miles around to stand outside my bedroom window and jeer and throw rocks at me.
<Squeaky> In bed with some babe
<Balin> heh
<Balin> would i choose ignorance
<Balin> is a self executed labotomy my true dream
<Stomp> If I had never touched a computer I would be living in constant pain and sadness alone, without anybody to complain to.
<Stomp> Even though, by complaining, i'm compounding the pain in my extremeties.
<Squeaky> But you're in constant pain and sadness now
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<Squeaky> The only differences is that you can complain to us
<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Stomp> Nobody really understands me. I am so alone.
<Stomp> My only wish is that someone would find me and put me out of my misery, because I'm too weak of spirit and spineless to do it myself.
<Stomp> Why has God cursed me so? What did I do in the prelife to make him do this to me?
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<Stomp> Why must I be sad?
<Stomp> Don't cry for me. I'm beyond help.
* Sniperman looks at the topic and laughs
<Stomp> Feeling better, Balin?
<Balin> confused, but yes, a little
<Sniperman> what's up Max?
<Balin> talking about it always helps
<Stomp> Well fine. I'm going to go read.
<Squeaky> When I go to SF in Jan, I'll make a special trip out to kill you.
* Stomp runs off
<Balin> nothin snipe
<Sniperman> sounds like more than nothing...
<Balin> stomp, do you really feel that way or are you just manipulating my emotions because you know me so well?
<Stomp> You actually think I lead a life of quiet desperation?
<Balin> no, but i don't havea clue how you keep it all together 100% of the time
<Stomp> I know the secret of life.
<Balin> let me guess, its has to be experienced, it can't be communicated.
<Stomp> No, it can be communicated, even via IRC, perfectly well, I just won't tell you, because I don't like you.
<Squeaky> If it was communicated, it would no longer be the secret of life
<Balin> yeah stomp.
<Balin> so why does this bother me?
<Balin> stomp what do you see when you think of me? of my emotional state?
<Stomp> Because you enjoy it.
<Stomp> You like to be unhapy.
<Stomp> You sick, sick little monkey.
<Balin> um
<Balin> i like to know why i am unhappy,. i don't like bein gunhappy
<Balin> woops. 
<Stomp> So, why are you unhappy?
<Balin> because i am a pathetic human who can't hack not getting what he wants.
<Balin> because the truth is i am a selfish human.
<Stomp> There, now you know.
<Sniperman> spoiled?
<Stomp> Next step: Cope.
<Sniperman> agreed, stomp
<Balin> woah fuck.
<rolend> Wooop Woop Woop Woooop!
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<rolend> Ze secret of life... find something that'll make you content.
* Balin lets the happiness smother him
<rolend> Until then, life is hell: )
<Stomp> Life isn't hell. Life is life.
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<Stomp> Do something.
<Stomp> Even if doing something is doing nothing.
<Stomp> Do it.
<Stomp> And then shaddup.
<rolend> Yeah, but you can do something and not enjoy doing it
<rolend> Damnit you!
<rolend> YOU WANTED ME TO PREACH
<rolend> I'M GONNA PREACH MUTHA FUCKA
<Balin> so mr stomp. everyone here understands this, i'm the clueless fusker who can't hack it?
<Stomp> How the hell should I know?
<Balin> interesting.
<rolend> Personally, what really satisfies me.
<rolend> Taking a real big dump.
<Balin> its a logical progression of questioning
<rolend> Not when you're tired, not when you're hyper.
<Balin> maybe i should think a little more before asking though
<rolend> Just... Grab a bottle of exlax, eat some beef, down some milk if your lactose intolerant
<rolend> Whatever you need.
<Stomp> Ah yes, bowel movements.
<rolend> Grab it, take it down, grab your pants and head to the toilet.
<rolend> OOH! I should try taking a dump while listening to music.
<Stomp> I do quite enjoy them.
<rolend> That'd be cool...
<rolend> I'm in an absolutely funky mood.
<rolend> I mean.. enya, and taking a dump.
<rolend> Then you switch to something like...
<rolend> ummm... I dunno, something aggressive... Atari teenage riot.
<rolend> With enya, you'd get a big huge runny dump.... Which, would be ok if you're into that type of shit.
<rolend> ATR... You'd get like, tons of the little pellets.
<Stomp> I like to save my feces up for a month or so and then let it all out in one enormous bowel-lurching anus-ripping toilet-clogging mass.
<rolend> They'd splatter to.
<rolend> I prefer the daily shit.
<rolend> If I saved up for a month. It'd be like a freight train heading from hell outta my ass.
<Stomp> I don't produce enough feces to excrete daily.
<rolend> It'd be one of those toilet water emptying ones.
<rolend> Eat more beef.
<rolend> Ugh.... why the hell did I download Intergalaktik.
<Stomp> Besides, I don't want to take some pansy-assed little dumps, I want to blow my bowels with some arm-sized dung logs.
<rolend> intergalaktic.. Intergalactic... Intergalactik..
<rolend> Ahhhh, I like pansy assed little dumps.. I find them relaxing.
<rolend> The arm sized ones... my hole just can't handle those...
<rolend> Those are the ones that happen to me when I'm tired, I really gotta take a shit and I don't feel like shoving..
<Stomp> If your legs are shaking, you're sweating, and you have to catch your breath for a minute afterwards, you're doing it right.
<rolend> Normally I like th relaxed style of just letting things come as they come.
<rolend> Noo no no no no no no.
<Stomp> A bowel movement should be like a really great orgasm.
<rolend> That's not right at all...
<rolend> I like it when you sweat a little... But not leg shakingly.
<rolend> When you come out and you're feeling nice and refreshed... That's how I like it, not a forced relax.
<rolend> Cause then my hole feels funny.
<Stomp> All that built-up tension, then you let it out and you're light as a feather. Devoid of confusion. Clear. Everything comes into focus.
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<rolend> Hrmm...
<rolend> I havn't had a forced shit lately.
<rolend> I think I'll have to try that sometime soon again.. Just to make sure it's not any different then what I remember.
<Stomp> You just sit there on the toilet with your eyes closed and think about how free you feel.
<Balin> rolend, i squeezed the biggest fucker out sideways teh other day. in my mind i was thinking how ass rape would feel like a tickel.
<Stomp> Some pain helps to focus your thoughts, but it's absolutely neccessary.
<Stomp> Er, not.
<Balin> ok ok
<Balin> it hurt. i exagerated.
<rolend> Lately it's just been the nice, sit on the toilet.. Relax, let your muscles down there loosen up... Then push a little to get things going.
<rolend> Pretty soon it just all slides out.
<rolend> alright.. That's it... now I've eaten to many chips.. I gotta go ummm, yeah.
<rolend> exactly
<Stomp> Just sit, doubled over, and listen to yourself breath.
<rolend> Jerkin off?
<rolend> Unless you've jerked off 4-5 times already it shouldn't be hurting.
<rolend> You gotta keep it loose man.
<rolend> Your dick's a sensitive thing man.
<rolend> Keep it loose..
<Balin> 4-5 times? you'r a fucken machine
<rolend> Just put your thumb and your pointer finger together at the tips.
<rolend> Hey, I don't jerk off 4-5 times in a row man.
<rolend> I'm not into that... I tried it once and I started spittin blood
<rolend> erk
<rolend> Nevermind.
<rolend> Anyways, just keep it loose... make sure he's nice and dry to.
<Troll> ew
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<rolend> And you just go up and down, up and down. Nice and loose, you might want to try tightening when you get to the ring on him.
<rolend> Cause that parts.. super sensitive.
<Stomp> How do you prefer your B.M.s, Troll?
<Balin> rolend, you are telling me how to masterbate.,
<rolend> And if you want... Take some chopsticks.. And play around with your arsehole.
<rolend> Damn I'm in a fucked up mood.
<rolend> I think I realized that...
<Troll> B.M.s ?
<Stomp> That's masturbate.
<Stomp> Bowel Movements.
<rolend> Another thing... take the very tip tip tip of one of your fingers and very very VERY lightly stroke the bottom part of him...
<Troll> I don't have them, I'm not human.
<Balin> there is alt.sex.masterbation , i think therefor both can now be accepted spellings
<rolend> That's extremely pleaseing.. Although it almost tickles.. So, well, it's sorta annoying after a bit.
<Stomp> There are far fewer postings in that group, because it's wrong.
<rolend> And if you have any honey... and if you can bend over that far.
<rolend> yumm.
<rolend> oh
<rolend> woops.
<Stomp> Rolend's been reading the literature.
<rolend> That'd be fun... to suck a guy's dick with honey on it.
<rolend> woops.
<Balin> i admire a man that can pleasure himself orally
<rolend> wheeeee
<Balin> man i am having some fucked up lag
<rolend> Damnit.. I got dressed up and had makeup put on me today ok.. I have an excuse.
<Stomp> Anyway, Masterbation is an acceptable spelling like beastiality is.
<Stomp> It's wrong.
<Troll> Yep.
<rolend> The one thing is.. If you whip out one of those Big K 3 litre bottles of pop.
<rolend> An empty one, and lube it, then start jerkin off with that.
<Stomp> It would form a vacuum...
<Stomp> As long as you are properly proportioned.
<Stomp> What kind of bottle is this?
<Stomp> Most bottle necks are too slmall.
<Troll> yeah
<Stomp> Even the larger ones, like Snapple.
<Stomp> Rolend, you're not masturbating with a bottle now, are you?
<Stomp> Hmm.
<Stomp> Cut it out for a second and answer my question.
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<Stomp> Uh oh.
<Stomp> Damn that peer.
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<Balin> :)
<rolend> And the best thing.... Take saran wrap.. Add honey... and well, go rub away... That's fun as hell, just don't let it get dry, otherwise it hurts like a bitch.
<rolend> ho uh
<rolend> Dressing up in drag is fun...
<rolend> Next time I need tights or nylons or something though.
<Stomp> What kind of bottle is this that you were talking about?
<rolend> The 3litre Big K ones.
<rolend> With the big holes..
<Stomp> No idea what you're talking about.
<rolend> The 2litre ones are to small, you'll definetly get stuck in those.
<Stomp> Are they bigger than Snapple bottles?
<rolend> liter, litre..
<rolend> Hrmmm.... Probably around the same size
<Stomp> See, snapple bottles are too small for me.
<rolend> Maybe a little smaller, if I'm thinking correctly.
<rolend> Damn man..
<rolend> Sucks to be that big.. Ya got problems like that.
<rolend> lack of the correct tools.
<Balin> i need atleast a 2 inch girth
<rolend> Sizes that big are hard to find.
<Balin> no fun
<Stomp> And they don't give at all.
<Stomp> I mean, hard plastic, gah!
<Stomp> Inches? What are you doing using inches?
<rolend> yeah, that is true.. but if you lube it correctly..
<Balin> stomp, how come i never heard of this selfish psychosis thing before
<rolend> Ooh that'd be SO FUCKING cruel.
<Stomp> How the hell should I know?
<rolend> Get like, a small ring, put it on some sleeping guy.
<Stomp> What's selfish psychosis?
<rolend> On his dick, all the way down on the bottom.
<Balin> i dunno i just made it up
<rolend> Then turn him the fuck on.
<rolend> CHRIST THat'd be so fucking cruel.
<rolend> Damnit... I'm going to do that.
<rolend> I'm gonna go knock some guy out, put a ring around his limp dick, and turn him on.
<Balin> how come i have never heard of my personality problems before
<rolend> Wheeee;)
<rolend> Or tape.. That'd hurt like a bitch to.
<Balin> i haven't measured in atleast a year. i should refresh my memory
<Stomp> Done tape.
<rolend> Tape.. damn, ow.. pain.
<rolend> I need a glow in the dark condom.
<rolend> So I can pretend my dick's a lightsaber.
<Balin> rolend you sound litke horny guy.
<rolend> Be like luke "vooo, voooob, vooooooo".... running around at 3:00am.
<rolend> I'm just in like,a really fucked up mood tonight;)
<rolend> I had an incredibly great fucking night, (No I didn't get laid, so shu'p)... I dressed up in drag, got make up put all over me..
<rolend> It's been great, and school starts tomorrow;)
<Troll> what caused this?
<rolend> Ummmm, ummmm....
<Troll> you like drag?
<rolend> I don't mind it.
<rolend> I've never been really into it.
<Nosty> Sounds neat Rolend.
<rolend> But me and my friend dressed up tonight, got covered in makeup, went around walking through a neighborhood. We were going to go into this middle school that was having a Hugeass parent-teacher meeting with all the teachers and parents at the same time.
<rolend> But we missed it
<rolend> To late to late.. That would have been so great;)
<Nosty> It's a really interesting way to view yourself.
<Stomp> I don't understand aversions to dressing in drag.
<Nosty> Hell, I'm even astonished how different I appear in makeup.
<rolend> It's funky;) It's really wierd to see what a friend looks like dressed up as the opposite sex, but cool
<Stomp> I mean, you'd have to be really insecure about your manliness to object.
<rolend> You just named 95% of the males in America stomp;)
* Nosty looks down.
<sno> play
<Nosty> I wore guys clothes today.  Except for the undergarments and the socks.
* rolend licks sno's ear
<Stomp> Watch out, he's feeling randy.
<Troll> heh
<rolend> That's the funky thing... it seems like it's such a 'bigger' thing for a guy to dress up as a female, then vice versa..
<Stomp> See, women can wear all manner of mens clothes and nobody thinks twice.
<rolend> Maybe it's just sump'm funky wif mah brain... and how I view it...
<rolend> I guess not.
<Nosty> Nobody stared at me or called me queer.
<Squeaky> It's illegal in some countries for men to wear womens clothes though
<rolend> Blech.. that's icky
<Balin> its because inside every woman is a man wantint to get out.
<Stomp> I mean, I wouldn't go to a bar trying to pick up guys, but what's wrong with drag?
<Stomp> Well, not really picking up.
<rolend> Halloween's going to be fun as hell this year.. I've decided to go as a slut..
<rolend> My goal will not to get candy, but to hit on a guy and have him hit on me back.
<Nosty> Sexual identity is totally different from sexual preference anyway.
<Balin> inside every chink is an american trying to get out
<Nosty> If you dress in drag, you should still pick up wimmin if they are what you are into.
<Troll> heh balin
<rolend> I'm more into wimmin the min... but I think I'd almost consider myself bi-curious.. or whatever that fun term is.
<rolend> er, then, not the
<Nosty> It's also thrilling to play an act.
<rolend> It was quite odd, my g/f said to me today that she didn't mind me checking out guys, but not girls... I don't check out either seriously.. But it's fun to comment on guys
<Balin> you think i'm jerkin your fucken balls troll? you probably wouldn't have the decency to give someone a reach a round while you fucked them up the ass
<rolend> Especially in conservative areas... Not to say I've got anything personal with the conservatives around here.. It's just fun..
<rolend> Hrmmm, getting someone up the ass... That's a scary idea to me...
<Troll> ok sarget.
<Nosty> I've put makeup on Nerd.
<Troll> -t
<rolend> ooh. pain... for both people.
<rolend> Spiffy spiff;)
<Nosty> It was really an interesting experience.
<Balin> yeah. i liked that movie.
<Troll> heh
<Balin> you should have asked me what my major malfunction was.
<rolend> Full Metal Jacket?
<Troll> "Holey FUCK PILES!
<Troll> "
<Nosty> Nothing wrong with just sticking to blow jobs with men.  Or just kissing and feeling them up.
<rolend> WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION!?
<Troll> "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS PILES?!"
<rolend> Feeling guys up if fun fun fun... Only done it once, but it definetly is fun.
<Troll> "a jelly donut"
<Troll> "JESUS H CHRIST PILES!"
<Balin> i flinch when guys feel me up
<Balin> i can't help it
<Troll> heh
<rolend> James just looked at me wierd....
<rolend> Colin kicked me in my balls.
<Nosty> Or just going to clubs and dancing with them.  You press really close together and it's nice.
<Troll> James?
<rolend> That wasn't nice at all of him
<Balin> rolend, you actually grasps their organs?
<rolend> Friend in real life;)
<rolend> not James james here james or anything
<rolend> Balin, once, well, from the outside
<Nosty> It's fun Balin.
<rolend> I didn't go down his pants... Someday maybe, but not yet
* Troll is a women man himself.
<Balin> hey, i wouldn't mind a girl doing it.
<Troll> 100% pure lesbian
<Nosty> King lesbian!
<rolend> hehehe
<rolend> I'm a lesbian trapped inside a man's body.
<Troll> I am too
<Nosty> If the other guy doesn't mind, why not?
<rolend> Some guy's mind.. unfortunatly.
<Troll> I need hot lesbians.
<Nosty> Well, not if you go to say a gay club.
<rolend> It's just a peice of meat!
<Balin> it just seems a little perverse. intentions would not be clear to them
<rolend> God I love ummm.. damnit.. I just forgot the movies name.
<rolend> The Crying Game!
<Nosty> Then I must be a pervert.
<Nosty> I've done that to men.
<rolend> I'm a pervert! I'm a pervert! I'm a damn sick bastard.
<rolend> I just usually don't voice it..When I do though.. fun fun fun.
<Nosty> No ice cream for you Rolend!
<Nosty> You go straight to bed.
<rolend> hmmmmmmmmph...
<rolend> I can't goto bed... I need to get up in 2 hours to goto school
<Nosty> Heh :)
<Balin> stomp, when you asked my was i found happiness in being unhappy... and i replied about the selfish thing, did you have that in mind or were you just agreeing with my self analysis?  ie did you already know it?
<Nosty> What did you wear Rolend?
<rolend> Luckily it's just orientation. So it only lasts till 11:30...
<rolend> Tonight? Ummmm, tons of makeup, and a really wierd blue dress thing.
<Nosty> Did you wear a bra?
<rolend> But I had my pants on because the dress didn't go all the way down.. That's why i needed nylons or tights.
<rolend> Nope;(
<Nosty> Or a wig?
<rolend> Didn't have any wigs... Looked for some but couldn't find any
<rolend> But I wore a really big wierd funky hat.
<Nosty> You know, Victoria's Secret is friendly for cross dressers.
<rolend> That thing scared me.. and made my head itch..
<Nosty> They'll let you try on bras and measure you.
<rolend> Very funky... I should go someday.
<rolend> I'd have to drag another guy or my g/f with me though.
<Nosty> You can also wear tap panties or boxers under dresses that are short or sheer.
<rolend> Definetly have to wear a bra for halloween..
<rolend> Gotta get nylons or tights.. And some nasty plastic red skirt.
<Nosty> Rolend, if you want, you can measure yourself.  You measure around the rib cage under the breast.  Take the measurement and add 5.
* rolend wonders upstairs real quick, be right back
<Nosty> If you come up with an odd number, say a 35, you get a 36 bra.
<Squeaky> I wonder what cup size he is
<Nosty> He's an A cup.
<Nosty> He probably is more like AAA or AA, but Victoria's Secret only goes down to A.
<Squeaky> unless something strange is going on
<Nosty> But you get a padded bra.
<Squeaky> Or he's really overweight
<Troll> god damn I'm bored
<Nosty> Rolend is probably a 38 bra if he's a guy.  If he's got a large rib cage, it's probably a 40.
<Nosty> I've never seen a guy below a 36.
<Nosty> Troll, how is the hair?
<rolend> now let's see here.
<Nosty> Rolend, read back :)
<Troll> hair is lookin' fucking awesome
<Nosty> Is it white white?
<Troll> no, no
<Troll> you'
<Troll> 'll see
<Nosty> Sounds good.
<rolend> ahhh, cool.
<Nosty> You know Troll, you could be a woman for halloween.
<Nosty> Your hair is long enough to curl.
* Squeaky was a 40 if I remember rightly
<rolend> be almost 37 I think
<Troll> heh
<rolend> So do I round down or up?
<Squeaky> It's been a while though ;-)
<Troll> I don't think I'll be curling my hair.
<Nosty> Rolend, you go up.
<Nosty> I'm a 33, therefore I get a 34 bra.
<Troll> this bagel is nasty as ass.
<Squeaky> what you need to do is find a girlfriend thats the same size as you
<rolend> Ooooh, I'm a 38....
<Nosty> The back comes with three places to put the hooks in normally.
<Squeaky> then you can just borrow each others clothes
<Nosty> I guess well :)
<Nosty> you'll just put the hooks in the furthest eye from the end.
<rolend> hehehe
<rolend> I'm a 140 pound wannabe chick with a 38 bra size...
<Nosty> 38A.
<rolend> hehehehhee
<rolend> Hrmph...
<Troll> heh
<rolend> I'm not that flat damnit!
<Nosty> Get a padded bra.
<rolend> I've got breasts! Shutup!
<rolend> ok.. well.. so I'm lacking.
<Nosty> Rolend, probably no bigger than an A.  Except in really fat fat men, I've never measured higher than an A.
<rolend> And I've got super teensy nipples.. That'd be neat if they were teeny, but got larger when hard.
<rolend> But noooo... just teensy nipples..
<rolend> Hrmmmm, boohiss.
<Nosty> If you get a rather padded bra, it will knock you up to a B.
<Nosty> B cups are a nice handful.
<rolend> I wonder if their's any cheap way to get a natural bounce going.
* rolend grabs the jello bowl, some ziplock baggies, and a bra
<Nosty> Not really.  Fredericks has a bra out that you can fill with water now.
<Balin> stomp, what i mean is, were you guiding me to that answer
<Troll> heh
<Squeaky> get yourself on the pill - that will increase your cup size
<Nosty> But I'm skeptical.
<Squeaky> and you won't get pregnant either ;-)
<rolend> Woah... wierd.
<rolend> Water doesn't bounce like breasts though, I'd imagine.
<Nosty> The best way is the silicone breasts worn externally.
<rolend> I mean... Like, water's jiggily.. but not bouncy.
<Nosty> But those are like $160.
<rolend> ouch.
<rolend> hehehe
<Balin> man
<rolend> I think I'll just stick to a regular padded bra stuffed with socks or something.
<Nosty> Yeah, they do not come cheap.
<Balin> walking around with a padded bra would be funny
<Nosty> No, toilet paper.
<rolend> I should stuff my crotch to... Now that would be wierd as hell looking.
<Nosty> Wear a strap on.
<rolend> hehehehheheheh
<Nosty> Actually, go to a clothstore, or just Walmart.  They have polyester fiberfil in the craft areas.  It's for stuffing pillows and animals.
<Nosty> That is the best substance to stuff with.
<Balin> if i was female, i would be a freak to the extreme. i wonder how tall i'd be.
<rolend> polyester filberfill?
<Nosty> Yes Rolend.
<rolend> Wuzzat?;)
<Nosty> It's around $5 a bag.
<rolend> Cool
<Nosty> You'll see it.  Ask somebody.  I know Walmart carries it in the sewing crafts area.
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<rolend> Most of the clothes I can most likely borrow. Might have to buy my own bra though.. But that'd be fine./
<rolend> Got a couple wigs laying around the house to... Old moth ball smelly wigs
<Nosty> You don't want mongo huge tits anyway.  You'll never pass as a woman that way.
<rolend> hehhehehe..
<Nosty> Go for a nice handful.
<Nosty> Exaggerated breasts I think are a mistake to try as a male.
<Balin> some girls at uni are so out there you have to winder
<Balin> wonder
<Balin> but what can they do if they are real
<Nosty> Breast implants are on the rise.  Teenage girls are the fastest growing group going for plastic surgery.
<Nosty> I can spot the fake ones.
<Balin> eh.. wearing tight small t shirts only exagerates
<Troll> bullshit
<Troll> nosty
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
<Nosty> Troll, when some are my size and have huge ones, they are usually fake.
<Nosty> I've even asked.
<Nosty> I have yet to feel them.  I should perhaps ask once.
<Troll> heh
<Nosty> Despite the warnings and everything else, the amount of women getting them is increasing.
<Nosty> It's sick when parents have their 14 year old get a nose job during the summer.
<rolend> Wheee, stamp it, package it, roll it on out.
<Squeaky> not in front of other women, but I'm sure men would fgall for it
<Squeaky> They'd be too busy looking at them to realise he's got a male face
<Troll> haha
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<Nosty> Rolend, also don't wear too much makeup.
<Troll> "it's a man, baby!"
<Nosty> Don't forget to blend the foundation around the jaw line as well.
<rolend> Yeah
<rolend> Hehe, I won't be doing the makeup, unless I start getting really into drag or something I'm not going to worry to much about that. I have a couple friends that'll be willing to do that for me
<Nosty> Try false eyelashes.  They are fun.
<rolend> I've got really big eyelashes as is
<Nosty> Most men do.
<rolend> Funky... I don't think I ever realized that.
<Nosty> Funny how women try so darn hard to lengthen theirs.
<Troll> heh
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<Nosty> Gotta wear tigher undies Troll.  When you tuck dollar bills in boxers, they just fall out the leg :)
<Nosty> Bath time.
<Balin> eyelashes don't grow back
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<Shebob> Hi Balin
<Balin> hi shebob
<Balin> want to here 'her' reaction to the flowers?
<Balin> hear
<Shebob> yes. I do.
<Balin> ????????????WHAT?????!!!!!!!!!!
<Shebob> well, you got a reaction. :)
<Balin> i then told her irl what they were, and she replied saying '
<Squeaky> We all do
<Shebob> Squeaky!
<Balin> ahh, i can't remmeber it exactly. something like i don't get this email thing'
<Balin> but i'm sure there was a fuck in there somewhere
<Squeaky> Sheeebob!
* Shebob sent Squeaky email roses once.
<Squeaky> So the email had the disired effect?
<Squeaky> desired too
<Squeaky> You did?
<Balin> and she wasn't too pleased. thought i think itthat weas because of the way i said it
* Squeaky checks his mailbox
<Shebob> was a long time ago Squeaky.
<Balin> i think i gave the impression i found it funny she didn't undertsand they were flowers
<Balin> as in, i am superior to you
<Balin> yay.
<Squeaky> must check it quick though because my battery is running out
<Shebob> Well, ascii art is an aquired taste
<Balin> i get so wrapped up about not getting rejected, to avoid it , i make myself arrogent and careless
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<Shebob> Also, if she has some funny font for email, they may not have looked much like roses.
<Balin> true
<Balin> :sigh:
<rolend> muhahahahahahaha.
<Shebob> Well, you can always say it was my idea.
<rolend> "I understand that in 1930, ALL Christian denominations stood head and shoulders with the Catholic Church in condemning birth control. Where are they today?"
<Shebob> that was a fast bath.
<Balin> the roses were not a problem
<rolend> Some people sure are dense.
* Shebob thinks that Squeaky can check his email now.
<Balin> it was a nice idea shebob
<Balin> thankyou.
<Shebob> Well, I spend so much of my life here on the web, I forget there are people who would not have figured out those things were roses.
* Squeaky 's powerbook is slowly dieinbg
<Squeaky> the ac adapter seems to be broken.  It's not charging ;-(
<Shebob> Oh poor Squeaky.
<Squeaky> Hmm, I wonder how you open these things up.  No screws on it
<Balin> showi t you care, squeaky
* Shebob email's Squeaky a new G3 power book.
* Shebob giggles.
* Shebob giggles some more.
<Squeaky> I'm gonna buy one of those new powerbooks for christmas
<Squeaky> Except, it'll have to wait until early January.  It will still be a christmas present though
<Shebob> could be a birthday present.
<Shebob> my mac is working quite well. So far no problems.
<Shebob> However about all I have done is play 
<Shebob> Quake
<Squeaky> Yep, combined birthday/christmas.  I'll buy it exactly halfway inbetween
<Shebob> good idea.
<Shebob> Has Stomp gone to bed?
<Shebob> It isn't even 3 yet.
<Squeaky> You'll be able to play Unreal soon
<Squeaky> (if you have 90+MB of RAM)
<Shebob> I have 160.
<Balin> unreal runs nicely on my machine
<Squeaky> He didn't say he was leaving.  Just stopped talking
<Shebob> Did it get released?
<sno> Hm.
<Balin> no, should be on store shelves this week.
<Shebob> Hi Sno.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Balin> imo it runs about as fast as quake
<Shebob> my *&_%%$ web pages are still down. has been about 30 hours.
<Shebob> what computer do you have Balin?
<Balin> ie on my g3 266 640x480 its just a little too slow to run at
<Balin> but
<Balin> unreal has more screen resolutions to choose from
<Balin> so you don't have to go down to 320x240 pixel doubled to get a smooth game
<Balin> i run at 832x624 line skipped
<Balin> which is full screen
<Balin> and smooth
<Shebob> I have a g3/266 upgrade card in mine so it should run about the same.
<Shebob> cyberian outpost doesn't say will be released. it is just listed as a product.
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<sno> I cored AfterStep's Wharf by reading it's manfile.
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<sno> Actually, xload was running in it and cored and took it down with it, just as I started reading the man file.
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* Shebob needs to go to sleep.
<Shebob> nite guys, or morning, or afternoon.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Nosty> Hey all.
* sno yawns.
<Nosty> Hey Sno.  Going off to bed shortly?
<sno> Uh.
<sno> Squeaky?
<sno> What do you have your IRC session doing?
<sno> Um. No, I wasn't planning to go offline any time soon.
<sno> Should I be?
<Nosty> I was curious.  You were yawning.
<sno> I'm tired.
<sno> Still coding though.
<sno> And falling in love with AfterStep.
<Nosty> I've been reading all hours of the night.
<Nosty> A gui for bsd?
<sno> Yeah.
<sno> It's nice.
<sno> It just does everything the way I want to do it by default.
<Nosty> Slick.  I'll have to play the next time I'm over.
<Nosty> Oh, you had that up today.
<Nosty> I noticed that.
<sno> No.
<sno> That was WindowMaker.
<Nosty> Oh.
<Nosty> The look is strikingly similar.
<sno> That's not bad by any means, but it draws heavily on AfterStep, and AfterStep just feels nicer to me when I start it up.
<sno> And it does most things the way I'd do them be default.
<sno> I just start pushing buttons and I get the result I expect.
<sno> There's a lot to be said for that.
<Troll> it makes him horny.
<Nosty> I'm sure it does.
<Nosty> Nerd said tonight that he finds it cool that I get off on geek stuff.
<sno> Weenie Boy is booting into Windows NT 5 so he can watch it boot straight back into the state it powered off in.
<Nosty> But blue screens are so erotic!
<sno> This is indeed really cool.
<Troll> ha HA!
<Nosty> You'll have to let me play next time I'm over.
<Troll> I had my machine off for 10 seconds that time.
<sno> It dumps the contents of RAM out to disk and restores them.
<sno> It's like it was never turned off.
<sno> It's really quite impressive.
<Troll> "so fucking awesome"
<sno> It would be a really good feature for a laptop.
<Troll> yeah
<Nosty> I bet.  Like my future libretto or digitial slim notebook.
<sno> It's probably also got its usefulness for fault tolerance in power outages.
<Troll> what is IRC's ping timeout set to?
<sno> It's not anything real specific I don't think.
<Nosty> Or sleep :)
<Troll> hmm
<sno> It varies from server to server.
<Troll> 30 seconds this time
<sno> And I've found that if you try to interact with something you know to be dad, it will go away.
* sno decieds to ping Troll while he's down.
<sno> Come on....
<Nosty> Troll always goes down; like the cheap whore he is.
<sno> Come on....
<sno> I'm going to be really amazed if I didn't sever it.
* Nosty feeds Sno a cookie.
<Troll> BACK!
<Troll> hahaha!
<sno> Damn.
<Troll> NICE!
<Troll> bwahahaha
<sno> "Little lagged, but uh..."
* Nosty hands Troll a summer sausage.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> this rox
<Nosty> You need to come over and play with our black box.
<Troll> ooo the NeXT machine?
<Nosty> Yep.
<Troll> heh
* sno goes to look in the mirror and spooge over his hair.
<Troll> I need to go to bed, gotta get up in 4 hours.
<Nosty> Ack, how evil.
<sno> Look in the mirror first.
<Troll> possibly hit the mirror myself on my way to sleep.
<Troll> yep
<sno> heheheh
<Nosty> Sno, did you bleach your hair?
<Troll> heheh
<sno> Nope.
* Troll has left his console. Agent: sleeping
<sno> I fixed it.
<Nosty> I hope you aren't planning on becoming a smoothie anytime soon.
<sno> My hair was not operating properly.
<sno> I'm already smooth.
<Nosty> I'm referring to the chest shaving.
<Nosty> You are smoove :)
<sno> Mmmmmm.
<sno> We should have never let people stop making amber monitors.
<sno> This is such a nice and  easy on the eyes color.
<Nosty> I never liked the amber monitors.  I felt it bothered my eyes more.
<sno> You suck.
<Nosty> I do indeed.
<sno> The tinting of the green ones was good too,  but I can't seem to ever get it just right on my systems.
<Nosty> I like green.
<sno> I  always wind up being unhappy with it.
<sno> But amber an black.
<sno> mmmm.
<Nosty> Lately I like this pale blue psycho term has dished out.
<sno> I also have a nice light green on dark grey.
<Nosty> I hate white backgrounds.
<Nosty> I don't know why all terminals default to that.
* sno goes to sleep staring at xearth.
<Nosty> Oh, you have that up?  I thought that was kinda neat.
<Nosty> G'night Sno.
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<imac_> ha i knew it!
<Balin> stomp, the more i think about the diagnosis the more it makes sense.
<Balin> i'm waiting to come down from this high so i can think rationally about my situation as it now stands.
<Nosty> Balin, have you ever considered that such cycles are just natural?
<Nosty> Ups and downs are normal.  As long at it isn't interfering with you being productive.
<Balin> ofcourse nosty
<Balin> it interfers with me being productive.
<Balin> abut, i am much better than i have been
<Balin> since the weed induced toxic psychosis, i have only cried once.
<Balin> which is marked improvement on the 3 - 4 times  aweek it was at beforehand
<Balin> talking about it always helps, and without talking, i wouldn't be here where i am now.
<Balin> my first problem was believing my depression was normal.
<Balin> as soon as i realised it wasn't, it sent me on this journey.
<Nosty> Balin, do you really think weed did this?
<Balin> the weed amplified and *distorted certain feelings within me
<Balin> it didn't cause this, but it did help me realise there aws something wrong
<Nosty> I can't imagine crying 3-4 times a week.
<Balin> yep. insomnia too
<Balin> usually combined
<Nosty> That is depression.
<Balin> yes, and its not normal, its not normal, you don't need to put up with it
<Nosty> I believe that stages of depression is normal.  Everybody goes through it.  Long term depression isn't good.
<Balin> oh, everyone gets depressed, you couldn't possibly be different could you, you are not really that nievely arrogent are you?
<Balin> fuck that, yes.
<Nosty> It seems that many doctors want you to pop prozac at the first sign of any depression.
<Balin> yeah nosty, when you realise the depression of today is just clouding the depression of yesterday, and you are living with nothing, it hurts bad
<Nosty> It really doesn't work that way.
<Balin> i know. but thats how a little kid feels
<Balin> atelast i did
<Nosty> Balin, you have things.
<Balin> sorry?
<Nosty> Well did you feel that you were living with nothing?
<Balin> at the fucking pit i was in before i smoked weed on the 13th of august and had the weird effects.
<Nosty> Have you yet to see a counselor?
<Balin> nope. i have talks with various friends and siblings though
<Balin> very selectively
<Nosty> Whatever you think will help.
<Balin> i knew i had to communicate
<Squeaky> ..... and with the helpfull #Marathon kr00
<Balin> i couldn't trust a councellor
<Nosty> It's difficult to find a good one.
<Balin> yeah, and in #oni, onfortunatly apart from getting some bad advise that didn't work out
<Nosty> I've been reading a great deal.
<Balin> nosty, i do have a close friend who's dad's a psychiatrist, but he's out of town for a while
<Balin> i might chat to him when he gets back
<Balin> unless he doesn't want to
<Balin> being a friend, in a way
<Balin> lately nosty?
<Nosty> Yeah Balin.
<Balin> what sort of things?
<Nosty> Well sexual of course.
<Nosty> And feminist.
<Balin> heh
<Balin> :)
<Nosty> One thing I have found is when you are in a long term relationship, how people want to place standards on your behavior that they'd place on their mate.
<Nosty> Part of it is age and gender I believe.
<Nosty> Somehow take out any loose behavior that you have.
<Balin> social norms
<Balin> sounds intertwined
<Nosty> I didn't ask for social confinement.
<Nosty> I'm also getting homesick as a result.
<Balin> ofcourse. exactly why i look for someone that is as much like me as possible
<Balin> an understnading
<Nosty> It's the one place in the world where people don't do a double take or tell me I'm inappropriate.
<Balin> you feel socially confined by nerd?
<Nosty> It isn't Nerd.
<Nosty> It's that I have Nerd.
<Balin> ah
<Nosty> That I act too sexual now.  I shouldn't flirt.  It seems that the statement is that I should give up passion because I have a husband.
<Nosty> If I extinguish my passion, it gets extinguished for Nerd too.
<Balin> social norms. fuck them
<Nosty> I just don't feel like being labeled as a deviant or a pervert.
<Nosty> I don't think what I do is that bad.
<Nosty> Seems like I should go become Donna Reed.
<Balin> hmm
<Nosty> There are so many things I figured were normal.
<Balin> specifically, who labels you?
<Nosty> Those who I spend sometime with.
<Nosty> Or just various looks.
<Balin> i guess from their perspective they might tire from the flirting with the knowledge its going no where
<Balin> especially if they do not have partners
<Nosty> Or that it might go somewhere.
<Nosty> Oh, I won't flirt with those who don't want it.
<Nosty> But someone who is total third party.
<Balin> they want you to flirt, then they label you a deviant?
<Nosty> No, I'll flirt with some guy.  Randomly.  A female acquaintance will tell me to behave.
<Balin> ooh
<Nosty> Nerd is aware of it.
<Nosty> So I don't feel like I'm hiding anything, nor trying to offend him.
<Balin> from my very distant viewing perspective i could only see that being some form of jealousy
<Nosty> I think it's a result of their insecurity.
<Balin> yeah
<Balin> i am very hesitant to make any judgements considering who i am
<Nosty> When I'm at college, I'll sit down randomly with someone at lunch.  The tables are just packed.
<Balin> nosty, people that can do that kick ass.
<Balin> but maybe the grass is greener
<Nosty> I'll talk and the whole bit.  Sometimes I get asked out.  I tell them it's flattering, and I'm married.  However, I don't mind coffee, but that is it.
<Balin> hmm
<Balin> i see
<Balin> woah, brain overload
<Nosty> I think I'm rather responsible.
<Nosty> The look of, "I'm in trouble" is perplexing to me.
<Balin> if a girl sits next to me, i know i can't help but feel they have an interest of some sort in me
<Nosty> Well why not?
<Balin> i developed a strong relationship with a girl at uni, to find she had a boyfriend
<Balin> she startedthe communication
<Nosty> Besides, when I was single, it wasn't like I accepted every chance at sex or a date.
<Balin> i guess i just need to get a grip on having female friends you don't fuck
<Balin> and she does flirt with me
<Balin> constantly
<Nosty> It's so much fun.
<Nosty> What does it hurt?
<Balin> damnit yeah, i lap it up
<Balin> it hurts me getting action elsewhere
<Nosty> It boosts your self confidence a bit I hope.
<Balin> when other girls see us together
<Balin> oh yes, she has helped my confidence greatly
<Balin> almost liek a first love.
<Nosty> Nerd tells me he loves me, and he tells me I'm beautiful.  It's nice hearing it from other sources.
<Nosty> It's Nerd's obligation to make me happy.
<Balin> if i developed a relationship with a girl at uni, it would be incredibly awkward
<Balin> we woul dhave to have a hands off policy on campus
<Nosty> Why?
<Balin> because we'd be the talk 
<Nosty> How small is the school?
<Balin> maybe we shouldn';t care
<Balin> 100 students
<Balin> in our year that is
<Nosty> Wow.
<Balin> 500 in the department
<Balin> its very close knit though
<Balin> the whole year in one lecture theatre for each subject
<Balin> why do you say wow?
<Nosty> I think it's because I had such great male friends that I didn't have the emotional need to have a boyfriend.
<Balin> that makes sense.
<Nosty> I had boyfriends because I really liked the person, not to feed any other need.
<Balin> in theory you should be an incredibly happy person
<Balin> doh
<Nosty> Why have to go relationship to relationship and have all those emotional scars?
<Balin> so this is really disturbing you?
<Nosty> It bother me that people feel the need to inflict a standard.
<Nosty> I'm not their gf, I shouldn't have to live in their standard.
<Nosty> I live up to Nerd's standard.
<Balin> yeah, so tell em where to get off
<Nosty> He just isn't controlling.
<Nosty> It's not about patience or forgiveness that he has either.
<Nosty> Nerd and I just have really liberal standards for each other.
<Nosty> I've debated just saying we have an "open" relationship and wonder if they'll back away.
<Nosty> That isn't entirely true, but I wonder.
<Balin> your relationship sounds pretty kick ass to me.
<Nosty> Nerd is really the only guy I could handle long term.
<Nosty> I can hang out with anybody, he doesn't care.
<Nosty> In fact, I told McP that the next time people are coming out, that he can stay here if he wishes.
<Nosty> I know he has a thing for married women, and I told Nerd that.
<Nosty> He's welcome anyway.
<McP> Woo hoo!  I'll bring condoms.
<Balin> nosty you are only making complete sense to me
<Nosty> Hi McP :)
<Nosty> Nerd and I don't use condoms anymore :)
<Balin> too much information
<Nosty> Oh gosh.
<Nosty> You aren't planning on using them forever, are you Balin?
<Balin> the visual image of nerd pounded your pussy skin to skin ..
<Balin> no, but there are some things that should remain personal, no?
<Nosty> I think the visual images are the same, condom on or not.
<Balin> i guess.
<Nosty> There still is pounding.
<Balin> ahh!
<Squeaky> too much information....
<Balin> here is the problem
<Balin> i am not pounding pussy, so i guess i don;t like hearing about yours
<Balin> analyse that.
<Balin> jealousy
<Balin> weee
<Nosty> Condoms are the consequence of disease.
<Nosty> Nerd and I don't feel like we need to take that precaution anymore.
<Balin> but what can you do.
<Balin> my fault, i'll be sure to pick up some pussy next time i'm out.
<Nosty> Pregnancy was never an issue in our relationship.
<Balin> why not?
<Nosty> Because of certain drugs I've been on.
<Squeaky> It would be an issue if it happened though
<Balin> drugs are 100% effective?
<Squeaky> Nope.
<Nosty> No, but nothing is.
<Squeaky> Not even if you take them at the right time and don't have other medical problems that could interfer
* McP does a /last stats
<Nosty> I take so much progesterone that I don't worry.
* Squeaky does a /last what stats?
<Nosty> You need estrogen to ovulate.  There isn't enough in my system.
<Balin> doesn't that stuff you up?
<Nosty> No, you really don't have to cycle, it won't really do much damage.
<Nosty> I carry a higher risk of osteoporosis and a higher risk of catching STDs.
<Balin> but estrogen doesn't do other things for your body?
<Balin> some shape and a bounce in your step?
<Balin> i dunno
<Nosty> Oh, estrogen does that.
<Nosty> I really don't care about body shape tho.  I'll never be built like barbie, and I don't care.
<Balin> drink lots of milk, eat cheese, yoghurt
<Balin> i fear cancer, and osteoporosis, i take teh steps to minimalise the risks
<Balin> atleast i used to, till i developed this eating disorder.
<Squeaky> So you'll end up with kidney and gaul stones instead
<Squeaky> and other diseases caused by too much calcium
<Balin> or i'll just move the cancer to my bowel
<Balin> yeah.
<Nosty> Women in my family aren't hunched over.  Smoking, eating large amounts of meat, among other things makes your risk higher for osteoporosis.
<Nosty> But I'm active, I do get enough calcium, so I'm fine.
<Squeaky> I'm not sure I'd want to avoid one cancer by increasing the risks of another
<Squeaky> well, maybe.
<Balin> bowel cancer is one of the most common forms of cancer , alogn with prostate cancer in men
<Nosty> Balin, for your age group it is testicular cancer.
<Balin> yay. can't wait to be anal probed 
<Nosty> I hope you check your balls on a regular basis.
<Balin> no i don't
<Balin> though there is no noticable soreness
<Nosty> You should check them for lumps or any abnormalities.
<Nosty> They don't necessarily get sore.
<Balin> actaully i probably do in summer, when jock itch can become a problem
<Balin> its winter now
<Balin> coming out of it
<Balin> warm day today
<Nosty> Same sort of lumps like in breast tissue.
<Balin> beautiful
<Nosty> You should check them every month.
<Balin> reminds me a beech i holiday at in summer
<Balin> every month...
<Balin> hard schedule to keep
<Nosty> I don't exactly check myself every month.
<Nosty> However, it's enough.
<Nosty> Every few masturbation sessions you can, or in the shower, etc.
<Balin> so check for distortions over time?
<Nosty> Correct, or little hard spots internally.
<Nosty> Like having a BB lodged in there.
<Balin> i need test testes to learn on
<Nosty> I check my dog for little lumps and such.
<Squeaky> twice daily checks?
<Balin> i thought your dog was female
<Nosty> Not testicles :)
<Nosty> Just general body.
<Balin> searching for hard spots
<Nosty> Like I know where her spay scar is, etc.
<Nosty> Or just scratches and such.
<Balin> i would say my testes are firm.
<Balin> hard to find hard spots
<Balin> wihout causing long term pain
<Nosty> Within your scrotum.
<Balin> ah
<Balin> k
<Nosty> And just the general shape of your testes.
<Nosty> I'm sure there is a guide on-line.
<Nosty> It's amazing how many men don't know, but I guess they are me apt to touching themselves anyway.
<Nosty> I guess this falls over tmi, but Nerd and I just do basic checks on each other.
<Balin> i can imagine that being a satisfying experience
<Balin> here, hold still while i check you from the inside.
<Nosty> Oh, he's done that, but more general ones.
<Nosty> Like he had this itchy spot on his back, and I looked and it was a bug bite.  I've been putting cream on it daily.
<Nosty> I just do it, no reminders.
<Balin> a test of willpower would be a nurse doign a pelvic exam in hospital
<Nosty> Oh :)
<Nosty> I'm sure they are used to it getting slightly erect.
<Nosty> I guess that is why many urologists are men :)
<Squeaky> It's amazing how much of a turn off it is to think you have cancer
<Balin> turn off?
<Balin> how do you mean?
<Squeaky> not speaking from experience, but if I thought I had cancer, I probably wouldn't be thinking of the nurse
<Nosty> I know men who have slept with so many women, but never did more of a glance at her genitals.
<Balin> i would. gotta enjoy my last days.
<Squeaky> although, you never know with these things...
<Balin> i take it cunning linguistics weren't happening nosty
<Balin> any excuse to use that phrase...
<Nosty> Well there is the dark.
<Nosty> And so many women just not wanting them to look.
<Balin> woah
<Balin> heavy shit
<Balin> that would be a turn off if they were persistant.  but its not like i'd demand to geeze
<Balin> i would jsut think to celebrate each others body...
<Balin> ehh..
<Nosty> Nerd can look anytime.
<Nosty> Just like curling up to me.
<Nosty> I need sleep.
<Balin> an interesting day.
<Balin> g'night nosty
<Balin> squeaky, howmuch manual work is involved with those stats?
<Squeaky> It's a tough labour intensive task
<Squeaky> like digging roads, or working on the chain gang
<Squeaky> but someone has to do it.  It's one of the crosses I have to bear
<Squeaky> bare?  Hmm
* Squeaky shrugs
<Squeaky> Damnnit
<Squeaky> powerbook has stopped charging again
* Squeaky shakes a fist at the ac adapter
<Squeaky> it's specially designed to last exactly a yer before it starts playing up
<Squeaky> and it's completely sealed, so you can't go in and fix it without sawing it in half
<Squeaky> Damn you Apple.
<Squeaky> Damn you and your shoddy workmanship
<Squeaky> Ah ha, Jobs is coming to France nect month
<Squeaky> I'm going to drive up and through a custard pie in his face
<Squeaky> That'll teach him
<Squeaky> But first, I'll learn to spell
<Squeaky> and maybe stop typing so much crap
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<Quisition> heh..
<Quisition> get a grip..
<Squeaky> I have.  It's sort of charging again now.
<Squeaky> There's a loose connection inside the psu.  You can hear it clicking as you shake it.
<Squeaky> I think it has thermal problems too - then the thing warms up, it stops working.  Then you have to shake it to get it working again
<Quisition> hmm.. wonder if you should say that to tech-support?
<Squeaky> I would do, but it's 3 weeks out of warranty
<Quisition> "It works again if I shake it or hit it with a hammer.."
<Quisition> ouch..
<Quisition> that sux..
<Squeaky> If only I could figure out how to open the damn thing.  It can't be difficult to fix
<Quisition> probably not..
<Quisition> aren't there any way to open it then?
<Quisition> ways even..
<Squeaky> but my attempts at just prising it apart have been none too successfull.  There may be some trick to this
<Quisition> which model?
<Squeaky> powerbook 3400.  External ac adapter
<Squeaky> same as the 2400 and new G3's I believe
<Quisition> I could check it up..
<Squeaky> I'm sure it's been mentioned on the powerlist before, but I don't recall
<Squeaky> Well, I found a screw hidden under the label (like on Apple mice)
<Squeaky> but, it still won't open up
<Kritter> check ogrady.
<Squeaky> I checked.  His search scripts suck
<Squeaky> all microsoft stuff
<Squeaky> He should serve that page off a G3 powerbook
<McP> HTTP Error 404: file not found
<McP> The file "/irc/stats/augstats.html" was not found as specified on Marathon Central. If you believe this to be a configuration problem, contact support@marathon.org.
<Squeaky> What?  You mean the file has dissappeared?
<Squeaky> After all that time and effort I exerted too
<Bovino> Geeze I have a big monitor now
<Bovino> I want stats
<Squeaky> I want a new ac power adapter
<Squeaky> Both of us are going to be dissapointed.
<Bovino> _01-Sep:07:34_ *NaughtyG!BOOTY@1Cust58.tnt4.bos2.da.uu.net* notes B98 index
<Bovino> WTF?
<Bovino> _01-Sep:07:34_ -> *NaughtyG* Are you looking for the nick-stealing vacabot?
<Ap> damn MSN users.
<Squeaky> That would be your B98 index he's talking about
<Bovino> What a fuck head
<Bovino> relm
<Bovino> _01-Sep:07:35_ *_BE_!BOOTY@1Cust58.tnt4.bos2.da.uu.net* notes B98 index
<Bovino> _01-Sep:07:35_ -> *_BE_* Go away annoying little man
* Bovino restarts sendmail for fun and B987 Indecies
<Bovino> did I spell it that way?
<Bovino> BAD COW, go to your barn!
<Bovino> I like segfault because it is so speedy
<Bovino> ack
<Bovino> nack
<Bovino> wahck whack whack!
<Squeaky> Yeah, I have power again.
<Bovino> Stats?
<Squeaky> No stats.  Just power.
<Squeaky> but the stats will have power.  The power of life over death
<Bovino> Stats? Sno. Unya.
<Balin> power.
<Balin> POWER
<Balin> fun
<Bovino> P-O-W-E-R
<Balin> yeah, you got it
<Bovino> (  ( ((In Sterero)) )  )
<Balin> heh
<Balin> lol
<Bovino> er
<Bovino> stereo
<Bovino> I suck
<Bovino> *slurp*
<Balin> the audience is listening
<Bovino> The audience doesn't care as long as there is graphic sex and/or violence
<Balin> i wonder why violence satisfies.
<Bovino> ideal movie:Graphic sex.  Graphic violence. Explosions.  Random lesbian sex.  More explosions, more shooting.  Sex. Roll credits with jokes in them.
<Bovino> How do you get the taste of up here down here?
<Balin> please explain
<Bovino> Why, Arrowhead Mountain Spring Water of course!
<Balin> ah
<Bovino> uh uh uh uh uh oh
<Bovino> I came.
<Squeaky> Yeah, spring water ads seem to have that affect on people
<Squeaky> strange but true
<Bovino> I suddnely have all this screen real estate
<Bovino> It is so nice
<Balin> www.thessasource.com
<Balin> second last news item
<Balin> where's the link to teh research, damnit?
<Balin> oh
<Balin> i was readina cached copy
<Bovino> SOmeone posted a link earlier about the study, which apparently *DID NOT* use a random sample, and therefore is unioversally useless
<Bovino> I need high res porn to display on my new monitor
<Balin> i've lost it
<Bovino> crap
<Balin> hmm
* Balin hunts for the article
<Bovino> moo rhymes with goo
<Squeaky> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980831/V000514-083198-idx.html
<Bovino> uh uh uh uh 
<Bovino> achooo
<Balin> thanks
<Balin> heh, how lame
<Balin> how... empty
<Balin> ah well.
<Squeaky> Your life?
<Balin> the fact they spend 1.5 million on this study and come to no real conclusion
<Balin> its merely another form of communication.
<Squeaky> That's the great thing about studies
<Balin> fuck i hate marylon manson
<Balin> get this shit off my stereo
<Squeaky> I should have told Cooger about my brokenb power adapter.  He could have had a word with Jobs at Seybold
<Balin> this is the 3400?
<Squeaky> yep
<Squeaky> There's a loose connection in the power adapter.  You only have to look at it and it stops working
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Squeaky> But, you don't realise untill the '5 mins of power remaining' message scomes up
<Balin> yeah
<Balin> my dads 540c has had that problem from about 2 weeks since he got it
<Balin> they really need a supply that clipsinto place
<Balin> or atleast doesn't fusk up
<Squeaky> well, I can hear something rattling in mine
<Squeaky> a loose wire.  But I can't open the damn think up to peer inside
<Troll> uhg, 4 hrs of sleep sux
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<Balin> unreal is much cooler when tweaked the right way
<Balin> for example, screen flashing should have been enabled by default
<Squeaky> but presumably a performance hit?
<Balin> probably
<Balin> yo need it, for the effect though
<Squeaky> Ah well, I'll find out for myself in 136 hours
<Balin> much more than say, reflective surfaces
<Balin> i think the game would benefit greatly from better sound effects for the weapons
<Balin> about as much oomph as a laser from star trek
<Balin> if you know wha ti mean
<Squeaky> Unreal.img.sit - come to daddy
<Squeaky> Hmm, I was kinda hopping that my 'net connection would speed up once everyone else went home.  It doesn't seem to be working
<Balin> it would be faster for me to burn it and mail it to you, nearly.
<Balin> if i had a burner
* Kritter has one.
<Kritter> Balin: how'd it go with the girl?
<Squeaky> At the current rate, it will take ~6 days
<Squeaky> so, yeah, mail would be faster
<Squeaky> But it's gonna speed up.  I just know that it will.
<McP> Generate stats, then get Unreal.
* McP teaches Squeaky about priorities.
<Squeaky> Unreal is an integral part of the stats process
<Squeaky> they can not be separated
<Squeaky> anyway, I don't have the logs here yet - they're still transferring too
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<McP> You transfer the logs to where?  From silver to your slaptop?
<Squeaky> yep
<Squeaky> my connection to silver is too flaky for anything interactive
<Squeaky> like irc for instance
<McP> Why not just run the script on silver?
<McP> Ah, so there's lots of Squeaky/script interaction involved?
<Squeaky> Yep.
<Squeaky> There's two scripts.  The first 'cleans' up the logs
<Squeaky> It takes an input log spanning multiple channels, and spits out just the #Marathon stuff.  It also changes all nicks to the standard ones
<Squeaky> so, it has to trace all joins/parts/nick changes
<Squeaky> But, the problem is, people use so many different hostmasks, that if it doesn't recognise someone, it'll prompt me
<Squeaky> it also has to deal with splits etc.
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<McP> Why prompt?  Fusk the multi-hosters.
<Squeaky> Yeah!  Fusk 'em all!
<Squeaky> I do save the new host masks though, so it only needs to be entered once
<Squeaky> There's still the split problem.  On a split, I can't cuarantee that 'McP' is really McP
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<McP> I can guarantee that, if McP is not McP, that the impact on the stats is minimal.
<Squeaky> guarantee too
<Squeaky> Yeah, but the stats wouldn't be correct.
<Squeaky> must be as accurate as possible
<Squeaky> If after a split there's someone called McP and I just presume that it is, even after he changes the name back to Wood, it still tracks the nick as being McP
<Squeaky> 'cos nick changes are handled correctly
<McP> But I thought it was tallied by hostmask.  Why do nicks matter?
<Squeaky> Because, after a split, my logs don't contain the hostmak of everyone on the channel
<Squeaky> hostmasks are only used when someone joins the #  It creates a lookup table of nick into 'real' nick
<Squeaky> when someone changes their nick, it modifies that lut
<McP> Fuckin' nick changers.
<McP> Fusk 'em.
<Squeaky> It's all very complex
<McP> Simplify.
<Squeaky> So, what I do when the nick is unresolvable is scan ahead through the file and print out the next 20 lines from the unknown person.  Then I manually type in who it was.
<Squeaky> i.e., all I do is read some lines and guess who said 'em
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Squeaky> I knew it would speed up - now it's only 25 hours 'till Unreal
<Troll> blah
<Troll> bored and tired.
<Troll> reminds me of school.
* Troll realizes he can surf the web.
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<McP> Anita keeps borrowing my blanket.
<McP> I'd much rather keep her warm myself.
<McP> heh, Ap should've bought Apple stock yesterday.
<Squeaky> going up?
<McP> +3 or so
<Squeaky> better than Sun I see
<Squeaky> +9/16
<McP> Yeah, well, who asked you, beyatch!
<Squeaky> Apple are up almost 10% - they seem to be doing the best out of the common tech stocks
<Squeaky> Intel up 1%, MS up 2.5, Sun up 1%
<Squeaky> See, you can't keep a good company down
<Squeaky> or Apple 
<Squeaky> It probably helps that Apple has no business in Russia as well
* Squeaky heads off...
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<Balin> holy fucken 3:40am. times flies when you are bored shitless playing unreal.
<Kritter> Balin: you gonna answer my question. 
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<Balin> i must have missed it
<Balin> sorry?
<Balin> i have no scrollback, and my msgs recorder mustn;t of picked it up
<Balin> how can i solve this scrollback problem?
<Balin> is there a better telnet app i can use or do i need to set up some sort of logging?
<Kritter> what are you using?
<Balin> NCSA telnet
<Kritter> gah
<Kritter> use NiftyTelnet or BetterTelnet.
<Balin> what was the question? :) please
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<Kritter> How did it go with the girl.
<Balin> ah
<Balin> i laid down the truth as best i know it in an email
<Kritter> an?
<Balin> i assume she'll check her email tomorrow.
* jkowall is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<Kritter> why wouldn't she have checked it by now?
<Balin> because i only wrote it 2pm today
<Balin> and i think she left uni in the morning
<Kritter> oh.
<Balin> i do think what i said as productive, no matter what her reaction is now.
<Balin> as much as I like her, I'll understand (i hope) if she doesn't wan tto talk to me again.
<Balin> cos i really have fusked her around.
<Kritter> well g'luck.
<Balin> thanks.
<Balin> and thanks
* Kritter tries not to look puzzled.
<Balin> thanks for teh luck, and thanks for the general advise.
<Balin> ok. i am now in bettertelnet.
<Balin> ladeeee lah
<Balin> um
<Balin> testing.
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<Balin> i think i like the rugged simplicity of NCSA
<Balin> that or i'm stubborn.
<Balin> woah tired.
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
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<Spht> _McP_ Snoochie boochie noochies!
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<sno> Fusking X.
<Tartarus> Fusking sno.
<McP> Fusking stats.
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<Unya> Blah.
<Unya> Web design seminar.
<Unya> Blah.
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<Tartarus> Hey squeakwhore! stats! stats! stats! stats! stats! stats! stats!
<sno> rotfl
<sno> Why does Monica Lewinsky have puffy cheeks?
<sno> She's withholding evidence.
<sno> rotfl
<sno> What does Monica Lewinsky have in common with a soda machine?
<sno> "Insert Bill here."
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> "Fuck" is like an exclamation mark with balls.
<Unya> Sno, we have a lead on a cat we can take off somebody's hands.
<Unya> Bill has four, and he doesn't want so many.
<Unya> He's also willing to let us have a "trial period" with the cat.
<Unya> His name is Chairman Mao.
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<Ap> A cat named Chairman Mao?  How cool is that?
<Kritter> damn co.
* sno spooges over his mail from NASA.
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<sno> Is Troll wrecking havoc over there yet/
<SphtKr> hmm
<sno> Hmm.
<sno> Indeed.
<SphtKr> what is Marathon Infinity about?
<sno> Very puzzling.
<SphtKr> its so confusing.
<sno> Perplexing even.
<sno> It's about killing things and looking good as you do it.
<SphtKr> ahh
<SphtKr> but what is the story line
<SphtKr> I could follow M1 and M2 but Infinity is just weird
<SphtKr> hehehe
<sno> It's about the life of a cyborg.
<SphtKr> uhm
<SphtKr> hmmm
<sno> The jumps and gaps in logic that take place in his life of being started up and shutdown at different times without warning and always being sent off to do someone else's bidding.
<SphtKr> but like
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<SphtKr> He's on Tycho's side for a few missions
<SphtKr> then he goes back to Durandal
<sno> One minute your mission is to kill the humans. The next, it's to kill the pfhor. The deciding factor being who is in control of you.
<sno> Who starts you up and tells you what to do.
<SphtKr> hmmm
<SphtKr> who is the third AI? is that the Alien AI?
<sno> It's a peek inside your computer many years from now.
* jkowall is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<SphtKr> hmm
<sno> I don't know. I'm just conjecturing from the littly bits that I remember.
<SphtKr> but in the prologue it says its 10k years later
<SphtKr> after the Pfhor are defeated by the Humans and... me :)
<sno> Say your ship was captured by the pfhor. They take you out of hybernation and use you for their own purposes. You have no idea that any of it happened because you were off.
<sno> Think about your computer.
<sno> One day you shut it down.
<sno> It wakes up later, no idea how much later, in a completely different place with a different person.
<sno> It never sees you again.
<sno> From the looks of things, several years have passed.
<sno> Backwards.
<sno> It's gone back in time.
<sno> In reality, you sold it to someone who's into antique furniture while you are into modern furniture.
<SphtKr> but Infinity takes place at the same time as M2, right?
<sno> It's a question about life as a cyborg.
<sno> Thinking you are real, because you feel real, but having to deal with the inconsistencies that exist in your world because you are treated like a machine.
<sno> I don't know.
<sno> I don't remember many specific details about the game.
<sno> All I know is that the phfor and the hunters are much better shots that the humans and I radically preffered being on their side.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
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<SphtKr> crash :P
<SphtKr> ok... back to Marathon Infinity
<SphtKr> so, since he is a cyborg, he cannot distinguish good from bad?
* jkowall is away. smok3 _SZon_
<SphtKr> he has no feelings?
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<Tartarus> mmm, WM 0.19.0
<Tartarus> new clip is much nicer
<Unya> Significntly different?
<Unya> Ah.  Well, time to port.
<Tartarus> no need to port, should be fine
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<sno> I don't know.
<sno> I kind of think that he does.
<sno> And that that's the point.
<sno> That we can treat machines like machines only up to a point.
<sno> OR perhaps it's not supposed to have a point, merely to be an insight into the mind of a computer.
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* jkowall is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<sno> AfterStep is nice.
<Tartarus> no, E is nice, but E is allso big bloaty crap.
<Tartarus> :)
<Tartarus> AS is cool tho.
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* jkowall is away. gone home, be back when ic an get online :) _SZon_
<McP> heh, I just met Dick Sack.
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<sno> There was a Dick Swett in New Hampshire. Some politician.
<sno> And in North Carolina, Les Merit.
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<Ap> mmm.  os 8.5.
<sno> How is it with multitasking?
<sno> Anything that resembles a Unix-machine?
<Ap> hardly.  it's only a decimal update.
<sno> Bah.
<Ap> methinks you expect too much from a .4 upgrade.
<sno> It's something they're talking about. I was just wondering.
<Ap> uh, no.  that's what X is for.
* Ap plays with the cutesy little sounds
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<sno> An obvious enhancement to any operating system. Windows95 is clearly a superior OS to anything prior to it by virtue of its melodic and clear sounding startup sound.
<Tartarus> Bah, the E sounds is muc better then w95. :)
<sno> Unix, of course, is a very poor operating system, making only simple sqwuaks when you do something it doesn't want you to.
<Ap> no no.  little sounds for everything like menu pulls, window drags, scrolling, icon selection and opening, button clicking, etc.
<Ap> lotsa fun.
<sno> Seriously?
<Ap> yep.
<sno> Hm.
<sno> The right sounds that could be nice.
<Ap> they're actually not annoying.  i'm rather impressed.  when i boot back into 8.1 i end up missing them.
<sno> Adam's Windows98 machine has this subtle ticking noise that it makes for icon selection and things like that.
<Ap> yeah.  aural feedback is nice.
<sno> Rather like my keyboard does for it's buttons.
<Ap> command-tab switching is built into the OS now too.
<sno> Oooooh.
<sno> That is nice.
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<Ap> all sorts of pretty interface goo.  16 bit icons.
<Ap> the application menu you can tear off and it turns into a little box with buttons for all the running apps.
<sno> Any modifiers on it allowing you to cycle forwards/backwards, switch through windows within an application via the keyboard?
<Ap> no.  just cmd-tab cycles through running apps.
<Maxinquay> what up guys
<sno> Like all the tile apps people used to make?
<Ap> yep.
<sno> Tried shift-command-tab?
<Maxinquay> hmph
<Maxinquay> friendly
<sno> Hi.
<Maxinquay> HI SNO
<sno> Uh.
<sno> Hi.
<Maxinquay> I didn't know you could do that, sno.
<Maxinquay> Thanks for the tip
<sno> Do what?
<Maxinquay> flip through open applications
<Maxinquay> with cmd-tab
<sno> Well, on a Mac prior to 8.5 you couldn't. Thank Ap.
<Maxinquay> i mean thanks ap
<sno> I gather you are running 8.5?
<Maxinquay> nope
<Maxinquay> 8.1
<Maxinquay> is 8.5 out yet?
<Maxinquay> i haven't seen it in the stores
<Maxinquay> and MacAddict JUST put it on their CD
<Maxinquay> for preview
<Ap> max: i'm running 8.5b7.
* Maxinquay salivates
<Ap> sno: shft-cmd-tab does the same thing.
<Ap> the new Find kicks all ass.
<Maxinquay> ap why's that?
<Kritter> it's vtwin.
<Ap> for starters you can do full file management, like moving them around and trashing them, from within Find.
<Ap> The find-by-content is also very cool.
<Kritter> could always do that Ap.
<Maxinquay> ap that's goof
<Maxinquay> good
<Maxinquay> i mean
<Kritter> could always ope and move from find windows.
<Ap> you can hit the 'More Choices' button until you have this huge window with *10* different sets of criteria.
<Maxinquay> ap - you mean it searches through document text?
<Ap> Kritter: not quite.
<Kritter> yes Max. that's what vtwin does.
<Maxinquay> ap that sounds good
<Maxinquay> cool
<Ap> and search the Internet is just amazing.
<Maxinquay> i'll be back later
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<Ap> goin' to see Blade ce soir.
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<Brymen> uh
<Brymen> uhhhhhhhhhh
<Brymen> Damnit. you all suck
<sno> Hey Bry.
<Brymen> yaay
<Brymen> hey sno
<Ap> no bry.  *you* suck.
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<Brymen> compusa sai\d that they were reviewing applications this week and calling people for interviews
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<sno> Cool.
<Brymen> job->car->chick
<Brymen> its a proccess.
<Ap> whoa there turbo.
<sno> I had a chick before I had a car.
<Brymen> shaddap
<Brymen> thats because youre you, sno
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<Ap> my first chick had a car and a license before i even had my license.
<Brymen> well youre just canadian
<sno> If you get called in for an interview, remember to be opened-minded. If they ask you about your Windows experience don't say that you're experience and throwing them out windows.
<Brymen> heh
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<sno> Same here, Ap.
<Brymen> ill say i have limited experiance using windows and dos, and heavy macintosh experiance
* Ap high-fives sno, his fellow mack daddy.
<sno> heheh
<Brymen> then ill mention how id love to sell macs
<Brymen> then ill kick maxinquay out of the channel
<sno> Nah.
<sno> He's cool.
<Brymen> okay
<Ap> we need to give him/her/it a join/leave quota.
<sno> It.
<sno> heh
<Brymen> i hope they dont say 'but we have plenty of cashier openings'
<Brymen> -of
<Brymen> that of doesnt belong at all
<Brymen> i must be on some crack
<Tartarus> but we have plenty cashier openings?:
<Tartarus> -:
* Ap reboots back into more functionality
<Brymen> -2
<Brymen> ':
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<sno> The purpose of life is to find out who's crack you're on.
<Brymen> thats pretty good
<Tartarus> That fine fine Santa Clare crack.
<Brymen> i found a cloth bound hardcover copy of the teachings of buddha
<sno> Buddha is the man.
<Brymen> in some oriental scripture, and on the other side, english
<Brymen> im on...
<Brymen> page 1
<Brymen> now, do i lend my copy of snow crash to someone or not.
<Tartarus> yes, me.
<Brymen> theyd probably ruin the spine
<Brymen> but getting it back like snos copy would be cool
<Tartarus> send it to me.
<Brymen> its 5 bucks from amazon
<Brymen> ya lamer
<Tartarus> I got $3.
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<Spht> _appy-_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
* Ap returns bearing nachos.
<Kritter> lucky dog.
<Ap> not hard to make.
<Kritter> this I know.
* Ap questions the Pace idea of 'medium' salsa.
<Ap> does kritter have all the imac tv ads in QT yet?
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<Spht> _SuperSpy_ Now that I'm here, kiss your titties goodbye!
<Ap> spy!!
<SuperSpy> yo
<Brymen> is medium too hot for you?
<Ap> yes.  doe.
<Ap> die.
<Brymen> ss!
<Brymen> hahaah
<Unya> OK.  We're going to briefly take Silver down to button it up.  Removing two unnecessary drives, etc.
<Ap> that's right.  laugh at the caucasian.
<Maxinquay> back
<Brymen> ass
<Brymen> hey ss
<Brymen> how was cyprus?
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<Tartarus> apply one of the rst fixes? :)
<Unya> No, although that isn't a bad idea.
<Maxinquay> silly caucasian
<Unya> Is there anything in the source tree yet?
<Tartarus> dunno
<Tartarus> not one of the ones i track.
<Tartarus> 3 or 4 fixes on bugtraq
<Unya> If you can find one really quick I'll try to apply it.
<Unya> Email it to me before shutdown.  We're heading over to Silver's physical location now.
<Tartarus> ok
<Unya> I'll build the kernel while in single user mode.
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<Spht> _fudgeHQ_ Welcome to the chicken channel.
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<Spht> _sn0_ High and wide open, reaching farther, I fly, into the blue.
<DayTrip> wh000p, I got a freelance writing deal with HotWired
<DayTrip> :-)
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<Tartarus> there
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<Spht> _Tartarus-_ I am fueled by filth and fury.
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<Spht> _Squeaky_ This is not Science fiction, this is what they are.
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<Troll> Squeaky, do you have a marathon trillogy CD?
<Squeaky> Yep
<Squeaky> Actually, I have it right here in my bag
<Troll> could you send me the cd-rom window image screnshot?
<Troll> of the bob with the fusion pistol
<Troll> ?
<Squeaky> yeah, give me a minute
<Troll> cool, upload it to silver, actuall
<Troll> y
<Squeaky> I presume you don't have a Mac there?  So you don't want a pict image?
<Stomp> This sucks.
* Stomp tries to go to sleep
<Troll> pict is fine
<Troll> just zip it
<Troll> :)
<Sniperman> I'd like a pict image squeaky... :P
<Squeaky> a pict image squeaky?
<Squeaky> fuskin' stupid CD slowin' down my Mac
<Troll> hah
<Squeaky> IDE CD drives seem to have real problems with CD's that contain a load of custom icons
<Troll> hmm
<Squeaky> locks the whole system up for 30 seconds everytime something looks at the drive
<Sniperman> ouch
<Sniperman> what speed drive?
<Squeaky> 12x
<Sniperman> hmm
<Sniperman> fast
* Sniperman looks at his 4x
<Squeaky> Happens with Myth and Infinity too.  But not if I use my 2x external scsi drive on the powerbook
<Sniperman> wow
<Sniperman> IDE seems sucky
<Troll> IDE on the mac
<Troll> rather
<Squeaky> only with the eide internal
<Troll> its not IDE
<Troll> its ATAPI
<Squeaky> yep, it is 
* Squeaky only knows that it sucks
<Troll> which is what CD-ROM uses over IDE
<Squeaky> It's been like this from Sys7.6 all the way through to 8.5 - there must be some sort of fix
<sno> I just made $500.
<Mr_Cooger> The cat was worth that much? 
<Troll> heh
<Troll> squeaky: upload it yet?
<sno> I'm arranging the sale of sardonic.com.
<Squeaky> Yep, I don't actually have a zipping tool here though, so it's gzipped
<Troll> ok, just as long as its non sit compressed
<Squeaky> and in ~squeaky/Trilogy1.gz
<Squeaky> just binary gzipped
<Troll> kick ass
<Troll> YES!
<Troll> that's it baby!
<Squeaky> I have a T shirt with that on
<Squeaky> 'Evolution of BoB'
<Mr_Cooger> Bobs suck. 
<Squeaky> Some of 'em
<Squeaky> But those fusion BoBs - they'll kick your ass
<Mr_Cooger> Fusion Bobs entirely go against the point of Bobs. 
<Mr_Cooger> So do those stupid guys in M2. 
<Squeaky> The only good BoB is a dead BoB, right?
<Mr_Cooger> No. 
<Mr_Cooger> Jeez, you were supposed to protect the Bobs. 
<Mr_Cooger> Dork. You're just as bad as people who make levels that don't use the alien ship texture but still name them with a "pfh" name. 
<Squeaky> So, why does the vidmaster oath say "I pledge to .... neve, ever, leave a single Bob alive."
<Troll> heh heh hhe
<Troll> my ID card will rock with the profile of this bob
<Mr_Cooger> Because people are idiots and get a huge amount of amusement from killing things that die easily, unspectacularly, and don't fight back. 
<Squeaky> I mean, it might not fit the story line, but that's the official Bungie oath
<Squeaky> Yay!
<Mr_Cooger> That didn't come about til M2. 
<Squeaky> True, but J Jones did suggest similar in posts to csmg around the time of the M1 release
<Squeaky> face it - Bobs were made to be killed
<Mr_Cooger> If you're an idiot. 
<Squeaky> There's no penalty for killing 'em all in any Bungie level
<Squeaky> well, apart from a different terminal message
<Squeaky> but it doesn't prevent you from completing the level
<Mr_Cooger> Hey, if you want to play the game to kill guys that don't fight back, great. You are an over-achiever. 
<Squeaky> But they're just so stupid - they get in the way
<Squeaky> I don't chase after them, but you can't avouid some friendly fire
<Mr_Cooger> Sometimes I smack one down for getting in my way and not getting out. 
<Squeaky> I was just firing my assault rifle, and he walked across my path
<Mr_Cooger> But people who upload maps that are filled with bobs just so you can kill them are all morons. 
<Mr_Cooger> Huh huh, killing bobs is cool. 
<Squeaky> OK, I agree with that.
<Mr_Cooger> Killing bobs is only so amusing. 
<Mr_Cooger> And having guys that you're supposed to NOT kill adds to gameplay, even if it's not enforced. 
<Squeaky> You can't imagine how many complaints you get thoigh when you make a level that requires you to save Bob
<Mr_Cooger> Jeez, the idea of Marathon was to save the ship from aliens. 
<Mr_Cooger> "Let's just save the ship and kill all the crew". 
<Mr_Cooger> Infinity, fuck, I don't care. I killed the bobs in M2 just for being so fucking ugly. 
<Squeaky> But Bob was stupid.  He'd been inbreeding for a few hundred years
<Mr_Cooger> Did you ever untangle that drug-inspired mess that was Infinity's plot? 
<Squeaky> It's not possible
<Sniperman> infinity's plot was fucked
<Mr_Cooger> I didn't think so. 
<Sniperman> all that bubble gum shit confused me
<Mr_Cooger> Infinity had damn cool levels, but oo just had to lay off the LSD. 
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<Squeaky> It will all be revealed in Duality ;-)
<Mr_Cooger> Eugh. 
<Mr_Cooger> Duality. 
<Mr_Cooger> Don't even get me started on that piece of bullshit. 
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<Sniperman> hmm
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<Spht> _Wodo_ I'm a lame ass.
* Sniperman agrees with the signon...
<Sniperman> ;)
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<sno> God. The whole internet is not responding to me today, I swear.
<Nosty> It's a conspiracy.
<Mr_Cooger> The internet's going out of style. Use webTV. 
<Nosty> I need to sample the Law and Order sound.
<Nosty> Use it as an error sound on my machine.
<Squeaky> You need to get an iMac - 'cos that's the easiest way to connect to the internet
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<Mr_Cooger> Mmmm....marching cubes. 
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Mr_Cooger> Hey Troll.
<Troll> hey coog
* sno yawns.
* Troll has left his console. Agent: bed.
<sno> X cannot handle me.
<sno> I've caused it to lock up solid so many times today.
<Mr_Cooger> X blows. 
<Mr_Cooger> We need Y. 
<sno> No, we need X++.
<Squeaky> wouldn't it be XI?
<Squeaky> folled by XII, XIII, XIV, XV etc.
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* Nosty yawns
* Balin is back. I am back.
<Nosty> Hi balin.
<Balin> hi nosty 
<Balin> good to see you.
<Balin> um, see your text.
<Nosty> I hope you can't see me right now :)
<Balin> heh. 
<Balin> even though i probably smell like shit
<Balin> i feel very satisfied sitting her ein my basketball gear.
<Balin> with my crusty hair 
<Balin> bruises
<Nosty> I really don't mind that sort of thing.
<Balin> i only don;t like my own body odour when it gets sickly sweet.
<Balin> i'm sure other people wouldn't like it htough
<Nosty> I can handle body odor more than I can handle too much perfume.
<Balin> i mean, pure body odour, like jump out of the shower, then do something enegetic, or if its hot, that sweaty smell that is pure i almost like
<Balin> i'm not some psycho that likes dirty socks
<Balin> ;)
<Nosty> Me either.
<Balin> :sigh:
<Balin> i wish she would check her email
<Nosty> Is this the really attractive woman?
<Balin> yes.
<Balin> i totally confessed.
<Nosty> Really?  Cool.
<Balin> i don't care if  nothing happens, i just don';t want her to hate me
<Balin> i decieved her...
<Nosty> How was she deceived?
<Balin> i was crapping on emoting to her how about my fucked up i was.
<Balin> when really although in my head i believed it, it wasn't the truth
<Balin> it was an excuse
<Balin> i really feel like i have a clear head now
<Balin> i feel normal.
<Nosty> I figured you confessed that you liked her.
<Nosty> Not that you are fucked up.
<Balin> but i am ashamed of what i did
<Balin> yes, i confessed something like that
<Nosty> What is wrong with confessing that you like her?
<Balin> because i was manipulating her, or atelast trying to, emotionally
<Nosty> How were you manipulating her?
<Nosty> Sounds like you tried to get to know her.  What is wrong with that?
<Balin> telling her how fucked i was, goin gon about my depression.
<Balin> yes, i know
<Nosty> I'd prefer someone try to get to know me.
<Balin> that is true, but it was the wrong way to go about it
<Nosty> Sounds like you've been telling everybody about the depression.
<Balin> not really.
<Balin> friends i thought might understand and be able to help
<Balin> i was also tellin gher
<Balin> i did believe what i was going through
<Balin> it wasn;t all contrived
<Balin> but it was wrong.
<Balin> which affects me because i thought i had an ideal of never lieing .
<Balin> which shatters all i thought i stood for.
<Nosty> Doesn't sound like you did to me.
<Balin> i need to be careful not to continue
<Balin> not to sound like i am just continueing some plot 
<Balin> but how do i convey to her i find her very attractive, with this in mind?
<Balin> i just feel like a fucked up
<Balin> i've worked myself into a moral corner.
<Balin> ag'
<Balin> ok, clear the bullshit, detach, and rethink simply.
<Balin> i need to calm down, and wait for her reaction, and be ready to show that i'm sorry?
<Balin> :sigh:
<Balin> this is absurd.
<Balin> i need to be myself.
<Balin> how's the reading going nosty?
<Balin> come to any conclusions?
<Balin> maybe my problem is i'm looking for love, and she's looking for fun
<Balin> ok.
* Balin drinks a warm glass of shut the fuck up..
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
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<Spht> _ap-_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
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<Ap> food, no food.  food, no food.
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<Balin> www.dealmac.com
<Balin> check it out!
<Squeaky> What does that mean?
<Balin> it means that site has been hacked
<Balin> i assume
<Squeaky> No, the food, no food bit
<Balin> ah
<Squeaky> What's normally at that page then?
<Balin> a very cool mac site that finds the lowest prices on every thing and anything
<Balin> they have many special deals on all th etime
<Balin> is ther a sales tax in all us states?
<Squeaky> Nope
<Balin> damnit. no $10 notes
<Balin> er
<Balin> wrong channel
<Squeaky> Nor is there a sales tax if you buy mailorder from one state but live in another
<Balin> taxes suck
<Squeaky> tax evasion rawks
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<McP> Squeaky: Please don't post the stats.
* McP tries some reverse psych.
<Ap> good onion today.
<McP> Yes.  Yes it is.
<McP> School is obviously back is session.
<McP> I liked Point Counterpoint
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<HellShark> hey guys
* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
<Balin> errr
<Balin> www.deal-mac.com
<Balin> not www.dealmac.com
* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
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<Evill> anyone have an M1 Shapes viewer or editor lying around?
<Evill> I searched, but they all seem to have vanished
* jkowall is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<Squeaky> I bet you'd find one at the HyperArchive
<Bovino> er
* Squeaky goes to the HA and types 'shapes'
<Squeaky> Pfhred 1.3.1 - Marathon Shapes Editor - Shape Shifter.  All there
<Squeaky> http://www.marathon.org/hyperarchive/shapes/
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<Spht> _Pfhormerl_ Blind faith is the crutch of fools.
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all
<Evill> yeah I looked there, but it wasn't listed
<Squeaky> Is too.
<Evill> I think Pfhred is the one I'm after
<Squeaky> Yep.  Third one down
<Evill> hrm
<Evill> ok.. heh
<Squeaky> The HA has everything.  The HA own3 j00
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all...
<Evill> I'd looked at m1 editors, and the utilities one
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<Pfhormerl> Oh, wait, I already said that.
<Evill> thanks ;)
<Pfhormerl> Squeaky!
<Bovino> The file "/irc/stats/augstats.html" was not found as specified
<Squeaky> Heya 4
<Squeaky> Hrm, isn't it there?
<Squeaky> Damn that Squeaky is a lazy good for nothing
<Pfhormerl> yeah!
<Pfhormerl> What does he ever do around here?
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<Squeaky> Just logs and stuff by the looks of things
<Pfhormerl> Strange, I don't SEE any logs... :)
<Squeaky> No.  Apparantly he keeps them secret
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<Pfhormerl> Whaa bastard.
<Pfhormerl> er
<Pfhormerl> What a bastard. :)
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<Wood> Stats, dammit!
* McP high fives Wood.
* Wood hugs McP, his irc buddy!
<McP> Wodo: New Onion.  Read Point/Counterpoint first.
<Wood> Yeah that was a riot.
<Wood> I wonder if that ever happens to Coog.
<sno> And as the guy with root, I can tell you that they sure as hell ain't there.
<Wood> Where are the stats?
<sno> Not here.
<Wood> Hmmm... I launched Netscape, and it would up typing "Where are our damn stats?" into the search engine page.
<McP> Squeaky downloads the entire log to his laptop.  While downloading Unreal.  From Italy.
<Wood> I wasn't looking where I typed.
<sno> ~6bmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
<sno> heh
<sno> Mao keeps walking on my keyboard this morning.
<sno> He tried to type my root password earlier.
<Wood> Load up www.cat-scan.com
<Wood> And then make a submission.
<Balin> hmm
<sno> We don't have a scanner. :(
<Balin> i can't get this image to go back together properly with frames
<Balin> i must be missing a tag
<Balin> every frame border 2 pixels goes missing.
<sno> border=0
<sno> padding=0
<sno> ?
<Bovino> poop=2
<Balin> there is framepadding?
<Bovino> How is he doing ?
<Wood> bbl- lunch time
<sno> Yeah.
<Bovino> I take it the young studs are going tro make an appearence shortly
<sno> He keeps trying to bite my right nipple.
<Bovino> Wooo
<sno> Specifically my right nipple.
<Bovino> The file "/irc/stats/augstats.html" was not found as specified 
<sno> He just bit my chin.
<Bovino> Beat him
<Ap> what makes that cat a communist?
<Squeaky> Ah, well you have to go through the /irc/stats.html page anyway
<sno> His name is Chairman Mao.
<Bovino> Chariman Meow
<sno> That too.
<Wood> Going through stats.html isn't working either.
<Ap> but he's named chairman mao because he's a communist, no?
<sno> Yeah.
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<Ap> so what makes him a communist?
<Wood> And my eyeballs have melted.
<Bovino> becaus ehe wants sno, nick, and adam to do all the work for him ;)
<sno> That he's named Chariman Mao.
<Ap> so he's named chairman mao because he's a communist, and he's a communist because he's named chairman mao.
<sno> You got it. :)
<Ap> okay.  just wanted to clarify.
<Bovino> This sucks
<Ap> he's a GNU cat, is he?
<Bovino> I don't want to go to class today
<Balin> <frameset FRAMEBORDER=NO FRAMEBORDER=0 border="0" border=0 FRAMESPACING=0 FRAMEPADDING=0 rows="228,72">
<sno> "Those Commie Kitties...."
<Balin> any more tags valued at zero i could add?
<Bovino> hmmm
<Bovino> Fuck it, I'm not going in today
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Wood> Becky's job is to open source genes.
<McP> mmmmm, Anita
<Wood> If you sent some Mao blood, you could clone a kitty you designed yourself.
<Wood> I think cats need at least 8 tails.
<Ap> 4-assed kitty.
<Wood> bbias... lunch
<McP> Compile, damn you.
<Wood> McP the move was a success.
<Wood> We now have a "football" room.
<Wood> Including TV, stereo, playstation and cooler
<Wood> The door will shut out any females in the apartment.
<Wood> Strangely enough, Becky thinks she's ahead of the game. She gets to shut us in a room during football games.
<Troll> heh
<Kritter> where is the real ap?
<Ap> here.
<Squeaky> No, the real ap
<Unya>  /ml
<Unya> argh.
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<NeoN> howdy
<NeoN> Well, I just had my first class of college about 2 hours ago
* Ap encourages his phone to ring elsewhere.
<NeoN> English 100.  I was assigned an essay which is due on Friday and I already finished it.  Man, I am on top of things! =)
<NeoN> I just need to print it out
<Ap> word count?
<NeoN> and I don't have a printer, so that suxors
<NeoN> 549 words
<NeoN> it was just like a small writing process essay
<NeoN> we have to explain what our writing process is like
<NeoN> I have Math 114 at 2:25
<NeoN> that is going to suck, I can see it already
<sno> Did you explain why your writing process involves turning the assignment in on toilet paper?
<NeoN> That is probably going to be one of my toughest classes
<NeoN> I'm wondering..
<sno> What's math 114?
<NeoN> If I were to just write a rough draft in my notebook, could I scan it in using OCR?
<NeoN> sno: Algebra and Trig
<NeoN> I'm no math wiz
<sno> Neither am I.
<sno> But McP is.
<sno> :)
<sno> He can help you.
<sno> And me when go back.
<NeoN> I understand it if taught to me, but I usually don't retain it
<sno> Well, that's all that counts.
<sno> Can you retain up until test time?
<NeoN> I can grasp just about anything, or atleast I've been able to thus far in my life
<sno> What's your major, by the way?
<NeoN> sno: yeah, probably
<Bovino> Holy shit
<Bovino> this guy called up and sounded JUST LIKE SNO
<NeoN> sno: I'm going to try going for a CS major
<Bovino> eEEew CS
<sno> YEAH BABY!1
<NeoN> not sure if I will though
<sno> CS majors rock.
<Bovino> As an MIS major you are my sworn enemy, and I yours
<NeoN> I'm not sure if I'll like it
<NeoN> Management Information Systems?
<Bovino> Yes.
<Ap> as a psych major you are all my sworn playthings.
<sno> MIS is like, "I wanna be a computer geek but I don't know how."
<NeoN> why is it that I am your enemy?
<Bovino> Summer can play with my things anytime
<Bovino> sno, keep in mind MIS people hire CS people and can crush them like insects beneath their corporate feet
<sno> MIS majors don't understand technology, but they get to boss around the people who do.
<sno> It's one of the things that are wrong with this industry.
<Ap> wasn't omat an MIS major?
<NeoN> Why is it that some of the mp3s on silver are only like half length
<sno> I rest my case.
<Bovino> Exactley!  I am a competant MIS person!  I kick all their asses.
<Ap> whatsa matter with omat?
<sno> Oh, nevermind.
<Bovino> A lot of CS people don't understand why their company of 5 people can't buy them 40,000 workstations.
<NeoN> is the complete Dark Side of the Moon CD on silver?
* Ap theorizes that omat has something to do with sno's observed bitterness in the female department.
<NeoN> I should go scope out the lab, see if there are any pritners
<NeoN> er printers
<NeoN> pritners too
<sno> Unya says he thinks it is, Neon.
<Wood> I'm working on process design right now.
<McP> That album needs to be one looooong mp3.
<Wood> It's bending my mind in half.
<sno> Yup. There it iss.
<Unya> It is split as songs.
<Bovino> Suuuuure
* Bovino vandelizes other cubicles for fun and profit
<NeoN> Good, because I burned it to CD
*** Signoff: Devo-n (Forge on!)
<Bovino> Unya, what monitor type di dyou pick for win95?
<Wood> I like monochrome amber monitors.
<Wood> Green monitors give me a headache.
<NeoN> I downloaded some Daft Punk and Beastie Boys mp3's last night and some of them were only half-length and got cut short
<Wood> But that amber- man!
<NeoN> Well, shit, I best call up the bank and transfer some money over
<NeoN> I'll need lots of it for college
<McP> Neon: You find the local buds man yet?
<Wood> NeoN- you need to take advice from me, not McP.
<Wood> I'm the only one still IN college.
<Wood> McP is finished.
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> McP: naw, I'm sure I could find some though
<NeoN> I'm sure there are lots of drugs about 2 blocks away
<McP> I'll be schooling in January, slick.
<NeoN> in that big building with "Crackhouse" spraypainted on the side
<NeoN> naw, State St. is like 2 blocks away
<Wood> Where are you?
<McP> I'm in Cali.
<NeoN> tons of pipe stores down there and the such, of course the pipe are meant for tobacco use only, no other use is intended nor implied
<NeoN> I'm in Wisconsin
<NeoN> Madison
<Bovino> Yay drugs
<Bovino> WOOOOOO!
<Bovino> WOOOOOO!
<Bovino> WOOOOOO!
<Bovino> WOOOOOO!
<Ap> die?
<sno> Yes, die.
<NeoN> I grabbed some new psychedelic proggies for my 'puter yesterday..
<Bovino> We got the Hard Disk Back for Treefor!
<Bovino> t
<Bovino> disghdf
<NeoN> That means I might have to truly experience them
<NeoN> but probably not for a while
<NeoN> man, wodo, UW-Madison is soo cool.  There are like a whopping 2 people on campus who like to play Marathon
<McP> Kill them.
<Wood> You ger free onions, right?
<Wood> er, get
<NeoN> um, no
<Wood> er, Onions
<NeoN> oh, yeah
<NeoN> heh
<Wood> You're in the promised land.
<NeoN> I thought you meant like the vegetable.  i was like "What the fusk is wodo talking about!?"
<NeoN> Onions are free all over the place
<NeoN> anywhere you look there are onions
<Wood> Can you mail me one each week? I'll pay postage.
<Wood> Throw some weed in the envelope, too.
<NeoN> I suppose I could
<NeoN> but then I'd have to remember to do that every week
<sno> Wisconsin is where onions are grown?
<sno> Or something?
<NeoN> The Onion, ya know, the satirical newspaper
<sno> I thought so.
<sno> How are you going to be mailing them to Wodo?
<NeoN> Oh, I'm not going to
<sno> Do they have actual printed papers in Wisconsin?
* sno feels confused.
<NeoN> Yeah, they have'em like everywhere
<NeoN> especially on Campus
<sno> Oh.
<sno> Is that where they're based?
<NeoN> yep
<sno> Ah.
<NeoN> just a couple of blocks away, I think
<Wood> They are a newspaper.
<NeoN> is Dark Side of the Moon only 9 tracks?
<Wood> Okay, if there are no stats, I'm out of here.
<Wood> bbl
<Bovino> No stats
<Bovino> evil evil
<Wood> Squeaky needs to be disciplined.
<Squeaky> Oooo yes.
* Troll has left his console. Agent: work
<NeoN> Well, later fuskers
<Balin> neon you like dsotm?
<NeoN> Yeah, I do
<NeoN> I just want to know if I have the full CD
<Balin> maybe i need to give it another go
<Balin> i only listened to about 10 minutes
<Bovino> I am beginning to think segfault is not going to print my hilarious fake news story
<Balin> but didn't like it tha tmuch
<NeoN> Just get stoned and listen to it, you'll understand
<Balin> heh
<Balin> no more weed for me
<NeoN> It really fucks with yer head
<NeoN> Well, drunk would do too
<Balin> actaully
<Balin> i do have to try weed again
<NeoN> why?
<Balin> a different brand though
<NeoN> I honestly don't think weed is that bad
<NeoN> it fucks you up less than alcohol
<Balin> se if there is something just with this stuff i have that is just affecting me
<NeoN> it doesn't impair you nearly as much
<Balin> neon weed currently sends me on bad trips
<NeoN> what? like how?
<NeoN> Like you actually trip out?
<Balin> i dunno
<Balin> i don't really know whata trip is
<Balin> i get very confused
<Balin> the confusion is painful
<NeoN> Yeah, you aren't exactly at your brightest level after smoking weed
<Balin> i just sit very still
<Balin> thinking
<NeoN> heh
<Balin> my mind goes fucked
<Balin> no pleasure
<NeoN> That's what it does
<NeoN> You don't feel all fucked up though?
<Balin> i ge the usual side effects, dry mouth, sore eyes
<NeoN> I tend not to try to think too much while I'm stoned, that usually helps
<Balin> excelpt zero pleasure and these 'insanity' attacks
<NeoN> I just tend to be laid back and have fun
<Balin> hmm
<NeoN> Balin: hell, never do acid then
* Balin thinks
<NeoN> Acid really fucks with you
<Balin> yeah
<Balin> maybe it was something to do with being stressed
<Balin> i could smoke some agai now to see what happens
<NeoN> You just can't really think about the bad things though, because if you do it will ruin everything and turn into a bad trip
<Balin> so weed + nirvana = bad trip
<NeoN> Balin: do it for recreational purposes, not day to day usage
<McP> That's true with any drug, y'all.  Including alcohol.
<Balin> shit
<NeoN> Actually, I find that smoking weed after eating acid usually fucks me up a lot more
<NeoN> and makes me trip harder
<Balin> i have to vote to enroll or i get fined $50
<Balin> fuckit
<Balin> damni
<NeoN> or maybe it's just because I always smoke it before I peak
<NeoN> I don't do acid all too often though
<NeoN> I've done it like.. twice
<McP> Acid pretty much negates the effects of pot and alcohol.
<McP> Until the acid wears off, that is.
<Ap> it's time for lunch.
<McP> That's true for anything speedy.
<NeoN> Alcohol helps you get to sleep easier after doing acid though
<NeoN> otherwise you stay awake for fusking ever
<McP> Yep.  That's the speed.
<Balin> tso, if you are feeling shit, and you smoke weed, you feel fucked, but if you are feeling good, and you smoke, you feel damn fine?
<McP> Its different for every person.
<NeoN> It usually makes me feel fine, just do it to have fun though.  Don't have the intention of doing anything too thought-provoking
<McP> If it makes a bad situation worse, don't do it.
<Balin> no, the answer will be found if only i can get high enough for long enough
<Balin> jk
<NeoN> A couple of friends and I tried to loft my furniture while we were stoned.  We were doing everything bass ackwards
<Balin> well
<NeoN> Yeah, pot's not for everyone.  I don't particularily care to do it all of the time as my friends do, but it's fun every now and then
<Balin> it kinda sux not being able to smoke weed
<NeoN> Just try some kind buds or something =)
<Balin> ?
<NeoN> Balin: why? If you've never gotten any real enjoyment out of it, then why are you going to miss it?
<Balin> i have such a beautiful bong though
<NeoN> ask McP all about kind buds
<Balin> neon, i mean, it sux that i don't get enjoymen tout of it
<Balin> i used to.
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<NeoN> Maybe you shouldn't smoke it so often
<Balin> 2 years ago when i first started..
<Balin> i've smoked like 15 times in my life.
<Balin> maximum
<NeoN> oh.. heh
<NeoN> I didn't actually get fucked up until about 5 times after smoking it
<Balin> contrary to popular channel belief, due to my irc pics
<Balin> when you say 'fucked up' you mean good fucked up right?
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<NeoN> Yeah, like I never felt anything the first couple of times
<NeoN> except I had the typical red eyes, etc..
<Balin> weeeeeird.
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<McP> Make me.
<NeoN> If you want to get really fucked while smoking weed, smoke quite a bit then sit next to a boomin' subwoofer.  The bass fucks me up so much.  I actually go numb
<Wood> That whole issue of weekly week is actually pretty funny.
<Wood> The Colostomy Bag fad, Cap'n Crunch Court-Martialed.
<Wood> Although The Onion is still tops.
<Wood> okay, bbl
<NeoN> Well, later now.. for real
<Balin> fucking sweet
<Balin> i've been dicking with this html for i don't know how long
<Balin> netscape is a fcuked up piece of shit
<Balin> it looks perfect in IE4
<sno> Netscape rocks.
<Balin> all i haveto do is resize the window in netscape
<Balin> and thing smove all over teh place
<Balin> in a frameset that shouldn't be affected by window size
<sno> Do you maybe have some center tag that is trying to space things out by centering them?
<Balin> no
<Balin> all i have used is framesets and background images
<Balin> to put an image back together
<Balin> maybe i am missing certain tags that netscape needs
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<sno> Wish I could be of more help but I haven't touched HTML since before the days of Java.
<Balin> :)
<Balin> i'm sure it can be fixed, it just needs a detailed intricate knowledge of netscape
<Balin> (fun fun fun)_
<NeoN> Who uploaded Antiloop to silver?
<sno> Probably Troll.
<NeoN> Does he have the CD?
<sno> I think so.
<NeoN> I'd like to get the whole thing
<NeoN> I think Antiloop is really cool
<NeoN> well, later
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* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
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<pharoh> lo all
*** pharoh is now known as pharoh_wo
*** pharoh_wo is now known as pharoh
* pharoh is at work
<Nosty> m
<pharoh> hey nosty
<Nosty> Hey.
<Tartarus> awww yeah, bikin' geeks on /.
<pharoh> how are you?
<Nosty> Doing good.
<pharoh> that's good,
<Nosty> Matt is staying home late today, so I'm happy.
<pharoh> haven't talked much in the last month or so.   I've been quite busy
<Nosty> Yeah, no kidding.
<pharoh> ahh....
<pharoh> Ok, I've had to work full time, coach a soccer team and please a girlfriend....it's a dirty job but someone must do it.
<pharoh> and soon I'll be taking classes at a community college.
<Nosty> What age are the soccer players?
<pharoh> highschool varsity team
<pharoh> i am the assistant coach
<Nosty> Oh wow.  Assistant Coach?
<pharoh> it's more of a time consuming duty than anything else
<Nosty> Paper work and bus trips I imagine.
<pharoh> yeah, it's preparing me for when I goto U of New Hampshire to play soccer there\
* McP belches.
<pharoh> <nod>
<Nosty> Too much Guinness McP?
<McP> I wish.
<pharoh> nosty have you seen catalina <erin> online recently?
<McP> I haven't had any in about a month.
<Nosty> Not at all Pharoh.  You should ask McP about her.
<pharoh> ?
<pharoh> mcp?
<Nosty> She lives about a mile from him.
<McP> No, I haven't seen her online recently.
<pharoh> thanks sno...I didn't even know you were around
<sno> I wasn't.
<pharoh> oh
<Nosty> I should make Nerd swim with me.
<pharoh> heh, that should be fun
<Nosty> Fun when he does.
<Nosty> He tends to complain when I involve him in anything that requires motion.
<Nosty> A true nerd I guess.
<pharoh> I assume that includes sex?
<pharoh> not to intrude on you sex life or anything....sorry
<Nosty> No comment.
<Nosty> There is a joke along the lines of jewish sex being so many hours of begging, 15 minutes of fun, and a hour of guilt after.
<McP> Catholic sex is more fun.
<Nosty> What does that involve?
<sno> A priest as a third party.
<McP> Fuck.  Confess.  Fuck again.  Confess.  etc.
<Nosty> I guess I didn't have sex with a really catholic guy.
<Nosty> I knew another guy like that tho.
<McP> I was doing a very Catholic married woman.
<Nosty> Would she tell her priest everything?
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<McP> She confessed it at one point, yes.
<Nosty> Better yet, did she let you use a condom?
<McP> And she had her priest over for dinner often.
<McP> I met him, in fact.
<Nosty> Hah.
<McP> No condoms.
<Nosty> I knew it. eeek.
<McP> She simply liked to fuck.
<McP> Born to fuck.
<Nosty> It's a wonder she didn't get pregnant or a disease.
<McP> I'm not diseased.
<Nosty> Are you absolutely sure you are the only one and her husband has never messed around?
<McP> No.  She did her college advisor.
<Nosty> There you go.
<McP> I give blood very often, so it gets checked.
<Tartarus> She the one that got you hooked on married chicks?
<McP> yep
<Tartarus> ah.
<McP> It'll most likely never happen again.
<Tartarus> He ever find out?
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Tartarus> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Niece wrote:
<Tartarus> > 
<Tartarus> > Cool! I always felt that I had itty bitty tits. But now I'm feeling
<Tartarus> > better.
<Tartarus> > 
<Tartarus> You STILL have itty bitty tits.  But, I could feel them better.
<Tartarus> Pope
<McP> As far as I know, her husband didn't know.  I'm sure she's told him by now, though.
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<sno> Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
<Garbage-> anyone know where the Marathon Music Exploder can be found - that little app that rips the MIDI sounds out of Marathon 1?
<Garbage-> I had it once and need it back. :\
<Nosty> Check the marathon page?
<Tartarus> No, it's MINE!
<Tartarus> You can't have it.
<Garbage-> I checked www.marathon.org with no success.
* Tartarus runs off.
<Nosty> And altavista?
<Garbage-> yep.
<Garbage-> And download.com and shareware.com.
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<sno> Indeed, I cannot find it  on Silver.
<Garbage-> ah, found it!
<Garbage-> I thought the top-level "Search" on www.marathon.org would search the hyperarchive as well.
<Garbage-> Evidently not.
<Garbage-> http://www.marathon.org/hyperarchive/Files/utilities/Marathon_Music_Exploder.hqx
<Garbage-> should anyone care.
<sno> Indeed. There it is.
<sno> Wow, we do have a lot on Silver.
<sno> Just not under ftp.
<Nosty> Sno, doing anything today?
<sno> Coding.
<Nosty> Feel like thrashing a woman around in the pool?
<sno> Not right now, no.
<Nosty> I didn't indicate now.  There is later.
<sno> I'm not so inclined at the moment, no.
<sno> StarNet really doesn't want me it seems. They never returned my phone call.
<Nosty> Perhaps U of A will.
<sno> Perhaps. I should call them to see if the positions have been filled.
<McP> I want you, sno.
<McP> Right here.  On the desk.
<Nosty> What an opportunity.
<sno> What do I get paid?
<McP> You get 8 inches of payment, baby.
<Nosty> What if it isn't 8 inches?
<Nosty> I'd take a ruler to be safe.
<sno> I only work for cash.
<McP> I'll use a $5 as a condom.
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<Tartarus> Eww, dirty money.
<sno> And I'm not that cheap. Yet.
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<Tartarus> How soon till you apply for the shit jobs?
<sno> When I'm dead.
<McP> I'm having e-mail wars with Spy.
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<McP> "haha, you got fired!"  "No, YOU got fired!"
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<Nosty> Hey Pork.
<porker> hey
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<Spht> _Squeaky_ This is not Science fiction, this is what they are.
<Spht> _Stomp_ You may call it Wilbur.
<Spht> _sno_ High and wide open, reaching farther, I fly, into the blue.
<Spht> _Vaca_ Bovino, World's top Mfr. of cat 4.9 cables!
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<Evill> hrm
<Evill> how can I convert an M1 map to M2?
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<Spht> _SuperSpy_ Now that I'm here, kiss your titties goodbye!
<SuperSpy> re
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<McP> No, YOU'RE fired!
<SuperSpy> No, YOU ARE!!!!!
<SuperSpy> anyone know of any mp3 sites?
<McP> Yeah.
* McP looks at Metrowerks stock price.
<SuperSpy> :p
<SuperSpy> mcp gimme the site damn it
<McP> Spy: You have an account on silver, right?
<SuperSpy> yeah, what is the ip again?
<McP> Secret.
<SuperSpy> silver.teardrop.org
<SuperSpy> :P
<McP> Secret is out.
<McP> There's mp3s there, dude.
<SuperSpy> which directory
<McP> /home/shared/mp3 I think
<SuperSpy> kick ass dude
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<Mr_Cooger> Steven Ballmer must die. 
<SuperSpy> I got one of those MiniDisc players
<Mr_Cooger> Hey Spy. 
<Mr_Cooger> When is R4 coming out again? December? 
<McP> You have to upload some Arabian music.
<SuperSpy> what's up coog
<SuperSpy> I don't have any Arabian music
<McP> No snake-charming flute music?
<Mr_Cooger> I want MacOSX, damnit. 
<McP> You ween.
* SuperSpy has MacOS X Servernext to him
<SuperSpy> it sux
<Mr_Cooger> Why?
<SuperSpy> it is basically Rhapsody with a new name
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Mr_Cooger> So? I thought you liked Rhapsody. 
<Mr_Cooger> And isn't the UI more Mac-like? 
<Evill> how would I go about converting a M1 map to M2?
<SuperSpy> oh I do
<SuperSpy> but it is gonna suck, because apple is never gonna really support MacOS X Server
<SuperSpy> who the hell wants to run a MacOS Server?
<Mr_Cooger> What do you mean? OSX is their future. 
<Mr_Cooger> Are you talking about the Intel version? 
<SuperSpy> OS X is, but not OS X Server
<Mr_Cooger> Oh. I didn't know there was a difference between OS X and OS X Server. 
<Mr_Cooger> I want OS X. 
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<Mr_Cooger> Have you seen OS X spy? 
<SuperSpy> my fusking stomach hurts
<SuperSpy> nope
<SuperSpy> I've only seen OS X server
<Mr_Cooger> Is OS X Server the Intel version? 
<SuperSpy> which is Rhapsody 1.0
<SuperSpy> no, it is Rhapsody
<Mr_Cooger> Cuz I don't know why they don't stop working on the Intel version right this second. 
<SuperSpy> MacOS X is like the MacOS with stuff from rhapsody
<Mr_Cooger> Isn't it more like Rhapsody with stuff from MacOS? 
<SuperSpy> it is like this:  (MacOS - some MacOS API) + Rhapsody API and features
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, but my understanding was that it was Rhapsody with a transparent BlueBox. 
<SuperSpy> so what you said is correct
<SuperSpy> more rhapsody less MacOS
<SuperSpy> exactly
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<Mr_Cooger> Ah, OK. 
<Mr_Cooger> Apple has a lot of cool shit I'd hate to see die. As if Be could compete with them. 
<SuperSpy> tell me about it
<Mr_Cooger> Apple shoulda bought Be. 
<Evill> well it's not really Rhapsody with a transparent Blue Box
<Evill> the transparent blue box is the compatibility layer
<Evill> the MacOS APIs in Carbon are native
<Mr_Cooger> Ah, so there is a compatibility layer, and the carbon apis are actually native to OSX? 
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<Mr_Cooger> Anyone know what Apple's plans for games are? 
<SuperSpy> Coog, you graduate this year right?
<Mr_Cooger> No, I already graduated. I start college onthe 20th. 
<SuperSpy> which college
<Mr_Cooger> UCSB. 
<Mr_Cooger> Why? 
<SuperSpy> Santa Barbra?
<SuperSpy> just wondering
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah. 
<Mr_Cooger> It's a sucky school, but it's the only place I got accepted. 
<SuperSpy> damn, you could have been close to nick
<SuperSpy> really? I thought you had good grades
<Mr_Cooger> I thought I did too. 
<SuperSpy> where did you apply?
<Mr_Cooger> CalTech (no surprise) , Harvey Mudd (surprise) and UCLA (wtf?) 
<Evill> MrC: yes
<NeoN> Spybitch!
<SuperSpy> yes?
<NeoN> SPY!!!!!!!!
<Pfhormerl> SS!
<NeoN> Haven't seen you for a while
<SuperSpy> yes?
<Pfhormerl> Camel Fusker!
<SuperSpy> its called having no life and being a slave to the computer industry
<Pfhormerl> Bleh, I have to learn Java...
* NeoN runs up to hug Spy, but kicks him in the nuts then spits on him
<Pfhormerl> SS : I fear this.
<Pfhormerl> Of course, I have no life now.
<SuperSpy> mmmmm....spitting
<Mr_Cooger> Java rocks. 
<Pfhormerl> Got no woman, got no dog...
* Pfhormerl does his best bad blues impression...
<SuperSpy> anyone know of any other mp3 sites
<Pfhormerl> Ain't got me no friends, and my head's in a fog...
<NeoN> SS: I don't know, but i'm looking for a couple of good mp3 sites
<SuperSpy> pfhor, you still going out with that chick?
* Mr_Cooger punches Pfhor in the face. 
<Pfhormerl> Fatima?  No...
<Mr_Cooger> Get confidence, stupid! 
<Pfhormerl> heh
<NeoN> I bet jk could hook us up
<Pfhormerl> Actually, there's a chick here I have a crush on, who appears to like my apartment-mate...  :(
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<Mr_Cooger> You idiot! YOU MADE HIM GO AWAY! 
<Pfhormerl> Wow, that was quick.
<Pfhormerl> I'll bet he hears that a lot...
<Pfhormerl> Alright, Carma II time..  bbiaw
<NeoN> Coogcii?
<NeoN> er cii?
<Mr_Cooger> Huh? 
<Wood> Spy!
<NeoN> Cooger, I was going to ask you about Antiloop
<Mr_Cooger> Antiloop sucks. 
<NeoN> no way
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<NeoN> then who was it who you kept on telling me to listen to?
<Mr_Cooger> Not Antiloop. 
<Mr_Cooger> Anti-Antiloop. 
<NeoN> Sorry, that's who I thought it was
<Mr_Cooger> In fact, Loop. 
<NeoN> Pfhorbitch has Carma II? I want that shit
<Tartarus> for the pc
<NeoN> oh man, fusk that
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<Pfhormerl> Carma II pre-demo demo
<NeoN> is it cool?
<Pfhormerl> and it just crashed.
<Pfhormerl> Oh, yes.
<Pfhormerl> I want a time crack, tho
<Pfhormerl> go to www.sci.co.uk for a peek
<McP> Wood!
<McP> Carma II is fun.
<McP> Pfhor: Time crack is to remove the file Demo.txt
<McP> I kid you not.
<NeoN> shaddap you fibber
<McP> Dude, its true.
<Pfhormerl> McP : In the CII demo??
<McP> yeah
<McP> Delete Demo.txt.  Play forever.
<Pfhormerl> Let's try that.
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<Al1i> hey guys
<NeoN> hi
<NeoN> Awesome! This one kid that I partied with on Monday night has a mac, he even has it shared
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<Pfhormerl> heh
<NeoN> I didn't think he was the type.  He's kind of a jock
<McP> Jocks use Macs, huh?
<NeoN> I guess
<NeoN> makes sense, actually
<Tartarus> Who ever came up w/ the show Friends, the idiots that star in it, and whoever decieded FOX needs to carry it all need to be shot execution style.
<McP> Friends is sydicated?
<Tartarus> Here anyways.
<McP> Lucky you.
<Tartarus> Yeah.  Atleast its on when i watch something else.
<Balin> woah 
<Balin> 8:14am
<Balin> too fusken early for me
<Troll> heh
* Troll has returned to his console. Agent: training sux
<Evill> Balin: 6:14 am here
<Evill> and haven't gone to sleep yet
<Troll> damn, sound from my computer to the stereo is "punchy"
<Troll> too much bass punch
<Balin> psycho
<Troll> can't figure it out
<Balin> evill you're screwing yourself up :)
<Balin> (i like it:)
<Evill> heh
<Evill> OSX will not need extensions
<Evill> oops
<Evill> the OS is object oriented
<Unya> Adam, you at home/
<Kritter> So Balin, did she get back to you?
<Balin> not yet
<Balin> i will definelty see her today
<Balin> woops
<Balin> its amazing how much more time i spend on personal hygene when 'crushed'
<Balin> shower 4 times a day.
<Nosty> Shaving until you remove the skin?
<Balin> shaving twice  dayu
<Balin> scrubbing every inch of my body
<Balin> i even got some lip therapy stuff.
<Nosty> Balin, no need to be that clean.
<Balin> well, showering twice  aday.
<Nosty> I tend to shower twice a day in the summer.
<Balin> yeah same
<Balin> i wonder how bad it is for me to skip two meals a day
<Nosty> Why do you want to do that?
<Balin> i can't stick out any sort of gut any more. relax , or try and sick it out, i have a totally flat stomach.
<Balin> to be lean.
<Balin> i am starting at the gym this week
<Nosty> You'll end up gaining more weight by one meal a day.
<Balin> also a fitness program
<Nosty> You can't just stop eating.  You have to eat.
<Evill> heh
<Balin> not when that one meal is a glass of milk and some cheese on rice crackers
<Nosty> Do you really think this is what women want?
<Balin> no, but i wan tto feel confident.
<Balin> no one wants flab.
<Nosty> Balin, when you start to eat again, your body will take every calorie and store it.
<Balin> then i won;
<Nosty> Then you'll get sick.
<Balin> start eating again
<Evill> eh
<Nosty> Balin, just eat more sensibly.
<Evill> heh even
<Balin> i have the willpower of a psycho.
<Balin> i used to binge regularly.
<Balin> can't control your body, you can't control anythin.
<Nosty> That is what anorexia is about.
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<Evill> oops
<Balin> well, i don't think i'm doing too much harm
<Nosty> That is what anorexic girls say too.
<Mr_Cooger> Dude, listen to Nosty. 
<Mr_Cooger> She's like a doctor or something. 
<Evill> yeah Balin, you're just an anorexic girl
<Nosty> If anything, you writing letters of "I'm fucked up" is scaring her away.
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<Nosty> I'm not a doctor.
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, but you read all those medical books. 
<Tartarus> Just a freaky psych chick.
<Mr_Cooger> Who's writing letters of "I'm fucked up"? 
<Balin> nosty, i realised that was all a hoaz
<Balin> an axcuse
<Nosty> Balin, but you sent the letter, right?
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<Nosty> I'm also hardly one on nutrition, except for my own.
<Mr_Cooger> Is Balin going crazy over a girl? 
<Nosty> Yes Cooger.
<Nosty> The way to do diet and exercise is not anything rapid.
<Nosty> All the lose weight fast things are just gimmicks.
<Mr_Cooger> This is something Nosty is definitely right about. 
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<Balin> nosty i never said i was fucked up in such literal words
<Tartarus> If you're not insane most of the time anyways, it doesn't count.
<Balin> i was asking for love advise from baba_yaga, and she said something like, intriuging her with your fucked upedness if your only hope.
<Balin> which was probably the worst piece of advise i have ever recieved
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Mr_Cooger> I wonder why that works for Trent Reznor, but no one else. 
<Balin> it works when you're a good looking mofo
<Balin> tio be a fcuken cunt and not talk to anyone when i felt like it
<Balin> yes, but hopefully i have rectified it now.
<Evill> heh
<Evill> you took it seriously?
<Balin> woah
<Balin> Balinx is lagged
<Tartarus> Nah, my friend does that too.
<Nosty> I tell you why it's scary.  You always find out stuff along the way in a relationship.  If you are saying fucked up things now, it will make her wonder what scary stuff she'll find out later.
<Balin> i think i have cleared up things.
<Balin> i was completely honest, atleast to what i now currently believe
<Balin> i have tried to make the slate clean.
<Nosty> The best way is to get to know her.  See if you still like her.  Tell her you find her attractive, and you'd like to take her on a date.
<Balin> :)/
<Balin> yep
<Mr_Cooger> Don't ask her on a date. 
<Nosty> Stay away from phrases such as eleet, krad, and phat.
<Mr_Cooger> She might think you like her or something. 
<Balin> i won't
<Balin> i don't know her well enough 
<Balin> as a person.
<Tartarus> Well fix that.
<Balin> thats what i intend to do.
<Evill> this seems all common sense to me
<Balin> yeah so i don't know why i'm gettin all this advise :P
<Balin> ;)
<Balin> people just want to know the conlusion to the story
<Balin> does he get the girl?
<Balin> well i've never had one happy ending in my life so don't get your hopes up.
<Mr_Cooger> The answer is no. 
<Nosty> Oh we'll know if you get her.  You'll stay away from irc.
<Mr_Cooger> The guy never gets the girl. 
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<Mr_Cooger> Unless she's a fucked up chick he wouldn't want anyways. 
<Nosty> I really feel like going out tonight.
<Nosty> Nerd isn't going to be around.
<Evill> who?
<Balin> i just think she is a little conservative... well notreally. but... plays her cards close to her cheast
<Mr_Cooger> Her hubby. 
<Balin> chest
<Evill> heh
<Evill> term of endearment?
<Nosty> Perhaps she's just shy.
<Balin> god. cheast. sounds like huge breasts.
<Balin> a beast
<Evill> a feast
<Balin> she isn't shy. she just isn't full on
<Balin> i'm late
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<Nosty> Well, tonight is drag night at the local gay bar.
<Mr_Cooger> Don't go there, people will think you're a guy. 
<Nosty> No they won't.
<Tartarus> heh
<Nosty> The gay bars are so much fun.
<Tartarus> Dunno how many gay cross dressing midgets are in tucson.
<Tartarus> Nosty, you know?
<Nosty> No idea Tart.
<Mr_Cooger> Does that turn you on, Tart? 
<Tartarus> You know me coog.
<Nosty> It really is the only bar that you can go alone and find lots of people to talk to.
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> Wonder if a guy could go into a lesbian bar and find women to talk to..
<Nosty> Now I'm totally talking myself into going.
<Nosty> Traditionally men are shunned in a lesbian bar.
<Tartarus> You will go and you will get me a count on cross dressing midgets.
<Nosty> The reason is because so many men think they can convert women, and love the idea of taking them home in pairs.
<Nosty> It's a very bad attitude and it's threatening.
<Tartarus> heh
<Nosty> Anytime I knew a guy was gay, and I found him attractive, I was like, "Damn."  That was it.
<Nosty> I didn't want him and his friend in bed.
<Tartarus> Not supprising.
<Tartarus> Now go put on your gay bar aperel and go.
<Nosty> Then when these men get turned down, they go into sour grapes mode.  "Fucking dyke!"
<Mr_Cooger> aperel? 
<Nosty> If I go, it won't be until around 11.
<Evill> perhaps
<Evill> but there may be an element of truth to it
<Tartarus> Prolly a few mor ps or rs.
<Evill> since it has been proven that homosexuality in men is linked to a chromozone difference
<Evill> whereas in women it is psychological
<Nosty> Oh sure it is.
<Nosty> So they're just maladjusted and we can save them.  Bullshit.
<Evill> uhh chill
<Tartarus> Eun evill.
<Evill> I wasn't advocating anything
<Tartarus> Run too.
<Mr_Cooger> Lesbians are all actually men who had their dicks cut off accidentally abirth. 
<Nosty> I don't think it really matters what reason people are gay.  They shouldn't have to contruct a selective history to describe it, or call in chromosomes or genetics.  They choose to be with their own sex.  I respect that choice.
<Evill> I agree
<Troll> mmm ... lesbians.
* Troll 's mind wanders.
<Nosty> I mean, how do you feel when you find mormons on your doorstep?  That is how lesbians feel about men in their bar.
<sno> There's a difference.
<Nosty> What is it sno?
<sno> I'm thirsty. I need to go to the bathroom. I have lesbian friends. I'm not trying to convince them all to be straight.
<Unya> And the bar is a public place whereas my doorstep is not.
<Troll> neither am I
<Unya> There are very clear differences.
<Troll> I just want to watch.
<sno> Mormons on your door are trying to push their religion on you in your home.
<sno> I'm with my lesbian friends having a drink.
<Nosty> But you have to realize that many men go into lesbian bars with almost the same purpose the mormons have on your doorstep.
<Troll> heh
<sno> Prove it.
<Troll> is that how you met Matt?
<sno> Do you see a man in a lesbian bar and assume that's why he's there?
<sno> I should hope not.
<Nosty> No.
<Troll> See, if it were me, I
<Unya> This heinous insistence that any straight man in the company of one or more lesbians is inherently trying to convince the women to go straight is unforgivable.
<Troll> 'd be all like "yep, sucks being a lesbian trapped in a man's body"
<sno> But if there are mormons at your door-step, I can guarantee they're not stopping by to ask to use your telephone.
<Unya> The double standard to end all double standards.
<Unya> Brought to you by the feminist movement.
<Nosty> I didn't say that a man in the company of lesbians is tryong to convert them.
<Troll> yeah, Nosty is over compensating
<Nosty> But there are men in society that do it.
<Unya> Then what you were saying is nothing.
<Troll> rather, one of many, part of a group of women going too far
<Mr_Cooger> What is it with women saying "Well, he's male" about President Clinton. 
<Troll> its anoying.
<Mr_Cooger> WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?! 
<Tartarus> Do you all argue just for the fun of it?
<Unya> Women are seriously not helping their case by being so hairbrained about these things.
<Troll> yeah
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, the "wimmin" thing is idiotic. 
<Troll> and driving sucky doesn't help them, either.
<Nosty> People have their feelings and points based on experience.
<sno> And based on my experince, two women are better than one. One woman can't fulfill my sexual needs.
<Troll> You have them based on all these femenist psyc books.
<Troll> heh
<Mr_Cooger> I was looking around at the resources in Apple's "Multibooter 1.0d13" (their booter for MacOS X Server) and found a very interesting icon. It is like the "Happy Mac" icon, but instead of the face it has the famous Blue and Red letters "Be" with an obvoius smile underneath. I am not sure what this means, although I would take it to mean that Apple indeed has some plans for Be and the BeOS. 
<Nosty> No I don't Troll.
<Mr_Cooger> WTF? 
<Nosty> I have both.
<Troll> When was the last time you were in a lesbian bar?
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<Nosty> Last semester.
<Troll> why?
<Nosty> Because I went out with friends.
<sno> Wait a minute....
<sno> You mean...
<sno> There was a straight woman in a lesbian bar?
<sno> Could it be....
<sno> That you were who the men were looking for? Women who weren't offended by homesexuality?
<Troll> heh damn it sno
<Nosty> Sno, I didn't say a man going into a lesbian bar was always trying to convert.  However, it happens and you can't blame women if they are a bit reluctant about your presence.
<Troll> my trap! mine!
<Troll> but men excluding women from a place is unacceptable to you're femistic ways
<Nosty> You can yell and argue with me, or you can accept a reason and be aware of it.
<sno> So, if I get robbed by a black guy, it's OK for me to assume every black guy I see is going to rob me?
<Mr_Cooger> Women. You give them an inch, and suddenly they're changing your drapes. 
<Troll> sno, don't use logic, it doesn't work
<Nosty> But with many of these women it isn't just a single isolated incident.
<Troll> duh.
<Nosty> If you want to go to a lesbian bar go ahead.
<sno> So I've lived in New York all my life, and been robbed once a year. Every time by a black man. It's OK for me to assume every black man I meet is going to rob me?
<Troll> I will, and I'll order a fish sandwich, too!
<Mr_Cooger> Besides, where else are you gonna go to get some threesome action?! Huh?! 
<Nosty> It's not okay for men to have the intention in this society of wanting to convert lesbians and put them into his bed.
<sno> My point is that at the same time that women are evolving into their new place in the world, men are too. And popular feminism isn't a whole lot different in some ways than what women have been rebelling against for so many years.
<Nosty> I've heard a woman call up on the radio and complain about her gf, and the dj saying, "I know how to fix your problems.  Come over to my place a bit later."
<sno> It's not OK to want to convert a woman?
<Nosty> No it isn't.
<sno> Why is not not OK to want to convert a woman?
<Nosty> Because you aren't going to do it.  Why not just respect their decision?
<Evill> How is that any different from a guy sleazing on to a woman that isn't interested?
<Troll> um
<sno> Since when does trying hurt?
<Troll> boy nosty, have you ever loved someone you could never have?
<sno> You don't know unless you try.
<Tartarus> Because it's forcing your will on others?
<sno> Being told 'no, and persuing, that's wrong.
<Troll> you're basically saying that its wrong to due so because you'll never have them
<Nosty> Yes Troll.
<Troll> I've never heard such babble.
<Nosty> I don't know why anything I say has to be argued about.
<sno> Being interested in someone and being told that they're gay but asking them out anyway, just because you never know, that's wrong?
<sno> That's crack.
<Troll> how do you say .... sheltered and repressed life?
<sno> That's what that is.
<Troll> no kidding.
<Troll> the crack stick\bole making its presence known.
<Nosty> Okay, fine. I'm sheltered and repressed.
<Mr_Cooger> God forbid the idea that there are women who would try to convert gay men. 
<sno> If a gay man comes on to me, I have no problem with it. I'm flattered, but I say no, and he goes away.
<Mr_Cooger> That would NEVER happen. 
<Nosty> Considering I've spent more time in gay culture and reading books on the subject than either of you have.
<sno> If he persits, that's a problem.
<sno> That's a very ignorant statement.
<Nosty> Then tell me how much time you've spent in gay culture Sno.
<sno> I don't know if you know this, but, I existed prior to your meeting me and have 19 years of life that you know nothing about.
<sno> I don't have to tell you anything.
<sno> And I don't intend to.
<sno> My life is my own.
<sno> You are not entitled to any part of it.
<Tartarus> hmm
<Mr_Cooger> You're saying you've done guys? 
<Nosty> Well then don't make statements that I'm sheltered since you don't know mine.
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<sno> I didn't.
<sno> You can take that up with whoever did.
<Nosty> You seemed to agree.
<sno> I said nothing concerning the matter.
<sno> I continued my own train of thought to its conclusion.
<Nosty> I didn't say you would be thrown out of a lesbian bar or attacked if you went in.
<Mr_Cooger> This is right up there with women's night out. 
<Mr_Cooger> Or ladies night out or whatever it's called. 
<Nosty> Many men in this society do believe they can convert a woman.
<Nosty> Go read Zoe's article again.
<Mr_Cooger> No women believe they can convert men. 
<Nosty> There might be a few, but on the majority, no.
<sno> What's wrong with hoping? Many people are uncertain of their sexuality. You don't go and badger them about it. But I don't see that there is anything wrong with asking.
<Nosty> And realize my statements of "many".  I don't say all men.
<Nosty> I don't understand why any statement I make has to be argued about instead of discussed by Sno/Troll/Unya.
<sno> Because we think you're wrong?
<Mr_Cooger> Women are fickle as hell about any given issue. Sexual orientation, and suddenly you can't budge them. 
<Nosty> I'm completely wrong?
<sno> Are we not entitled to our opinion now?
<Nosty> Completely wrong about men wanting to convert lesbians?
<Unya> Yes.
<Unya> To the extent that we can offer any experience, yes.
<sno> You're making broad sweeping statements about it that by virtue of the fact that they are broad and sweeping are, yes, wrong.
<Nosty> I don't feel you guys are representative of most of american men.
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<Nosty> You've never heard a guy who believes that a lesbian just hasn't found the right guy?
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* Kritter has.
* Kritter thinks it's crap, but hey.
<Unya> I believe that someone who is incapable of loving any gender just hasn't found the right member of that gender.
<Nosty> You really should pay attention more.
<Unya> But then, I'm of the opinion that love is a personality issue.  Clearly untrue.
<sno> Yeah. I think the same thing you do about him. The difference being that I don't see anything wrong with asking. I see a woman I like, I ask her out, even with reason to believe or concrete evidence that she is a lesbian, I don't honestly think it hurts to ask. They say no, end of story. If I persisted, we would have a problem. But just asking... hey, that should be flattering. 
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<sno> I can't wait for the day when it's women who can't get men.
<sno> You'll understand then.
<Nosty> Oh, there isn't anything wrong in simply asking.
<sno> WELL THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME!
<Nosty> Asking, "Hey do you want to go to my church?" is fine.
<Nosty> I've been to mormon services with friends.
<Nosty> There is a difference in asking and wanting to convert.
<Mr_Cooger> Mmmmm....Renee Zellweger... 
<Nosty> Do you understand the difference in those concepts?
<Mr_Cooger> What if a guy goes into a lesbian bar because he heard they make the best martini in town? 
<Nosty> Do I blast men who sign up for women's studies courses?  No.  I think the low number of men is sad.
<Mr_Cooger> There's no way of knowing until he does something objectionalable. 
<sno> Where would asking stem from except wanting to convert? Do you understand anything? The distinction isn't between asking and wanting to convert, it's between asking/wanting to convert and harassing.
<Tartarus> um, coog..
<Tartarus> then he goes in and buys one.
<Tartarus> There is no "NO men allowed" sign.
<Mr_Cooger> Nosty says that lesbians don't like men in their bars. 
<Nosty> They typically are apprehensive.
<Mr_Cooger> That was what she said that started this thing. 
<Nosty> I think you mean asking/hoping sno.
<Tartarus> She stated a fact, lesbians tend to not like men in lesbian bars.
<Nosty> Hoping she might say yes, and wanting to change her ways permanently is different.
<Mr_Cooger> is it OK for white people to tend to not like black people? 
<Nosty> If you ask me, I've met butches that were more masucline than Sno.
<sno> I see a woman I think is gorgeous. I hear she's a lesbian. I'd want to convert her. No, I'd love to convert her. I hope I can. I ask. She tells me to please go fuck myself and that's the end of it. Am I wrong? Hell no. 
<Tartarus> So men hating lesbians are akin to racists?
<Troll> And you do!
<Troll> you do go fuck yourself!
<Troll> ;'D
<Troll> Seriously, though, I agree.
<Mr_Cooger> Well, yes. 
<sno> Probably.
<Nosty> I see the term converting as permanently changing her, and in a persistent manner.
<Nosty> Hoping she might find you of interest is different.
<sno> And what's wrong with wanting to do that? I ask. She says no, done. I respect the decision. Don't bother her anymore.
<Nosty> And in the case of you Sno, I don't think I ever object.
<Troll> so what is the problem with other people?
<Nosty> Troll, it's based on intent.
<sno> So take Joe Football player. He sees a woman, hear's she's a lesbian, wants to try to convert her, she says no, he leaves her alone. Is he more wrong than I because he's macho?
<Troll> intent?
<Nosty> No Sno.
<Troll> I thought sno just said he had the intent to do what you didn't like
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<Tartarus> What are we arguing again?
<Nosty> I basically see what Sno wants is, "Hey, wanna visit my church sometime" rather than, "I want to make you mormon for the rest of your life."
<sno> I meet a hard core lesbian who is the woman of my dreams. She is everything I could ever want in a woman. This woman can make me happier than any woman on the face of this planet. I'm in love like never before. I am a man! I'm a damn good-looking one. Women would be fools not to want me! NO ONE CAN RESIST ME! "Want to go out?" - "No." - "OK." 
<Nosty> And the arguments that go with it.  "You know, it's only found to be psychological in women.  You could be straight."
<Evill> or are you referring to, wanting to convert just for the challenge?
<Evill> I wasn't implying that before
<Troll> what you're saying is basically that "lesbians don't like jerks" ... well, duh.
<Evill> since obviously there are a ton of other psychological conditions that can't just be cured that simply
<Troll> once again, you're saying that all men, except your precious sno, has the mormon intent.
<Mr_Cooger> Troll, women think all men are jerks. 
<Nosty> For some men, it's the challenge of thinking that they're just irresistable and have this power over all women.
<Evill> that's something totally different then
<Troll> we're talking 2-3% of the population here nosty
<Troll> from which you're saying all men are like this.
<Nosty> I've taken Matt to my feminist coffee gatherings.  He was welcomed.
<Nosty> I didn't say all men.
<Nosty> I said some, many, etc.
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, but Matt is obviously whipped by now. 
<sno> The distinction lies in the difference between thinking, and acting. I can think a lot of things. You probably wouldn't like most of the things I think. But I don't act on them.
<Mr_Cooger> Men get whipped as a survival reaction to marriage. 
<Nosty> He's hardly whipped.
<Pfhormerl> Who knows good mp3 search sites>
<Mr_Cooger> After a few years, they're spending weekends moving furniture around and everything. 
<sno> I think I'm the greatest thing women will ever no. No man is better in bed. No one more good looking. I am a man to put all other men to shame. People should fall to their knees and worship me for how damn cool I am. No lesbian in the world could say no to me. "Want to go out?" - "Please go fuck yourself." - "OK then."
<sno> think.
<sno> Act.
<sno> Thought.
<sno> Action.
<sno> Differnce.
<Evill> but most straight women I know would be turned off just as much by that attitude anyway
<Nosty> That is very true Evil.
<Evill> so I see there is very little difference.. the issue is the attitude and the ego of these particular men
<sno> Agreed. I don't think it's a good attitude for anyone to have. But it makes the point. There is nothing wrong with wanting, asking, thinking, hoping, or being damned sure that you can, convert a lesbian. What's wrong is continuing in any way shape or form once they say no.
<Nosty> I go into lesbian bars with the idea of just going out with friends or having a good time.  I don't think of bringing home a woman to feed to my husband and myself.
<sno> If you don't ask, you'll never know.
<Nosty> Okay, but there are men who make the attempt.
<sno> Men who harrass them?
<Nosty> Attempt of being persistent.
<sno> That's wrong.
<sno> As I've said about a dozen times now.
<sno> No harm in asking.
<Nosty> i'd take any guy I thought would behave appropriately into a lesbian bar.
<Mr_Cooger> Bah, this is all BS. Women were happier when they were unhappy. 
<Mr_Cooger> Or men were at aleast. 
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<Nosty> In fact, I'm sure in the next year I'll be going with a friend of mine who is strongly considering becoming a woman.
<sno> Behaviour. Yes. Behaviou and action. the things you judge a person by.
<sno> I'm not wrong or a bad person if I go with you into a lesbian bar being damned sure that I'm going to leave with a former lesbian.
<sno> If I don't act like an asshole while I'm there.
<Nosty> Exactly Sno.
<sno> Which is what I've been saying all along.
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<sno> Now, women being offended by the sight of a man in their bar? That's wrong.
<Evill> it's no different to a man going into a straight bar and being persistent with a straight woman that clearly isn't interested
<sno> Precisely!
<Nosty> But acting like a missionary from the church of heterosexuality is wrong.
<sno> Acting.
<sno> Acting.
<Troll> wich so few people do
<sno> Not thinking.
<Troll> err which
<Mr_Cooger> Whoever ever said it was right? 
<Nosty> Troll, you'd be surprised.
<sno> So it's not the intent that matters then is it?
<Nosty> Intent usually shapes actions.
<Nosty> As I said, why is it anything I say is automatically attacked?
<Mr_Cooger> Hey, fuck you. It is not! 
<sno> I have every intention of walking into a lesbian bar and walking out with a former lesbian. I walk in, I find me a lesbian, and I say to her, "Hey there, can I buy you dinner?" - "Die." - "Very well then." And I meekly leave.
<sno> Did I do anything wrong?
<sno> No.
<Nosty> I was totally getting msg's of, "What have you done to Sno/Unya/Troll?"
<sno> It's attacked when we feel wronged by it.
<sno> Or when we feel you're wrong.
<Nosty> I'm not tho.
<Evill> I believe you did jump to conclusions about what we (or at least myself) thought or felt was right
<Nosty> And I do feel it's wrong to try to go in as a missionary.
<Mr_Cooger> Nosty, aren't you a Christian? A relgigion that practically invented the word "missionary"? 
<Nosty> Yes, I'm a christian.
<Nosty> Which for the most part, I'm rather weary about chanting because of what comes to peoples minds.
<sno> You said that it was not OK to want to convert a woman. I feel you are flat out wrong. I just gave you a ton of examples of how there is nothing wrong with wanting to. Wanting to, and then being a dick based off of that desire, that's wrong.
<Nosty> I don't try to press my personal views of God onto others unlike some.
<Tartarus> So we're spliting hairs?
<sno> Yes, actually, but on an important detail. Because I know lesbian women who I want to convert. Or, to put it bluntly, whom I'd love to shag.
<Nosty> There are many groups that believe that homosexuality is wrong.  That it is a treatable illness in which people can be cured by converting them back to heterosexuality.
<sno> If you took what Nosty said at face value, then I'm a bad person.
<sno> Naturally I'm not going to feel that I am.
<sno> Wanting and being respectful and wanting and acting and persuing in the face of being asked not to.
<sno> That's the distinction you are looking for.
<Tartarus> god damn, B5 and south park are at 10 on wed. now, and B5 is at 6 weekdays
<Tartarus> fuck fuck fuck
<Nosty> Sno, I think you have the hope.  A wish.  Not to alter and change them permanently.
<McP> sno has a fantasy
<sno> What's wrong with wanting to change them permanently?
<Nosty> Asking for an exception is different.
<Nosty> People tend to not like it.
<Nosty> They act defensively.
<sno> I don't think that mormons are wrong for coming to my door. I brought them up as an example of juding people based on their appearance. A man in a woman's bar is not the same as a mormon with a bible on your doorstep. 
<sno> They say no and you accept that and you bother them no more.
<sno> There is nothing wrong with that.
<Nosty> No, it isn't.  A man wanting to convert women is like a mormon on your doorstep.
<sno> And you know a man wanting to convert women on sight?
<McP> Ack!  My sun mouse isn't working.
<sno> Moreover, a mormon on your doorstep is not wrong.
<sno> He asks, you say no, he goes away.
<Nosty> If they are persistant.
<sno> If he stands out on your lawn preaching at you, you have a problem.
<sno> That's what the fuck I have been saying this whole time.
<Nosty> Then why don't you simply ask instead of jumping to conclusions about what I say?
<Mr_Cooger> Why don't you express yourself more clearly? 
<sno> Because that wasn't what you said. How else would you interpret, "Wanting to convert women is wrong." Is wanting to convert people from their religion wrong? There's nothing wrong with wanting. Taking it beyond that point is wrong.
<sno> What you said oringinally bears no resemblance at all to what I said.
<sno> It's indicative of a new feminist contempt for men.
<sno> Which is wrong.
<Nosty> Do you think I have that for men?
<sno> Nope.
<sno> I said it was indictative of something in a popular movement.
<Nosty> I welcome anybody into the feminist movement.
<Evill> heh this is pointless
<sno> I'm glad.
<Evill> everyone's arguing the same thing and not realising it
<sno> Sort of.
<Nosty> As long as they are sincere, I don't have a problem with it.
<Pfhormerl> Damn.
<Pfhormerl> sonofabitch
<sno> I'm being anal about the wording because as it was worded, it included me as people who are wrong. I may well be, but I am naturally going to be inclined to feel that I am not and will defend myself.
<sno> As I have done.
<Nosty> Converting usually means a permanence.
<Nosty> Converting iron ore into steel for example.
<sno> There's nothing wrong with permanence either.
<sno> Do you think mormons on your doorstep don't hope you'll be a mormon for life?
<sno> Hell no.
<Nosty> Yes, that is what they want.
<McP> Pfhor: That time fix worked, I take it?
<sno> And there's nothing wrong with that.
<Pfhormerl> I didn't get to test it thoroughly...
<Pfhormerl> Ended up doin other stuff...
<Evill> outta here
<Evill> later
<Pfhormerl> I played one and it was OK.
<sno> They ask, you say no. Maybe you go once and then say no. The ask, and the moment you say no, they drop it.
<sno> End of story.
<Nosty> What is so wrong with lesbianism to want her to be heterosexual for life?
<Pfhormerl> The next time I played, I got wiped out in 2 seconds.
<Pfhormerl> Like, literally.
<Nosty> I don't ask my ex-lovers to be heterosexual for life.
<sno> Maybe that's just the way I feel.
<Pfhormerl> Just when you sleep with them?
<sno> Maybe I feel that lesbianism goes against god.
<sno> I'm entitled to my feelings.
<Pfhormerl> Hey, McP : I've got to write a B&W drawing applet.  Where should I start?
<sno> But I respect people's right to be what they want to be.
<McP> main()
<Pfhormerl> Like, what kind of framework do I need to build on?
<Nosty> Which is what I said earlier, wasn't it Sno?
<sno> And I don't harras them about it.
<sno> What you said earlier was that "wanting to convert women is wrong." Which is bullshit.
<Pfhormerl> Heh, the ora book doesn't use a main.
<Nosty> Prior to that.
<sno> That is the only point on which I have been arguing.
<Nosty> I said I didn't care why people were gay.  I don't feel they should have to construct a selective history on why they are gay, or come up with some chromosomal answer.  It's their choice.  Why not respect that?
<McP> Pfhor: I don't know much about front end shit.  I can find out some stuff for you, though.
<Pfhormerl> Nah...
<sno> Prior to that, you said you respect people's right to be what they want to be. On that point, I agree. Never argued that point. So if a man who want's to convert women travels the country asking women if they are interested in heterosexuality, getting people telling him no all along the way, and he then leaves them alone and moves on, he is not wrong.
<Pfhormerl> don't worry about it, I do have the ora book...
<Pfhormerl> Fuck.
<Pfhormerl> Metros are losing 2-0 in the first fucking half
<sno> No one is asking them to provide a three page essay supporting their sexuality, Nosty.
<Nosty> Can you understand if women get irritated at him?
<sno> Certainly.
<sno> Is he wrong?
<sno> No.
<Nosty> Can you understand if they are apprehensive?
<sno> Is she wrong for being irritated? No.
<Nosty> I think daily life in this culture asks the question, "Are you sure you don't want to be heterosexual?"
<sno> Can they be apprehensive? Sure. Never argued that. All I have been arguing is that it is not wrong to want to convert people from anything.
<Nosty> There are certainly more privledges for heterosexuals.
<sno> I don't see that, but that's not the issue that I am arguing.
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<sno> I agree that there is prejudice against all kinds of people that shouldn't be there. Which includes some lesbian prejudice against men. In any case, I never took it upon myself to argue any of those things. What I said, was that it was not wrong to want to convert people.
<Nosty> It's not wrong, but you can understand if these women eventually ask this guy to leave.
<Nosty> It is their place.
<sno> It's a detail, I'll be the first person to say that. I am splitting hairs. But I do so because were I to accept it as you said it, I would be in the wrong.
<sno> Sure.
<sno> Never argued that ethire.
<Pfhormerl> heh
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<sno> You don't have to like what I think. You don't have to like it when I say, "Boy! That lesbo is hot! Boy would I love to shag her and make her see the light!" But I can say that here, then go ask her, "Excuse me miss, I was wondering if you'd like to go out to dinner?" and she can say, "No," and I leave her alone, and I've done nothing wrong. I've probably offended you in the process, and that's not right, but it's a seperate issue.
<Nosty> Also realize if I get rather hostile after being told I'm ignorant and sheltered.
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<sno> You don't have to like what I think but you have to respect my right to think it.
<Pfhormerl> No we don't.
<Pfhormerl> :P
<Pfhormerl> Make me.
<sno> I respect a woman's right to say, "No, I'm a lesbian, bugger off you stick of meat," and she respects my right to say, "Hey would you like to go out to dinner?" even if that stems from my being the Grand Dragon of the church of wanting to convert women.
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<sno> The thought by itself is not wrong.
<sno> The thought in the presence of a supporting action, that's wrong.
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<Nosty> Converting also usually implies that you find something wrong with their form to begin with.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Nosty> Perhaps I should use alter along with convert.
<sno> I don't have to think you're right.
<sno> I have to respect your right to be wrong though.
<Nosty> No you don't Sno.
<sno> Yes, I do.
<sno> Lesbianism is wrong.
<sno> Homosexuality is bad.
<Nosty> I referred to your statement on "I don't have to think you're right."
<sno> You'll go to hell.
<Nosty> And in that case, no, you don't have to think I'm right.
<sno> Ah, ok, then.
<Nosty> Obviously you don't think I'm right about Jesus.
<sno> Nope. I respect your right to be wrong.
<Nosty> That is all I ask for.
<Nosty> I think that is all gay people ask for, their decision to be respected.
<sno> Indeed. As do I.
<Nosty> I would never want to make you a christian, Sno.
<sno> Say you did though.
<sno> You wouldn't be wrong to want to.
<sno> I wouldn't care if you asked.
<Nosty> I don't even care if my children become christians.
<sno> If you persisted after I said no, I'd be annoyed and you'd be harrasing me.
<sno> You can want it all you like. You can think I'l burn in hell.
<Nosty> I also feel that there is enough opportunity in this culture to become a christian.  It surrounds us.
<sno> I respect your right to be wrong.
<Nosty> I also hope you don't get offended if you get a christmas card.
<Nosty> I think getting a christmas card, or whatever card just means the person was thinking of you.
<sno> I don't agree with the people who want to change my religion, or my sex, but I can respect their right to be completely wrong in their thoughts about the world as they respect my right not to indulge in their idioc.
<sno> For people like me, Christmas is just another holiday.
<Nosty> As long as nobody tries to take my tree, I'm happy.
<Nosty> I don't care if it's pagan.  I love my tree.
<McP> LONDON (Reuters) - About 100 people in 12 countries were arrested Wednesday in what police said was the biggest ever worldwide swoop on pedophiles operating on the Internet.
<sno> Human sexuality is an issue that floats somewhere between religion and race. On one hand you can have your feelings about it and argue it, and the other you need to leave people alone about it.
<Nosty> I only feel strongly about sex that is non-consentual.
<Nosty> Otherwise, I don't care what people want to do.
<sno> People have no choice over the color of their skin. People have total choice over their religion. Do people have a choice about their sexual orientation? That's still being debated.
<sno> Proven that they don't then to want to convert them would be no different than trying to get black people to be white. Stupid, wrong, insulting, and likely to get you shot.
<Nosty> There are always exception in human sexuality.
<sno> Then it would be wrong to want to convert a woman.
<sno> For now, it is not.
<sno> It is wrong to harras them.
<sno> But there's no harm in asking.
<sno> It would be wrong to try to manipulate their world in any way as a method of conversion.
<sno> Meaning that it is wrong to prejudice against them in other places such as the workplace.
<sno> But it is not wrong to want to convert them.
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<sno> Not so long as it cannot be proven that they have no choice in the matter.
<Nosty> Well people always have choices, no matter what.
<sno> No.
<Nosty> Yes.
<sno> Uh, no. It could be proven that people have no choice about their sexuality.
<sno> People have no choice over their race.
<sno> It's a Big Fucking Differnce, since your sexuality isn't written all over you.
<sno> But not respecting that people are just born that way, that's wrong.
<Nosty> I meant in issues or matters.
<Nosty> I didn't say inheirant qualities.
<sno> Well I was very specifically talking about sexuality and the specific instance of a hypothetical situation in which it can be proven that people don't have a choice in their sexuality.
<Nosty> I believe for the most part it is biology.
<sno> I think it doesn't matter. There is no proof of anything yet. So there is nothing wrong with wanting to convert people so long as there is reason to believe that they have no choice.
<sno> Er, that they have a choice.
<sno> There was some movement (and there may still be) that was trying to get gays and lesbians recognized as a minority.
<Nosty> They are.
<sno> That, IHMO, is an insult to real minorites. You can have your sexuality without wearing it as a badge, like your skin color.
<Nosty> There are many minorities in our culture.
<sno> There are indeed problems in this society pertaining to prejudices against homosexuality and against various races. They are all wrong. But I agree weth the black woman who said it to me when she said that putting the issue of human sexuality on the same level as race is an insult.
<Nosty> Under the concept of minority, it is a group that is disadvantaged.
<Nosty> Are homosexuals in our country disadvantaged?  Are there stigmas and the like attached to them?  yes.
<Nosty> Homosexuals are disadvantaged in our systems, politically, economically, and culturally.
<sno> But you don't have to wear your sexuality as a badge. If your sexuality comes into play when you're in a job interview, then your just an idiot for talking about it. You can't hide your race. You should not have to hide either, but putting discrimination against homosexuality on the same level as discriminination against race is like comparing nearly anything to WWII and the concentration camps.
<sno> They share many of the same qualities of how they are wrong, to be sure, but they're different matters.
<Nosty> Sno, this is sociological definitions.  We also didn't say that all minorities are equally disadvantaged.
<Nosty> Are hispanics as disadvantaged as blacks for instance?
<sno> Then we may as well go in for minorites of religion. And I can be one too because I'm a Satanist. Are there social stigmas against Satanists? Yes.
<Unya> 666
<Nosty> Sno, I'm just echoing sociological definitions.
<Unya> You're no more a satanist than you are a catholic.
<Unya> Unless that was purely a measure of comparison.
<Pfhormerl> Hey, McP, Javac sucks.
<Nosty> If you are a protestant family in an irish-catholic neighborhood, yes you could say you are a minority.
<Mr_Cooger> Yes, it does. 
<Mr_Cooger> Use Microsoft's Java compiler. 
<Nosty> You will certainly be treated as a subordinate.
<Mr_Cooger> Javac is a pain. 
<Pfhormerl> Eww
<Pfhormerl> MS anything.
<Pfhormerl> Eww
<Mr_Cooger> Sun uses MS's Java compiler. 
<sno> And I'm not saying thatyou're wrong. I'm saying that while the two issues share many of the same qualities, counting homosexuals as minorities and given them special consideration is an insult to true minorities like blacks, hispanics, Native Americans, etc.
<Unya> counting anyone as a minority and giving them special considerations is an insult to anyone.
<Nosty> I don't think you can equate a sexual minority with a racial one.
<sno> You should not have to hide your sexuality, or your religion, but unlike your race, you can hide it.
<sno> Good.
<Nosty> But they are subjected to many things that racial minorities are subjected to.
<Nosty> People with disabilities are a minority.
<Nosty> Many of them you can't tell by just looking at them.
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<sno> Agreed. They are both very big problems that need resolution.
<Mr_Cooger> Cool. I'm flat-footed. I'm a minority.
<Nosty> The point is they are disadvantaged.  It is debatable with comparing with another group.
<sno> I'm left-handed. I'm a minority.
<Nosty> Yes you are Sno.
<sno> I just said that.
<Tartarus> Die lefty scum!
<Kritter> there are groups for lefties.
<sno> There is tuition-assistance for left-handed people.
<Nosty> Are you as disadvantaged as a black person?  No.
<sno> Who else in here is left-handed?
<Nosty> I am.
<sno> Am I disadvantaged? No.
<sno> Period.
* Kritter is only left handed when he wants it to feel like someone else.
<Tartarus> I'm ambidexterous.
<sno> You are?
<Tartarus> And damned i i spelled that right.
<sno> I need to become right-handed real fast.
<Nosty> I don't think disadvantaged is either yes or no.  I think it's a scale.
<sno> You're on crack if you thing lefties are disadvantaged in society.
<Mr_Cooger> I have a small prick. I'm disadvantaged. 
<Troll> heh
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<Spht> _fudgeHQ_ Welcome to the chicken channel.
<fudge> hey
<Nosty> I do think that for the most part homosexuals are recognized as a minority group.
<sno> Give it time. It's probably an even 50/50.
<Nosty> I forget how many, but there are still many states where you can be fired from your job because of your homosexual preference.
<Mr_Cooger> Delaware, probably. 
<Mr_Cooger> And Virginia
<sno> South Carolina wouldn't suprise me.
<Nosty> I think that certainly qualifies of disadvantaged.
* Kritter wonders why Nosty actioned him.
<Nosty> Kritter, it's nostyscript.
<sno> Yes, and it's wrong. But why are you flaunting your sexual orientation at work?
<Troll> fudge!
<sno> The point being that you can hide it, though you absolutely should not have to.
<Nosty> Who says you have to flaunt it?  Your boss sees you outside a gay bar.
<Tartarus> watercooler talk?
<Mr_Cooger> What was he doing outside a gay bar? 
<Nosty> Or simply talking about your boyfriend.
<Kritter> 'splain.
<Nosty> At work you do share a bit of your personal life.  I don't think it's called flaunting it.
<Nosty> You get invited out by co-workers, you say, "Can I bring my gf or bf?"
<Troll> can I bring my two bi-sexual women?
<Nosty> In some states, how dare you even mention your love interest is of the same sex as you.
<Nosty> Troll, wanna go to a bookstore with me?
* Kritter wants someone to explain nostyscript.
* sno wants to get nerd hard hot sex love blowjob
<Nosty> Nostyscript will message you if you say certain keywords in an action.
<sno> "Nerd only gets hard when I touch him."
<Troll> rih - rih -rih retarded.
* Kritter is only left handed when he wants it to feel like someone else.
<Nosty> Don't forget feel.
<sno> It's wierd and not going away.
<Nosty> blowjob is not a nostyscript word.
<Kritter> that reply from you seems too much like Beavis and Butthead.
<Nosty> either is hot or love.
* Troll feels like shooting someone in the face with a bazooka
<sno> Kritter, may I suggest getting your hand numb and doing it?
<Kritter> 'heh heh heh he said feel
<Nosty> Well, that was about the time of Beavis and Butthead.
<Nosty> I suppose I should revamp to southpark stuff.
* Kritter feel
<fudge> where the hell is troll?
* Kritter feel someone
<Kritter> found em.
<Nosty> I thought that I was supposed to say random stuff regularly?
<sno> Playing with Chariman Mao.
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<fudge> right now, it seems impossible to me that I was going to bed at 4am just two weeks ago, because I'm ready to go to sleep right now.
<Nosty> Sno, wanna do anything tonight?
<Nosty> Ask your beefcake roomies.
<sno> I was.
<sno> "What was she thinking?"
<Mr_Cooger> Beefcake! BEEFCAKE!!! 
<sno> Meaning, "what were you thinking of doing?"
<sno> Not, "That crackwhore, what was she thinking asking us to do something?"
<Nosty> Hehehe :)
<fudge> how uncoogerly.
<Nosty> There are movies to watch.
<sno> Hm.
<Nosty> I'd be happy to just get a pint of ice cream and watch a movie that Nerd would never want to see.
* sno goes to see what movies are out.
<Nosty> I'll rent something at Blockbuster if need be.
<Stomp> Boooorn freeee... Free as the wind blows.
<Stomp> I'm another day older and further out of debt.
<Nosty> Stomp, happy unbirthday to you.
<Stomp> And if I were to grow enormous breasts, I could sing about workin' nine to five.
<Stomp> And my life burned down.
<Stomp> But now I have a 4.3G drive.
<Nosty> I really had to convince Nerd to watch Scent of a Woman.
<Stomp> I could also have a 1.2, but I refuse to reformat it.
<Nosty> He actually liked the movie once he got past the title.
<sno> What debt, Stomp?
<Stomp> The debt I used to have.
<Stomp> To GTE, ISP, ETC.
<sno> Oh.
<Stomp> Which I payed off a while ago, anyway.
<Stomp> But now i've got a job.
<Nosty> I'm not supposed to rent any Oliver Stone flicks.
<fudge> could my monitor possibly be getting fuzzy because it is overheating?
<Stomp> Your monitor is overheating because it hates you.
<Stomp> Turn it off and go sit in a corner.
<Nosty> You have no idea how I had to argue with Nerd about watching Joy Luck Club because it's a Stone film.
<Nosty> Anyway, i need to wander away for a bit.  Nerd is going to be gone until like 2am.
<Stomp> Black and white telnet sucks.
* Stomp commences tweaking
<Nosty> Perhaps I should have you guys watch The Lover with me.  I haven't seen it in years.
<Stomp> That guy has a nice ass.
<Stomp> er.
<Nosty> The guy in the lover?
<Nosty> Oh, he's very attractive.
<Stomp> What guy?
<sno> What's the website for the theatre near us/
<Nosty> Oh, go to starnet and get the movie times.
<Nosty> Go for the GKC or Crossroads.
<Nosty> Crossroads Festival.
<Nosty> I know that the Jim Carrey movie is playing there.
<Kritter> The Jim Carrey movie?
<Kritter> Truman Show?
<Nosty> Truman Show.
<fudge> If you haven't seen it, I have lost respect.
<Nosty> I have not seen it.
<fudge> Definitely go see it if it is playing, it is very worth it on the big screen.
<sno> Oooooh!
<sno> "You are NOT in control!
<sno> Must.... see....
<Troll> dude we need food.
<sno> Bah.
<Troll> get nick, go shopping.
<sno> We need to see a movie.
<sno> We can starve.
<Troll> I'm hungry as ass.
<sno> But we need to see The Negotiator.
<sno> How do you feed a hungry ass? Invite Wood over!
<Mr_Cooger> The Negotiator was good. 
<Nosty> Okay, I'll see the negotiator.
<sno> It was Samuel L. Jackson and Kevin Spacey. What else would it be?
<Nosty> What time?
<Nosty> Let's go to the late showing if you don't mind.
<Nosty> I kinda need to eat and stuff.
<sno> Well, I have no idea if we're going or not.
<sno> I have to find Nick.
<Nosty> Well tell ya what, phone me when you decide.
<sno> What's a phone?
<Nosty> I'm going to wander away from my term.
<Nosty> Sno, it's that item you always place in your pocket.
<Nosty> And no, not your wallet or keys.
<Kritter> on vib mode, near your crotch.
<Nosty> His phone doesn't have vibe mode.
<Nosty> I have the same model.  I would know if it did :)
<Kritter> but you know he'd use it.
<Nosty> Do men get off on vibrating objects externally?
<Mr_Cooger> Only if it's a human female. 
<sno> Only if it's a woman, vibrating from excitement at my touch.
<Nosty> That is what I figured. :)
<Kritter> S 3
<McP> You bunch of heterosexuals.
<Kritter> lick me McP.
<Nosty> If Slim ever comes back, I promise not to act so heterosexual.
<Nosty> Unless we can appoint someone as a second channel female for me.
<McP> Well, I doubt slim will make many visits.
<Mr_Cooger> Damn you McP. 
<Nosty> Well until then, all I have is a bunch of randy men.
<Mr_Cooger> You didn't show up at Seybold. And I flew all that way. 
<fudge> Hehe. The international martial arts page for the deaf has a midi soundtrack.
<sno> I'm not randy.
<Nosty> Cooger, wanna be the channel woman?
<sno> I induce randyness though.
<fudge> Supposed to be japanese music or something.
<Kritter> they can touch the speakers.
<Nosty> Wait, where is Stomp.
<Nosty> He can be the channel woman!
<McP> I sincerely would have if there wasn't a sense of urgency with what I'm working on.
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<Nosty> I need Stomp as a stand-in female.
<McP> Wood is the one who wore a dress.
<Nosty> I'm sure Stomp would put on a dress for me.
<Tartarus> thought sno did too.
<Nosty> So has Rolend.
<Tartarus> So there's 3 standin wimmin.
* Troll ponders what he'll be for holloween
<Nosty> Troll, wanna be a woman?
<Troll> no
<Troll> ahh, corpse!
<Nosty> I bet I have stuff that would fit you.
<Troll> I'll be a corpse!
<Troll> now, what did I die from, that's the question
<Nosty> Stroke.
<Nosty> Heart Attack.
<Tartarus> being a man in womans close!
<Tartarus> clothes too
<Tartarus> if thats wrong, fuckit
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<Nosty> I'm just apprehensive about using Sno as a stand-in woman.  He might convert me into a heterosexual :)
<Tartarus> heh
<Troll> heh
* Nosty licks Troll's clit.
<Tartarus> slinkies rock
<fudge> fuckin' gross
<Tartarus> Yeah, fuckin' gross.
<Mr_Cooger> You guys are just jealous she didn't lick your clit. 
<Troll> heh
<Tartarus> That too.
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<Nosty> I can't wait to see Troll's bleached locks.
<fudge> It looks pretty cool.
<fudge> Just refer to that picture of his hair bleached on the marathon page.
<Nosty> But I can't feel my monitor.
<Nosty> Well, I can, but it isn't the same.
<fudge> You should bleach your pubes to compensate.
<Nosty> That would probably hurt.
<Nosty> Although more likely to hurt on a woman.
<Mr_Cooger> Heh.
<Nosty> Hmmm.
<McP> Cool, there's a web cam aimed at the progress of PacBell Park
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<NeoN> hey all
<fudge> 'lo neon
<Bovino> Moo
<NeoN> heh, I be kickin all ass at Marathon on campus
<NeoN> I was playing against two other guys through the RESNET and I heard one of them come through on the mic and say "Nobody's that fuckin' good.." or something like that
<Unya> Where are all the movie listings on StarNet?
<NeoN> Some people hate playing after they get their asses beat, but these foo's kept comin' back for more
<fudge> heh
<Bovino> No more stats?
<Unya> Playing Quake at StarNet has been a relatively uneven challenge.
<Unya> Tyler, where are our movie listing pages?
<Bovino> Unya: go to daily news and search for "movie"
<Unya> I cannot find them.
<Unya> Oh.
<fudge> why so?
<Unya> That's logical... or something.
<NeoN> Unya: that's cause quake is uneven
<NeoN> I hate network play in Quake
<NeoN> because when people want to prove they are good, they can be so cheap
<NeoN> Marathon's levels are far more balanced
<Bovino> quake is shit
<Troll> it all comes down to this: if you kill more people, you win
<Bovino> They can "suidicde" you with rockets, except unlike in marathon, they don't die
<Troll> being "cheap" lets you stay alive and kill more, its like saying "don't play better than me!"
<NeoN> Everyone that I've ever gotten my ass kicked by in Quake thinks they are the shit
<NeoN> I don't think I'm the shit, I know I'm not
<fudge> nick, how good are you in marathon compared to sno?
<NeoN> and no matter how good I am, I can be killed quite often
<Unya> I don't know if it's appropriate for me to answer that.
<NeoN> Vaca: yeah, I think the whole the fact that all levels have just one rocket launcher, maybe two, lots of shields and quad damage powerups makes Quake an extremely cheap game
<Bovino> It's really horrible
<Bovino> this wucks
<Bovino> bye bye
<NeoN> All Quake players do is get the shields, get the rocket, kill some people, get more shields, get quad damage, kill more people, kill even more people, get more shields, kill people, etc..
<Unya> Fudge, ask someone else.
<fudge> nick, pretty close?
<NeoN> Unya's very good
<Unya> I don't recall it being close, no.
<NeoN> There were soo many instances where you shot at me at GMT and I thought for sure I should've died
<NeoN> Infact, I know I should've
<NeoN> I think I played close to my best during GMT
<NeoN> not at all times, but on Saturday I thought I played well
<NeoN> and Thursday night too
<NeoN> That was so much fun.  I wish we could do it again
<fudge> tell unya er, you
<fudge> bah
<Troll> fudge
<Troll> sup?
<Unya> I played my best ever in the general area of the first GMT.
<fudge> I play my best ever right about now, or two months ago.k
<Unya> Well, come back out and I will play you.
<fudge> I keep improving the more I play, although I've played net marathon for more than 2 and a half years now.
<fudge> Nick, I will do everything I can to come back there next summer, or maybe before.
<fudge> I miss you, troll, and sno a lot.
<NeoN> I have a hell of a schedule tomorrow
<NeoN> 8:00am class though, that sucks
<NeoN> I do wonder if I'll have a Comp Sci 302 discussion tomorrow
<NeoN> seeing as it is the first day of that class, I doubt it
<NeoN> I also hate my Math 114 TA.  I can't understand what he says half of the time
<Mr_Cooger> What do you do in that math class? 
<NeoN> Algebra and Trig
<NeoN> We took a 3 proble quiz today.  I so fucked up on the last problem
<NeoN> er problem
<NeoN> My Comp Sci 110 should be worth way more than 1 credit
<Mr_Cooger> What do you do in that? 
<NeoN> it's basically like an introduction to C++
<NeoN> but I have to be there at 8am, so I think I should get atleast 2 credits for that
<NeoN> That's a hefty walk too
<NeoN> I should hit the sack by 11:00
<NeoN> Fridays are my best day though.  Just one class
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<NeoN> at 8:50, then I'm done after that
<Pfhormerl> 8 am?  5 credits min...
<Pfhormerl> should be :)
<NeoN> no shit
<NeoN> only an 8 week course though
<Bovino> how long is the class?
<NeoN> then i won't have to be to class until 11
<NeoN> um.. hour and 15 minutes
<Bovino> twice a week?
<NeoN> yeah
<Bovino> Noramlly that would bea  3 credit class.  But  3/2 (8 weeks) = 1.5, so they rounded down
<Bovino> My labs used to meet once a week for 3 hours and we'd only get one crtedit.  Now that really blew goats too.  It was a whole lotts frustration
<Bovino> I hate journalists
<Bovino> djsgf;sdufds
<Bovino> glisdhjfg
<Bovino> dsg
<Bovino> dfsg
<Bovino> dsf
<Tartarus> good ole stupid south park
<Bovino> Shoot me damn it
<Bovino> these people are worthless
<Nosty> You shouldn't say that in Arizona, Vaca.
<Troll> Vaca, go burn a !!!!!!!!::: W A R E Z :::!!!!!!!! CD
* NeoN is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<Nosty> Hehehe.
<Troll> but don't be subtle.
<Troll> did nerd tell you about that nosty?
<NeoN> heh, that fuck.mp3 rules
<Nosty> That really pissed off Nerd.
<Nosty> Well I told Nerd about your first day and the guy asking if he can have extra starnet cd's for burning.
<Troll> it pisses me off, too
<Nosty> Cuz he's got juarez.
<Troll> god
<Troll> he asked "can I download like 540 MB file and burn it to CD at work?"
<Troll> and Dave goes "as long as it's not warez"
<Nosty> Yeah, then Nerd told me that yesterday.
<Nosty> That really pissed him off.
<Troll> he goes "aww, damn"
<Troll> 2 days in a row
<Troll> uhg
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<Nosty> Oh, and asking how to get around the modem thing.
<Troll> I don't want him in the same STATE as me
<Troll> yeah
<Nosty> Don't worry.
<Troll> if he gets nights and I don't, I go bannana
<Nosty> Of course, they could've hired Sno or me.
<Nosty> But no.
<Nosty> It's Mr. Warez Boi.
<Nosty> I have nothing against warez.  However, it's like sex.  "Hey, can I bring in my gf and fuck her on the desk?"
<Troll> there's warez boyz like me, and then there are warez monkeys like him
<Troll> "HEEEK HOOOK HAAAAK! I NEED MORE WAREZ FROM WORK! AHH AHH HEEEK!"
<Troll> (monkey noises)
<Nosty> Troll, are we doing something tonight?
<Troll> yeah, sitting at home, in our respective houses.
* Troll looks around and checks.
<Nosty> Ahhh, I see.
<Troll> yep, I'm at home.
<Troll> :)
<Nosty> I'm not sitting home tonight.
<Nosty> Hey Vaca, wanna go to IBT's?
<Nosty> When are you going to hit 21?
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<Troll> where you going?
<Troll> me?
<NeoN> hey Lothwhore
<Nosty> No, Vaca.
<Troll> in 2 years
<Troll> ah
<NeoN> my sister got an iMac too
<Troll> ah
<Nosty> I just really feel like hitting ibt's.
<Lothy> Neat.
<Nosty> I should just call up my friend Steve.
<Lothy> Is there any way to heal raw-rubbed skin any faster?
* Lothy 's in some major pain.
<NeoN> heh
<Troll> lothy: vasoline
<NeoN> What in God's name have you been doing!?
<Troll> and stop spanking it
<NeoN> bah, use Ben Gay.  All of the old fuskers use it
<Lothy> Uhm, my girlfriend just left.... and uh... it hurts now.
<Troll> hahaha
<Nosty> What did she do?
<Nosty> Okay, this tops anything Nerd and I have done.
<Lothy> I got rubbed raw.
<Troll> with what, her genitals?
<Nosty> Lothy, on your penis?
* Lothy nods.
<Nosty> OW!
<NeoN> heh
<Lothy> Yeah.
<NeoN> she didn't lube up first?
<NeoN> man, that sucks
<Troll> dude, what were you doing, fucking with a blanket between you two?
<Lothy> It didn't hurt until it was over.
<Nosty> Lothy, ummm.... I'd try a bath mebbe.
<Lothy> like, an hour after it was over.
<Nosty> Or like Aloe Vera gel.
<Nosty> Stay away from anything with alcohol in it.
<Lothy> I'm laughing at myself... and it hurts.
<Nosty> Good, I'm laughing a bit to.
<Nosty> From a hand job probably.
* Lothy nods.
<Nosty> Lothy, there is cream for that purpose.
<NeoN> heh, I'm actually lucky that my girlfriend never gives me handjobs like that
<Unya> Lubrication has a purpose.
<Troll> yes it does.
<Lothy> Hey, she's done this before with no problem... I don't know what the fusk she did to make half of my dick raw.
<Nosty> Lothy, you can get just plain astroglide, which is also safe to ingest.
<NeoN> I don't want to know
<Lothy> I don't need to worry about getting anything for like a month, this is going to take some time to heal.
<NeoN> heh
<Tartarus> fuck man..
<Nosty> Probably a few days.  Is there skin broken?
<Lothy> No.
<Lothy> Just some rubbed off.
<Lothy> In a very unwanted spot.
<Nosty> Lothy, take a lukewarm bath.  Then get some aloe gel or something like that.
<Lothy> I'm affraid to get up and walk.
<Lothy> The pain...
<Lothy> Its going to burn like a bitch to get it wet.
<NeoN> hahahahaha
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<Troll> HAHAHA
<Lothy> C'mon, give me some simpathy.
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Nosty> Well, you know how women feel now.
<NeoN> No way, Lothy
<Tartarus> Fuck you lothy.
<NeoN> I think it's funny as hell
<Nosty> I feel bad for you Lothy.
<Stomp> Neet.
<Unya> I don't envy you.  How's that?
<Nosty> Stompy!
<NeoN> besides, in a way I'm jealous because yer girlfriend is nympho and mine isn't
<Lothy> That's atleast something, Unya.
<Nosty> I decided you can be a stand-in woman for me.
<Stomp> Penis abrasions heal pretty quickly.
<Stomp> But they sure do sting.
<Unya> We could all chip in and send you a bottle of 10w40 for your birthday.
<Lothy> How about christmas?
<Lothy> That's closer.
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<Unya> OK.
<Nosty> Sound good Stompy?
<Stomp> I'm going to buy you a tub of J-Lube with my newfound money.
<Unya> Perhaps we can get some synthetic.  Castrol or somesuch.
<Stomp> But... But... J-Lube!
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<Nosty> Lothy, cocoa butter also might help.
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<Lothy> Ice...
* Lothy runs off.
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Lothy> er, waddles.
<Tartarus> poor lothy.
<Nosty> Now you know why women object when men make jokes about being able to pound women all night.
<Tartarus> So there's more reasn then the jokes being crude and sucky?
<Viscera-> no pun intended, right? <g>
<NeoN> Who knows? maybe I'll get laid this weekend, but I doubt it
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<NeoN> Klessig!
<Lothy> The Pain!!!!
* Lothy cries a little.
<Nosty> Lothy, go buy a thing of astroglide.  Honest.
<NeoN> Quit complaining, you got some action
<Tartarus> Hush ya oversexed freak.
<Lothy> Sex hurts.
<Lothy> heh, this is going to be fun trying to explain to her.
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Nosty> I got my nipple bitten once.  
<Lothy> "You... uhh... like... hurt me."
<NeoN> just say "Baby, you did it too hard"
<Lothy> Same here.
<Nosty> Skin broken?
<Lothy> Close, bruised.
<Stomp> Next time you'll just have to sting her sideways.
<Nosty> I had a small bruise and a scab.
<Nosty> It hurt.
<Nosty> Especially having to wear a bra.
<Nosty> Or anything else my nipple would brush against.
<Lothy> Sue has a thing with biting...
<Lothy> That's what I get for going out with a girl that thinks vampires rock.
<Nosty> Hahahaha.
<Nosty> Stomp, will you be a stand in woman for me?
<Stomp> Sure.
<Lothy> I'll be a stand in Stomp for you, stomp.
<Stomp> Will you send me naked pictures of you so I can study to become a better woman?
<Nosty> No.
<Nosty> I think you have enough nekkie pix of wimmin.
<Stomp> Oh.
<Stomp> No, I don't.
<Stomp> I have absolutely zero naked pics of women.
<Nosty> Seriously?
<Stomp> Or of anything, really.
<Nosty> I have nekkid pix of wimmin.
<Stomp> Hard drive fall down go boom.
<Nosty> I thought you had tons of pr0n.
<Lothy> Yeah, Stomps hard drive died.
<Nosty> Oh, how sad.
<Stomp> Ugh. All that rare stuff.
<Nosty> You won't be getting any nudie shots of me.
<Lothy> None of my machines have nekkid wimmin pics.
<Stomp> Things that i'll never be able to find again keep popping into my head.
<Nosty> You can ask those who have seen parts of me.
*** Signoff: BattleCat ()
<Nosty> Ask them to describe.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Tartarus: If they don't kill you, I will.
* Lothy waddles to the kitchen for some food.
<Nosty> This is really funny, I must say.
<Tartarus> yes, it is
<Tartarus> not as funny as before, but funny.
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<Lothy> oh god, the pain.
<Lothy> I should just call in sick to work tomorrow.
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<Nosty> Lothy, have you tried putting anything on it?
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<Spht> _appy_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
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<Lothy> We don't have anything.
<Tartarus> Ice.
<Lothy> Like, no moisteners or anything.
<Nosty> Oh c'mon, I'm sure your mom does.
<Nosty> No moisturizers anywhere?
* Ap listens to Bowie
<Nosty> What about something like neosporin?
<Tartarus> wd40?
<Nosty> Actually, you could just put crisco on it.
<Ap> what have i stumbled into?
<Tartarus> dont ask ap
<Tartarus> just run
<Tartarus> far far away
<Stomp> I want an AppleTelnet distributed with the MacOS.
<Stomp> That would be cool.
<Ap> my first thought, it being Lothy, was obvious.
<Ap> however, i'm sure it's more mundane.  like burning his finger or something.
<Tartarus> no
<Nosty> Ummm...
<Tartarus> no, just run
* Ap laughs
<Ap> stomp: and MacTCP Watcher.
<Tartarus> go back to #srh before it gets you
<Ap> i'm in #srh.  it's boring.
<McP> ap: You should've bought Apple stock.
<Ap> suck it, mcp.
<McP> I will do no such thing.
* Tartarus is away, fuck fuck fuck, i hate school, bbt _em/bx_ _l/on_ 
<Nosty> You heterosexual McP
<Ap> what did they close the day at?
<Viscera-> 35 9/16
<Nosty> Honestly, lothy... I think it will heal in a few days.
* McP proudly displays his heterosexuality by wearing a t-shirt with a normal, black triangle on it.
<Ap> heh.  i should get one of those.
<Ap> we could have straight pride parades.
<Nosty> Vanilla sex pride.
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<Ap> 'we're here!  we operate according to spec!  get used to it!'
<Balin> hmm
<sno> That's the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Straight sex is vanillia. As in plain, as in boring. You must have never had good straight sex.
<Balin> maybe i really have scared her away
<Balin> probably for the best.
<Balin> teach me a lesson.
* Ap high-fives sno
<Nosty> Perhaps they haven't had good vanilla ice cream.
<Lothy> oh god.
<Lothy> That moisturiser burns...
<Lothy> Like my eyes are watering.
<Nosty> Lothy, it might have alcohol in it.
<Lothy> "Safe for sensitive skin!"
<Lothy> argh!
<Lothy> Pain!
<Ap> go to a doctor.
<Nosty> No, use something for like a sun burn.
<McP> Noog and I had a vanilla shake from In N Out Burger today.
*** Signoff: Ophelan (Of course, good things can come from bad days...)
<Nosty> He doesn't need a doctor.
<Ap> that'll be a blast.
<sno> LothCam!
<Lothy> No!
<McP> I should have asked for vanilla sex instead.
<Lothy> LothCam is not being turned on!
<Ap> nosty: i know, this is just for humour value.
<Nosty> Oh okay :)
*** Signoff: Ophelan- (Then again, who knows what will come from today.)
<Lothy> Okay.. the pain is slowly subsiding...
<Ap> 'how did this happen?'  '<blah blah>'  'sure kid.  whatever you say.'
<Nosty> "I was in Seras with all the sanders... and well"
<Nosty> Sears rather :)
<Ap> rotfl
<sno> No, reall! It was my girlfriend! No! I have a life! I do!
<Ap> 'doctor, my penis is orange?'  'well what do you all day?'  'i watch porn and eat cheese puffs.'
<Ap> s/?/!
<Nosty> Hahaha
<Lothy> argh.
<Nosty> Lothy, you can even use like sesame oil.
<Lothy> I'm going to go like... lay down.
<Nosty> Don't use anything with alcohol in it.
<Lothy> Vaseline work?
<Nosty> Yeah.
<Lothy> I know I have that.
<Lothy> Yay!
<Balin> what is better than winning the paraplegic 100m gold?
<Nosty> Make sure it isn't like lip therapy kind.  That sometimes has salicylic acid in it.
<Balin> walking
<sno> Why didn't you  use it in the first place?
<Lothy> I feel like bathing in some vaseline right now.
<Balin> what do you say to a woman with two black eyes?
<Balin> nothing you haven't said twice before.
<Lothy> We've never bothered with it before, never needed it.
<Ap> hahah
<sno> hah!
<Lothy> She usually doesn't hurt me.
<Nosty> Lothy, you'll be find for tomorrow.  I'm not sure about male genitalia, but female genitals tend to heal rather quickly.
<Balin> these are the jokes you use to pull the chicks
<Balin> really
<Nosty> Lothy, go to the drugstore and buy a thing of astroglide.
<Lothy> I"ll be back later...
<Nosty> Get a small bottle of it.
* Lothy waddles off.
<Nosty> Keep it in the glove compartments.
*** Signoff: Lothy (THe pain!)
<sno> Going to go and roll around in pain on his bed.
<Balin> no /play msgs is boring.
<sno> Quick, someone haxor LothyCam into activity.
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
<Nosty> That would be cruel.
<sno> That would be impossible.
*** Signoff: Viscera- (Leaving)
<Nosty> Well, looks like that was the end of our entertainment for th eevening.
<sno> Some woman just made the most peculiar shrieking noise outside my window.
<Ap> i need candles.
<sno> Power go out?
<sno> Oh, no I guess it didn't.
<Nosty> Duh!
<Ap> heh.
<Ap> no, i just mean for that candle effect.
<Nosty> He just needs them to smoove Mesca.
<Ap> or the other way around.
<Nosty> What color do you want appy?  I have a ton.
<sno> Damn. My leg hurts.
<sno> Arg.
<Ap> what're you going to do, fedex 'em?
<Nosty> Have a woman rub it raw, Sno?
<sno> No, it's a sore tendon.
<sno> For no apparent reason.
<Stomp> Hmm. I should download MacUnreal, just because I can.
<Stomp> I should download it seven times.
<Stomp> Because I can.
<Stomp> I think i'll install all the Marathons.
<Stomp> Hey, I can do a full Myth install, too.
<Ap> regrettably, i couldn't have pegged an offerbot's bandwidth that night a couple of weeks ago I took my machine into work.
<Ap> although it would've been really fun.
<Stomp> And Mechwarrior.
<Stomp> Better yet, i'll steal bobs cds.
<Stomp> Holy crap, I do have a cd. It's porn, tho.
<Stomp> So I DO have porn!
<Nosty> Hahaha, pron!
<Stomp> But it's not MY porn.
<Nosty> Do you want me to send you porn Stomp?
<Stomp> Send away.
<sno> I want munchies.
<Stomp> I'll have to start downloading Silvers MP3 collection, too.
* sno looks around for $.50 to go and buy candy.
* Nosty gives Sno a cookie.
<Stomp> Got that picture of a girl on a pike? That would go well right now.
<Stomp> The anus to mouth one.
<Nosty> No, I odn't Stomp.
<Stomp> On a pole?
<Nosty> Lemme go to my other machine and see what I have.
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<Nosty> Oh, you want polebabe?
<Nosty> I'll give you pole and hook babe.
<Stomp> I had it bookmarked.
<Stomp> Bitch bitch bitch.
<Nosty> I took those down.
<Nosty> Those were temporary.
<Sniperman> stomp, how goes the HD?
<Nosty> Nerd would freak with the sudden hits.
<Nosty> Then yell at me about putting up porn.
<Stomp> eMailer is painfully slow.
<Stomp> Sniper, Not.
<Sniperman> not what
<Stomp> Not go.
*** Signoff: TrollXL (Connection reset by peer)
<Sniperman> hmm, sucks
<Sniperman> get your data from it?
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<Stomp> No.
<Sniperman> gah
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<Balin> j/play
<Balin> woah
*** Signoff: Tootchko (BART zooms off into the distance...)
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<Balin> hey bry
<Brymen> hey
<Balin> i'm gonan burn you grinspoon next time i have a cdr
<Balin> and regurgitator
<Brymen> whats that?
<Balin> two kick ass aussie bands
<Nosty> Okay Stomp, Soon.
<Brymen> cool
<Balin> i want to drum. naked
<Brymen> me too
<Brymen> not so naked
<Balin> sweating
<Balin> and a bullet in the head on the final beat of the song
<Stomp> I want a rock to tie a piece of string around.
<Nosty> Okay, wait a few minutes.
<Nosty> The url of my porn will be http://nosty.nostalgia.net/Porn/
<Stomp> Don't attempt to break any laws of physics or anything.
<Stomp> In fact, nice it to like 42 or 69.
<Nosty> Some as nasty, some are not.
*** Signoff: Devo-n (Ping timeout)
* McP contacts the Feds.
* Ap watches the ATF stake out nosty's pad.
<McP> Good thing I have a gas mask.  In case the Feds decide to tear gas me.
*** Signoff: coldfront (Leaving)
<Nosty> Nothing illegal in what I uploaded.
<Ap> damn those feds.
<McP> True.  I'm sure Feds like porn, too.
<Nosty> I have a gas mask too McP.
<Ap> you know they do.
<Ap> especially the top fed.
<Brymen> jannie3 is pretty good
<McP> Is your the old-style I-look-like-a-fly gas mask?  Or the modern ones?
<Nosty> I dunno Bry.  I think it's spooky with the big glasses.
<McP> I had one of each.  Now I just have the old one.
<Nosty> McP, it's an old style one I guesss.  Plain army issue sort.
<NeoN> Man, never eat peanut butter toast in the morning and forget to brush your teeth.  I've had skank ass breath all day
<Nosty> Oh gosh.  That reminds me of a joke Nerd tole me the omther day.
<McP> We used to hook this puppy up to the bong.
<Nosty> Involving food and sex.  He said he wanted to use peanut butter on me and watch me get stuck shut.  "Uhhh... why is nosty walking funny?"
*** Signoff: Rorgore (Leaving)
<Nosty> Oh bry, when it gets uploaded, may I suggest biglesbos.jpg?
<Brymen> heh heh heh
<Nosty> Refresh now.
<Nosty> Okay, all images have been uploaded.  They will be there for a limited time.
<Nosty> They will be deleted later tonight.
<Brymen> why is that?
<Nosty> Because Nerd would shave my crotch bald without warning if his box got too many hits.
<Brymen> i saw the first 1/9 of biglesbos and closed the window
<Nosty> No, view all of it.
<NeoN> Unya: where do files go on silver after they finish downloading?
<Brymen> Hell, no.
<Brymen> i saw enough,. trust me
<Nosty> But they are lesbians!
<Brymen> they are cows.
<Brymen> so no thanks
<Nosty> I thought you liked lesbians.
<NeoN> um, temp files on Silver?
<Brymen>  i lik lesbians under 140lbs
<Troll> mmm lesbians.
<Nosty> Troll, brymen isn't going to view my lesbians.
<Brymen> good
<NeoN> anyone? am I invisible?
<Brymen> i saw too much as it is
<Brymen> no, neon
<NeoN> Well...
<Nosty> Next time you are down, I'll bring my pr0n collection on my powerbook and dump it to trollie.
<Nosty> Or to your machine bry.
<Nosty> I've got some enjoyable stuff.
<Nosty> Hmmm, I didn't upload my eelporn pic.  That is always a favorite.
<Brymen> you have 1 good porn picture
<Brymen> the rest are nasty
<Brymen> and i dont want nasty porn, ok ?:)
<NeoN> Would somebody please fusking tell me?
<Brymen> i hhave no idea
<Nosty> Not all are nasty.
<Nosty> Half are nasty.
<Brymen> weed them iut
<Brymen> out
<Nosty> And they are clearly labeled.
<sno> Hey Neon.
<Brymen> ok :)
<NeoN> hey sno..
<Nosty> For instance, pissprty is a nasty pic.
<sno> You're alive and visible.
<Nosty> bondagenema is a nasty pic.
<NeoN> where do the temp files go that I grab from irc?
<Nosty> biglesbos is a nasty pic.
<Unya> Hey Roseann.  What do you tell a girl with two black eyes?
<sno> Hm.
<sno> Lemme look.
<sno> Any idea what the name was?
<Nosty> DOn't take off her bra?
<Brymen> Dax is hot.
<Unya> Nothing.
<NeoN> vils something
<Unya> You told her twice already.
<NeoN> vils1.gif or something
<Nosty> Oh, bad Unya!
<Troll> hahahaa
<sno> Lemme look.
<Troll> sometimes a woman needs a good smack.
<Unya> Alternately: "Don't raise your head so much then."
<sno> Oh, it's right there in your home directory.
<sno> ~neon/vils1.giy
<Nosty> God forbid I come out with any statements that possibly offend men.
<Troll> hahah
<sno> What? Like...
<sno> Every other word?
<Nosty> Then Unyan and Troll come out with the most endearing statements towards women.
<NeoN> I guess I just can't see it with fetch
<sno> Relead in Fetch.
<Nosty> Sno, I don't hate men.  I think you kn ow that.
<Troll> shut up, if I wanted a woman's mouthin' I'd tell her to blow me.
<NeoN> I did, I see them now
<sno> rotfl
<NeoN> thanks
<Nosty> Troll, I could give you a mouth full.
<sno> Of what? His semen after he came?
<Troll> No no, I'd give YOU a mouthful
<Nosty> I wasn't thinking that naughty Sno.
<sno> Of teeth?
<Nosty> Of the only two syllables that matter in the english language.
<sno> Blow and job?
<Nosty> pussy
<NeoN> heh
<Nosty> You should see what I'm msging to Nerd.
<Nosty> *The_Nerd*> I have fluffy blonde hair.
<Nosty> *The_Nerd*> And I'm 5'9"
<sno> This is special because...?
<Nosty> It's funny :)
<sno> Gee, Nosty is a 5'9" blond with fluffy hair... funny... last time I checked she was my wife.
<Nosty> Oh, I joke like that all the time.
<sno> What do you call a pregnant lesbian?
<sno> Repenting.
<NeoN> I don't see the humor in it either, I mean, I could see humor in it if he didn't know it was you
<Nosty> Oh....
<Nosty> Neon, have you seen pictures of me?
<NeoN> I have to fusking wake up at 6am just to make it to class on time
<Nosty> Or know anything what I look like?
<NeoN> Nosty: yeah, a couple
<Nosty> Well, then you know I don't have fluffy blonde hair.
<NeoN> I know
<sno> So we still don't see what's funny about it.
<Nosty> It's basically mocking netsex and AOLers/
<sno> Um. OK.
<sno> You want to see a mock of netsex, go find the SexBot.
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<NeoN> I guess I can see some humor in the mocking of netsex, but I still think it'd be more funny if he didn't know it was you at first
<sno> It's a bot with a feminine name that makes flirtatious comments and people actually try to come on to it and actually do have netsex with it.
<Nosty> Hahahaa.  That is funny.
<sno> It's terrifying what this world is capable of.
<Nosty> It's teh same humor I have when I join a mac channel and type, "MACINTRASH>"
<sno> I accidently revealed it as a bot when Qaz and I were there making fun of them.
<sno> I was shocked into silence, and no one there seemed to care.
<sno> Noen?
<sno> None, even.
<NeoN> Yeah, I get off on AI too
* sno sucks on each M&M individiually.
<Nosty> You don't crunch those?
<sno> I try not to. They're more fun that way.
<sno> My eating these reminds me of my Buddhism class.
<Nosty> You took a buddhism class?
<sno> In some ways, my days at ASU were the happiest ones of my life.
<sno> I took a graduate level Buddhism course. Freshman year. I can't remember if I got a B or an A.
<sno> Some thing with my Shakespear course. But that I know I got an A in.
<sno> I have a letter of recommendation from the professor as well.
<sno> Actually, not graduate level. But Junior/Senior level.
<sno> Most of my courses were.
<Nosty> Upperdivision is more fun anyway.
<Nosty> Classes are smaller.  You have discussion groups.
<sno> I was in my Buddhism class with one of the teachers for my Shakespeare course.
<Brymen> shes Buddhism is the best ism ive ever encountered.
<sno> It was probably the most challenging course I took that year.
<Brymen> -shes
<sno> Required a lot of reading and very well thought out papers.
<sno> Wasn't hard, but, you didn't dick around with it either.
<sno> Very charismatic professor too.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Troll: I can't wrap my brain around it.
<Nosty> I think it works well in practice.  I have done any reading about it.
<sno> Anyway, I really want to get back to college, because I'm very good at college.
<Nosty> Err haven't done.
<sno> It is the most intelligent religion on this planet.
<Nosty> I could really never get the whole mediation thing down.
<sno> You don't need to meditate to appreciate it.
<Troll> that's it, almost running 100% pure
* Troll is running Agent Provocateur 2.85 "n : a secret agent who incites suspected persons to commit illegal acts"
<Troll> just 1 more tiny tcl fucntion
<Nosty> I do like the handling of death much more than christianity.
<Brymen> Im gonna get a gun.
<Nosty> Bry, wait until you are 21.
<Brymen> Thats what I meant.
<Brymen> I think id be happier with a revolver than a clip loaded.
<Nosty> Why don't you try shooting first?
<sno> Well, Christianity lies to you. What more do you need? Buddhism is honest with you the whole way through.
<Nosty> You can find lies in any religion.
<sno> Not Buddhism.
<Brymen> not brymenism
<sno> But I mean on a grander scale. Not nagging little details.
<Stomp> Bitemeism is only lies.
<Stomp> Bitemeism doesn't believe in doing anything half-assed.
<sno> Namely, that there is a god and a Jesus who will save you, versus, hey, life sucks. So make the best of it. Here's how.
<Nosty> So you take the whole ass?
<Brymen> time to shave my armpits
<Nosty> Bry, you've been shaving your armpits?
<Brymen> No, but its just about time for it
<Brymen> nah
<Brymen> ill just trim my side burns
<Nosty> My impression of buddism was ultimate peace was within yourself instead of when you die and go to heaven.
<sno> That's a part of it.
<sno> Buhhism has many faces.
<sno> It's also about how to live your life and enjoy it.
<Brymen> sno i had a good instance to use that story you told me
<sno> And not be made miserable by samsara and the coming and going of things in the world around us.
<sno> The one about the monk being chased by the tiger?
<Brymen> yeah
<sno> That's a good one.
<sno> That was one that my Buddhism professor told me.
<sno> The wisest thing that I ever heard was in some Buddhist context.
<Brymen> Yes, it is. my teacher had me arite a paper about all of my goals and what i expected from the future
<Brymen> write
<sno> It was about a king who asked his advisors for something that would make him happy when he was sad, and sad when he was happy.
<sno> So they made him a ring, and on it was inscribed....
<sno> "This too, will pass."
<Brymen> heh
<Brymen> thats good. i like that
<sno> Which is a part of what Buddhism is about.
* Brymen commits it to memory
<NeoN> Well, I'm outtie
<sno> Everything comes and gose. Attachment to anything causes pain.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Ap: We live in the short term, and hope for the best.
<sno> :)
<sno> Did you by any chance just hear that in a song or did you get it from me?
<Ap> got it from you.  seems to be a theme.
<sno> It tries to be.
<Nosty> It's in just about everything of sno's.
<sno> It's a very Buddhisst message.
<Nosty> Guh, I was invited to Nerd's parents house tonight.
<sno> Though I did not get it from a Buddhist source.
<Nosty> "I need my computer fixed now!"
<sno> Somewhere along the line, that future got cancelled.
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<sno> Out with the mean in with the green.
<Nosty> I want dessert.
<Nosty> I wonder if I can convince Nerd to do that with me tonight.
<sno> Where under Daily News are the movie listings?
<Nosty> Do a search for movie.
<Nosty> They are all over now.
<sno> Starnet's site really seems to be devoid of a seach feature.
<Nosty> No, in the browser.
<sno> Nothing.
<sno> Ah, there we go.
<Unya> That was horrifyingly hidden.
<Nosty> It is Unya.
<Nosty> Theatres don't show much past 10 here.
*** Signoff: Sniperman (brb)
<sno> Starnet's site has some cool stuff and nice visuals but finding anything is night impossible.
<sno> nigh
<Unya> That was really bad.
<Unya> What is the dollar theater?
<Nosty> There are no midnight movies except for Rocky Horror and Dark Side of the Moon in Saturday nights.
<Nosty> Unya, GKC and Crossroads Festival.
<Unya> I can't believe that we hide movielistings and things like that in such an unpredictable place.
<Unya> Dark Side Of The Moon?  You mean the Laseriumshow?
<Nosty> Yes Unya.
<Nosty> Well they are all over at Crossroads.
<Nosty> And at GKC.
<Nosty> Too late.
<Unya> At this point I just wasn't wiling to let our site deny me this information.
<Nosty> The 9pm hour is the last for movies in Tucson.
<sno> Faith is faith, faith is legion, human need belief with no reason.
<sno> Don't belive that it can't be done.
<sno> Circles and squares, us, we and one.
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<Spht> _Qaz_ Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
<sno> Qaz!11
<Troll> Doug!
<Unya> Aren't you dead?
<Troll> sup!
<Qaz> whats up sno?
<Qaz> Troll Unya!
<sno> Not much dudue.
<sno> How are you?
<Nosty> See all of you later.
<Qaz> I'm good.
<sno> Hitting the Navy I here?
<sno> hear?
<Troll> sno, unya and I are all in Tucson, living together
<Qaz> Yeah.
<Qaz> Crypto.
<Troll> cool
<sno> That's awesome.
<Troll> nice!!!
<Troll> FUCK!
<sno> Awesome!11
<Troll> AWESOME!
<Troll> sno just had an orgasm
<Qaz> I'm waiting for my top secret clearance.
<Troll> heh
<Unya> Really?  You're skipping boot camp and going straight into a technical vocation?
<sno> Troll and I just lept out of our seats when you said that.
<Bovino> wheee
<Qaz> No, I do bootcamp, but I go in as an E-4.
<Nosty> G'night Vaca.
<Troll> nice
<Qaz> 8 weeks of bootcamp.
<Bovino> Night?
<Bovino> You going to bed already?
<Nosty> Aren't you going to bed?
<Bovino> In 5 minutes ;)
<Bovino> hehehehehe
<Nosty> I'm not going to bed yet.
<Nosty> BUt I was taking off.
<Qaz> then a 21 week crypto school.
<sno> What will you be doing?
*** Signoff: Ballade (Watooka)
<Unya> What is your term?
<Bovino> Do you get to kill peole with silences component rifles carried in metal atache cases?
<Bovino> My english makes me sound like a Motherboard manual tonight.
<Troll> hahaha
<Troll> Tyler, can you burn me a mouse?
<Troll> with warez on it?
<Qaz> Well, in school I'll be learning..
<Qaz> Its in Pensacola FL.
<sno> Get some sun.
<Troll> cool
<Bovino> If ram simm must be pair then 72 pair pin rams used for proper booted 
<Qaz> then after that I get like a month off then I ship out and start my first job.
<sno> Will you be on a ship?
<Bovino> I burned a mouse with a hacker program called BitchX
<Bovino> Are you going to get to assassinate government officials?
<Bovino> Would assassins gun for you?
<Qaz> Well, I CAN be on a ship but somethin like 90% of crypto jobs are on land.
<sno> What exactly is a crypto job?
<Bovino> You kill people
<Bovino> Or hunt down Phil Zimmerman
<Qaz> That comes later.  I qualified for the top line Crypto school, so I get spy training later.
<Bovino> I want that job :)
<sno> Awesome.
<sno> That's really cool do.
<sno> er, dude.
<sno> Almost makes me wish I had persued it back when I looked into it.
<Qaz> I will be intercepting cellular radio and sattelite communications, decoding the encoded ones and then passing it on to language specialists if its not in english.
<sno> That kicks ass dude.
<sno> Will you get to be on IRC at all?
<sno> :)
<Troll> heh
<Qaz> I was going into the Nuke school, but I'm colorblind according to them, so I can't do anything with electronics.
<Qaz> I have no idea.
<Troll> oh man
<Troll> suck
<Bovino> They'll give you an untraceable silenced weapon made out of plastics, right?
<Bovino> With a laser sight.
<Troll> eeeeeeee
<sno> Those are the ones that pay the best too.
<Bovino> BE a pilot.
<Bovino> Quit the airforce
<Qaz> most crypto posts are in forign embassys.
<Bovino> John an airline, make 200,000 a year
<Bovino> JUS TLIKE TRUE LIES!
<Bovino> Remember to do the tango
<Bovino> "I've been in the van for 15 years Harry"
<sno> That kicks ass dude.
<sno> Get on IRC now and then.
<Qaz> Actually crypto gets the same pay rate advancement as the nuke school.
<sno> If you IRC from a .gov site I'll be impressed.
<sno> Really?
<sno> Cool.
<Qaz> Nuke is like the high end electronics and then some of them go into physics or chemistry stuff.
<Bovino> WOuld you have jurisdiction over burning warez CDs?  Troll might be interested.
<Qaz> yeah, thats why I go in as an E-4.
<sno> So what would you be doing afterwards? How long do they have you for?
<Bovino> In the navy
<Qaz> I don't think I'll have jurisiction over anything for the first year or so.
<Bovino> You can join your fellow man!
<Qaz> Its a 4 year prog.
<Bovino> Well as long as you get some good snipin' in.
<sno> Do you have to do the additional two years of stuff afterwards?
<Qaz> I don't know what exactly I'll be doing after that..  
<Qaz> After two years I have an option to sign up for another year and they will give me a $10,000 bonus.
<Bovino> GOd damn this "retard" onthis law show is cute
<sno> And you get like $50k for school?
<Bovino> Just hope there isn't a war.
<Qaz> $40k, plus I can go to school while I'm on active duty, and the navy will pay for 75% of my tuition.
<sno> Yeah, but I talked to a guy who was in the Navy and he said that doing school while enlisted was real hard because they were constantly shipping you around. But he did hand-to-hand combat training, so, might be different for him.
<Qaz> and the credits I get can be applied to any school that gets gov aid, and thats >90% of the schools in the US.
<sno> Yeah, I remember that from when I talked to them.
<Bovino> Question...will you ever be privy to knowledge that you could not be forced to give up in a court of law?
<Qaz> Yeah..  I'm not going to be on a ship so I get pretty perm. stationing.
<Qaz> yes.
<Bovino> BE sure to commit a crime then :)
<sno> I really wish they'd had more software engineering stuff.
<Qaz> I have to get top secret access to get the job
<Bovino> "Defendany, where were you on the night of...?"
<Qaz> they have been doing a background check for the last week.
<Bovino> "I cannot answer that question for national security reasons."
<sno> With your dad in the military it should be easy.
<Bovino> Yeah you're in a high stakes game
<Qaz> I'm supposed to hear back soon.
<Bovino> Nowadays intelligence is hyper important
<Bovino> Fort Huachua is a communications unit, maybe syou'll end up here a while
<Qaz> Its not that kind of background, they pulled my FBI record and had like stuff that I did in gradeschool.
<Bovino> yeah.
<sno> Did you go through the recruiting office in Lebanon?
<Qaz> they asked me about a time I was sent to the office in 4th grade.
<sno> heh
<sno> Woah.
<Bovino> You're kidding.
<Qaz> Kinda..  My recruiter is out of keen, but I go to leb to get papers and stuff.
<Qaz> No I'm not.
<Bovino> Holy cow
<Qaz> I went down to springfield mass for two days.
<sno> For testing?
<Bovino> I really would love to work for the NSA, but I just don't think I'll ever really be able to be useful enough for their purposes.
<sno> Physical testing and then some aptitude test?
<sno> The NSA has my resume. Fear that.
<Qaz> they did a bunch of tests on me and I had a in depth physical and I had to do a bunch of strange movements and stuff to make sure I was put together correctly.
<Qaz> x-rays and things.
<sno> heheh
<Troll> heh
<sno> That's what I would have had to done, but I backed out at the last minute.
*** Signoff: coldfront (Leaving)
<Qaz> Well I did that, then when they found that I was colorblind they said I oculdn't go into the Nuke prog.
<Bovino> I wouldn't want to be in the military, but I'd do NSA.  I mean at parties ""yeah Iw ork for the NSA" (they back away)
<Qaz> and then this guy requested a meeting with me to talk abou my test scores.
<Qaz> I got a 98th percentile overall.
<Bovino> For?  What did they test for?
<Qaz> 99th in reasoning and mathmatics
<Bovino> Wow
<Qaz> I took about 12 written tests.
<Bovino> I feel dumb.
<Brymen> qaz thats awesome
<sno> Yeah, I remember that from when you took the vocational aptitude battery at HHS.
<Qaz> anyway, he said that with those scores I qualiied for an intelligence position and that if I was interested he could strart my application that day.
<sno> I remember you talking about after that test how they were telling you that you could do anything you wanted in the military.
<Qaz> Yeah, I had to take a lot of the stuff over again.
<Qaz> and more of them.
<Brymen> what was the test like?
<Qaz> It was like the asvab was 1/10th of each test put together.
<sno> Damn. That really makes me want to consider it again, but they just didn't have anything that was really specifically software engineering.
<Bovino> Do they know about your IRC pictures? That might make a difference...
<Qaz> Kinda like the SATs only rather than just math and verbal they have a lot of subjects.
<Brymen> I didnt do very well on the SATs
<Bovino> Like GREs?
<Brymen> then again, i didnt study for it
<sno> I remember you talking about some of the questions. "what would you use to drill a hole in a sheet of metal: A) hack saw...."
<Brymen> Can you elaborate on their question about the 4th grade?
<sno> Didn't you do some language thing on that test that was really impressive?
<Qaz> yeah, a lot of the asvab stuff was really easy.
<sno> He was trying to defect to Russia in fourth grade.
<Qaz> yeah.
<Brymen> i ditched the asvab
<Brymen> why the ass
<Brymen> why, qaz?:)
<Brymen> most people defect FROM russia
<Bovino> They don't know about your John Hinkly connection do they?   
<Bovino> I bet my connection gets reset and I'm never heard from again ;)
<Qaz> one of the section was liek decoding stuff.  where they would give you a key for the page 1=a 2=r and so on..  then the page would be full of numbers and you would have to write the correct letters in the answer spaces.
<Bovino> yikes
<Qaz> No in 4th grade I slashed up some seats on the school bus and had to do community service after school for a month.
<Brymen> hahaha
<Brymen> why did you slash the seats?
<sno> hehehe
<Qaz> I was in 4th grade..
<Ap> 'cause he was 9.
<Qaz> I had a razor blade.
<Brymen> i remember we used to slash them open and take out  the stuffing
<sno> So now we know that the military will never issue you a knife.
<Qaz> there were seats..
<Qaz> it just made sense back then.
<Qaz> I was trying to get online earlier tonight.
<Brymen> is that what you told the recruiter?
<sno> Ah yes, childhood, back when everything made sense.
<Qaz> I was babysitting for some friends and they have a PC powerbook with a 33.6 modem card and stuff, but it wasn't working.
<Bovino> woo hoo!
<Brymen> just hearing this makes me want to go into the military and be a spy or something
<Nosty>  I need to empty out the bed.
<sno> Bry, there can be major downsides to it.
<Brymen> yeah
<Bovino> Kick ass
<sno> You aren't guaranteed to get what you want. They could put you anywhere.
<Brymen> no more family
<sno> Namely, in the line of fire.
<Brymen> well, anywhere would be cool.
<sno> But bootcamp would be awesome.
<Brymen> that would be the point
<sno> Getting kicked into shape like that.
<Brymen> id end up in mexico
<Brymen> i just know it
<Qaz> actually in the navy they guarontee your job before you shiip out.
<Troll> hahaa
<Qaz> thats why I went with the navy.
<Qaz> the army will ship you THEN assign your job.
<Troll> Brymen, border enforcement
<Brymen> does the navy handle secret agents?
<sno> Yeah, but I remember Josh telling me about that....
<sno> You sit down with an advisor and pick out what you want to do.
<Brymen> if i could be an agent in spain, that would kick ass
<sno> Meanwhile, thousands of people are doing the same thing all across the country.
<Bovino> Like I said, the bitch is if we have a war
<Brymen> then im doing covert operations.
<sno> He said that every time he picked something, it was taken before the guy was done typing.
<Troll> heh cover-ops on the meh-hee-cans
<Bovino> I wouldn't want to be in the military, myself.  
<Qaz> Yeah, but in the navy you sign a contract and they guarontee your job, you have to register with one of the job people and they get on the computer to find an opening, they sign you up and then in like 10 min you get a fax as confermation, so that you WILL get that job.
<Bovino> I do want component plastic silenced uzis
<sno> But getting that opening was the hard part, as I recall.
<sno> Possible not so with your type of job, where not many people can do it.
<Qaz> My job didn't have an opening till january..
<Brymen> i think it would be rather interesting to be a secret agent
<Qaz> I don't ship till jan 9th, IF they pass me on the top secret stuff.
<Troll> just a little bry
<sno> What if they don't?
<sno> Do they reassign you or drop you or what?
<Bovino> In the navy, you can rape your fellow man ;)
<Qaz> then I'm not going to do the navy.
<Nosty> The nice part of the navy is always being near the coast.
<Qaz> if they don't then my contract is void and I can walk away.
<Brymen> be a fighter pilot, qaz
<sno> Cool.
<Qaz> I think my colorblindness would disqualify me from that as well.
<Troll> not true roz, there are navy bases inland.
<Brymen> suck
<Brymen> do you have to have 20/20 vision w/o contacts?
<Qaz> I wouldn't be just on navy bases.
<Brymen> or with contacts is ok?
<Bovino> I think it's uncorrected
<Troll> haha contacts
<Brymen> shaddap
<Troll> you'd get glasses.
<Brymen> besides
<Nosty> Troll, true.  For the most part you are usually along the ocean.
<sno> For the pilot positions you have to be real good at math and have above normal vision.
<Troll> I was laughing because they'd take them from you
<Brymen> you have to be a mathematician to be a pilot anyway
<Troll> and give you glasses.
<Brymen> heheh
<Brymen> i go into my jet with my graphing calculator
<Qaz> brb
<Troll> eheheh
<Brymen> note to self, dont brush teeth and then drink tea ever again
<Troll> ewwwwwwwwwww
<sno> And when it kills your copilot as it smashes his face in as you throw in your afterburners?
*** Signoff: coldfront (Leaving)
<Bovino> Or lik ein top gun where you get to kill the lucky guy who was banging meg ryan
<Brymen> i hope im in a country with no extradition traties
<Brymen> treaties
<Troll> that certainly is one, if not THE worst case senerio, sno
<Bovino> DOn't forget the cyanaide pills
<sno> Meg Ryan can be cute, but....
<Brymen> not anymore
<Bovino> Well think of her "Innerspace" days...
<Bovino> Hell, she's still perky.
<Ap> she was tasty in 'addicted to love'.
<sno> Very.
<sno> So was Broderick though.
<Brymen> he is such a good actor
<Brymen> nevermind godzilla.
<Bovino> He makes me wretch
<Nosty> Broderick has always been cute.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> Feris!
<sno> Godzilla was amusing.
<Brymen> I loved Feris.
<Troll> heh
<Nosty> Ferris is awesome.
<Qaz> back.
<Bovino> Swap dish soap for plutonium my inner asshole
<sno> Bueller..... Bueller..... Bueller....
<Bovino> See that is always quoted, but it's not really trhat funny.
<Troll> "no, no! He never drives it! he just sits it in here and polishes it with a diaper!"
<Brymen> Life goes by pretty quickly, if you dont stop to look around once in a while, itll pass you by
<Troll> "a man with priorities so far out if whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile"
<Bovino> n31 g07 n3 w4ReZ?
<Troll> heheh
<Nosty> Save Ferris.
<Troll> vaca: talk to that guy in support.
<Nosty> The scene with Charlie Sheen is just great.
<Bovino> I like the bit with the doorbell
<Nosty> Drugs?
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> hahaha
<Brymen> I like the whole movie.
<Bovino> Yes, the whole movie is excellent
<Nosty> Alright, I'm all greased.
<Troll> uh
<Nosty> I bet I'm greasier than Trollie.
<Troll> oh really
<Brymen> Lubed up and ready gto go.
<Troll> I bet you are.
<Brymen> let the ass bangning commence
<Troll> HAHAHAH
<Bovino> Blah morning after pills my ass.
<Bovino> Where is the male contraceptive, I ask you?
<sno> It's called not having a womb.
<Bovino> wow
<Brymen> it got stuck in the ass
<Nosty> Vaca, it would be great for men to have one.
<Bovino> it make slightning jelous
<sno> Can't get pregnant.
<Stomp> Now, news anchors are trained to not say "uhh", or at least say it as little as possible.
<Stomp> But this guy actually said "duh".
<Brymen> heheh
<Bovino> Nost: I think it would be cool :)
<Brymen> news anchors are a curious bunch
<Bovino> arj!
<Troll> heh
<Qaz> I'm going to go to bed..
<Troll> me too
<sno> Night Qaz.
<Troll> :P
<Qaz> Talk to you guys later.
<Qaz> later sno.
<Brymen> cyas
<sno> See ya.
<Qaz> later troll
<Qaz> later bry, unya
<Qaz> later vaca
<Nosty> There have been attempts of developing a male contraceptive like the pill.
<Brymen> I hope qaz visits more often.
<Brymen> :)
*** Signoff: Qaz (sleep.)
<Nosty> The attempts haven't been good.
<sno> Maybe he'll get positioned in Arizoan.
<Brymen> im not taking any pills.
<Brymen> highly unlikely.
<Nosty> Stuff like shooting doses of testosterone in the scrotum once a day.
<Nosty> Bry, why wouldn't you?
<Ap> some magic pill that, if taken once a day, sterilizes you, would be cool.
<Bovino> ey.kick.ass.doc.tar.gz.LHA
<Brymen> No way im gonna fuck with my system.
<Nosty> I think that would be good too Appy.
<Bovino> Actually they are devloping one that I think halts production of sperm
<Nosty> Vaca, none have been very successful.
<Bovino> I'd take it.
<Nosty> Researchers are looking.
<Bovino> Not widely, but last I heard they are looking at releasing one in a few years.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Ap: Law enforcement at its best.
<Bovino> Too bad you have to have mornign after pills prescribed, there could be quite a black market
<sno> I wouldn't take it and I don't think women should take the ones that they do. Condoms, people, condoms. Simple. Easy. No biological junk involved.
<Nosty> You can get the prescription in advance.
<Bovino> condoms fail more than pills
<Nosty> Why not Sno?  The pill is great for some women.
<Nosty> I do not knock the pills at all.
<sno> Morons, people. Morons.
<Ap> biological junk is nice and low-level though.
<sno> Why bother with putting junk in your system.
<Bovino> Because it's better than condoms
<Nosty> For some women they have uncomfortable periods and it helps.
<Ap> the problem is not sperm getting out, it's the existence of sperm in the first plce.
<sno> If a couple has alternatives that they want to look at, by all means.
<Bovino> Exactly
<Brymen> its like throwing a wrench into the gears thare are my body :)
<Nosty> It reduces the form of cancer for nearly all women.
<sno> Exactly.
<Ap> yes, my ex took the pill to regulate her cycle.  if she goes off it her natural cycle is like missing two months, getting a bunch in the space of a month, etc.
<sno> Anyway.
<Bovino> Well some studies show it increases chances of other forms
<Bovino> I belive that modern life induces cacer, so.
<Bovino> appy: yeah, zactly
<Nosty> If I didn't take some form of hormones, I'd be in the hospital needing lots of blood transfusions and in incredible pain.
<Nosty> Vaca, for nearly all women there is a lower cancer risk.
<Brymen> Why are you on hormones?
<Bovino> ahh hah
<Bovino> I hacked troll succesfully
<Nosty> There are small isolated studies here and there that the media likes to tout, but taking all studies over all, most women do benefit in some way.
<Bovino> Well don't listen to the media.  My info comes froms tudies or from the actual product itself.
<Bovino> Of course it depends ont he strength you use.
<Nosty> The products have lots of warnings they have to put on there.
<Nosty> Including slurred speech.
<Bovino> If you take the higher dosages for whatever reason, then the danger is probably more pronounced.
<Nosty> I've taken incredibly high doses and there really was little risk.
<Brymen> Yeah.
<Nosty> Like 20 times that of an average birth control pill.
<Brymen> youre fucked up.
<Bovino> Keep in mind there are no long-term studies on the pill.
<Nosty> There are some coming out that are recent Vaca.
<Brymen> Your body has a certain balance in order to keep itself healthy. coming into contact with certain chemicals may throw it out of whack for a while. such as bleach, or windex.
<Bovino> I'd say that overall they are safe, but I'm not willing to say that they ar einfallible or even unhaarmful.
<Brymen> marker fumes.
<Nosty> Bry, I'm out of whack anyway.
<Brymen> Things like that. You are taking a pill that seriously degenerates your bodies ability to regulate itself.
<Bovino> Actually
<Bovino> It regulates women
<Nosty> I don't want my periods.  No thankks.
<Bovino> There are also different kinds of pills ;)
<Nosty> I'm on progesterones only and I take them everyday.
<Nosty> There are no off days for me.
<Bovino> The progesterones and estrogine pills actually make the period rock steady.,  In fact they're so regular they they consdier it a possibhle pregnancy to be like 2 days late.
<Bovino> Normally women can be weeks late or evern skip and not be prgenant
<Brymen> im off to see the wizard.
*** Signoff: Brymen (sleep)
<Nosty> I'm never planning on going off of hormones except to try pregnancy.
<Bovino> These losers
<Bovino> I'm the one who is getting up at 6am ;)
<Nosty> Boy will I feel like killing Nerd.
<Nosty> "You wanted me off these things, now I'm in hell!"
*** Topic change on #marathon by Bovino: I hacked troll's warez burning floppy drive.
<Nosty> Talk about periods and the guys run away.
<Bovino> Yeah no shit
<Stomp> I'm afraid this new HD is going to melt.
<Stomp> It's big. As in physically. It's in the bottom drive bay of my machine (7200, standard desktop powermac case) and it barely fits in there.
<Stomp> With hardly any room for air to move.
<Bovino> You penis?
<Stomp> Yes. I am penis.
<Bovino> erg
<Balin> fuck i love to jump
<Balin> i love to jump
<Balin> don't give me that headbanging crap
<Balin> i love to jump
<Bovino> uh huh
<Bovino> I want stats
<Balin> moshing and basketball, bring it on
<Bovino> Bitchsketball
* Bovino hacks troll
<Balin> fuck i love to jump
<Bovino> WAKE UP DAMN YOU
<Balin> is that a poem?
<Nosty> Troll sucks.
<Balin> i want to be a poet, don't you know it?
<Nosty> He needs a bikini with that hair and chest.
<Bovino> Yeah, he'd be so sexy.
<Nosty> They are probably off buying another can of crisco.
<Bovino> Wellp off to bed
<Bovino> 7 hours of sleep :(
<Balin> i ate a hole personal pan pizza
<Bovino> I like more :)
<Bovino> you stud
<Bovino> :)
<Nosty> Balin, I heat tht much as well.
<Balin> then considered puttingmy fingers down my throught
<Nosty> Balin, that is called bulimia.
<Bovino> It's called pizza
<Balin> lol
<Balin> good call
<Balin> nosty i don't think i'm serious/.
<Nosty> I've never considered doing that.
<Balin> well, the throught crosses my mind
<Balin> klthought
<sno> I've never been able to.
<sno> Make myself vomit.
<Balin> i have. i drink about 3 litres of beer
<sno> Had plenty of times when I wanted to though.
<Bovino> OK
<Bovino> night all
<sno> Night.
<Balin> vaca, did i know you in a past nick incarnation?
<Bovino> Before I re-gained my rightful nick I calle dmyself bovino and cowstro
* Ap eats ritz and curses his damn salt cravings.
* Nosty buys a salt lick for appy.
* Ap nurses it lovingly.
<Balin> coke. damn good food substitute
<Balin> or a glass of milk.
<Balin> just enough to quench the craving
<Bovino> Goodnight I'm reallyt leaving this time!
<Balin> i applied to be am yth II beta tester
<Balin> er
<Balin> i applied to be a myth II beta tester
<Balin> under the alias 'fuck you'
<Balin> you know i did.
<Balin> 15000 miles away but you know my every thought
<sno> Sobe did a good job of eliminating my desire for food.
<Balin> scared of of nothing
<sno> All I've eaten today is a Sobe, a bagel with peanut butter, and two packages of M&Ms.
<Balin> nothing is sacred now
<Balin> ah - hah!
*** Signoff: appy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
<Balin> now there is nothing you can't have in your fucken life
<sno> I keep wondering what I am doing with my life.
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<sno> This is, I'm sure, a bad thing for me to be wondering.
<Balin> welcome to my hello, sno
<Balin> heh
<Balin> er
<Balin> um
<Balin> hell.
<sno> heh.
<sno> At least you have a job.
<Balin> true
<Balin> a job makes life much coler
<sno> Not having one is really destroying me.
<Balin> even with debt, a cashflow rocks
<Balin> i'm fucken apologetic hypocrit
<Balin> said that threee times
<sno> This is turning into the most trying period of my life.
<sno> The only thing that consistenly does what I want is my code.
<sno> God.
<sno> I want a coding job so badly.
<sno> I love it so much.
<sno> I can lose myself in it.
<Nosty> Geek poetry.
<sno> This is not poetry.
<sno> This is me being very unhappy with the way my life is going.
<Nosty> I was referring to writing code.
<sno> And the cat thinks he's chewing on something.
<Nosty> Oh, that's right, you guys got a cat.
<sno> Code is more than poetry.
<sno> So much more.
<Nosty> I'll have to remember that before coming over.
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<Balin> that is why if i can control nothing else, i must control my body sno
<sno> This is at the same time the happiest and the most unhappy time of my life.
<Balin> <sno> The only thing that consistenly does what I want is my code.
<sno> Yeah.
<Nosty> Sno, when did you get your cat?
<sno> Yesterday.
<Balin> code is like maths, absolute.
<Ap> http://www.fbi.gov/theft.htm
<sno> Code is a language to me.
<Nosty> Has it been neutered yet?
<sno> No.
<sno> This is killing me.
<Nosty> I'd get that done asap.
<Nosty> Food should be ready...
<sno> Fucking hell. I am without a job for the first time in seven years and without a girlfriend for the first time in four years. Why did these things have to come at the same time.
<Balin> sno, its a test, step up and through.
<Balin> you are strong enough.
<sno> I'm trying, but I feel like I don't have anything to stand up on.
<sno> Have you ever seen Jerry Maguire?
<Balin> nope
<sno> That movie hits such a note with me.
<sno> "Jerry can't be alone."
<Balin> i shall check it out
<sno> I'm alone. I don't want to be.
<Balin> ahhhh
<Balin> I'm alone, I don't want to be.
<sno> It's like I'm staring at myself on the screen. No job, no woman. It all turns out good for him in the end, but everything in between....
<sno> I'm going to go find some drink to make for myserf and get moderately smashed. Hopefully it will cheer me up and leave me coherent enough to code.
<Balin> why can i ircle just fine, but my shell to silver is lagged to fuck.
<Balin> ah.. i'm missing a lecture.
<Balin> brb ;)
<Ap> heh.
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<sno> I see these graduate students at Fry's. I want to be one. Living for your work and nothing else.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Ap: Born of revenge / Raised on cement / Chaos created government
<sno> I recogvize the look in their eyes and their appearance. 
<sno> They don't care about the world around them. All that matters to them is what they're worknig on.
<sno> I want late nights in a lab and cheap microwaveable food.
<sno> I want to fall in love with some piece of code and let it become me.
<sno> Because it won't go anywhere.
<Ap> man, are you melodramatic.
<sno> I'm sorry.
<sno> This is how I feel. That is what I want. I am not happy right now.
<Ap> s'alright, dude.
<sno> I'm not happy at all.
<Ap> i know.
<Ap> seeing all those bright eyed and bushy tailed folks with their educations makes you feel cheated?
<Stomp> I don't know what I want.
<Stomp> That information isn't in me.
<Stomp> So I just go with things I don't not want.
<Nosty> Listen can you hear him weeping?  Tears of joy and tears of sorrow.
<sno> Mao watches everything so intently.
<sno> He was fascinated by my doing the dishes and by the popcorn I just stuck in the microwave.
<Nosty> Oh, the cat's name is Mao?
<Stomp> Cat?
<Stomp> Mayo?
<Nosty> Stomp, they got a cat yesterday.
<sno> Chairman Mao. Leader of the Communist revolution.
<Stomp> Oh, HIM!
<sno> He doesn't like popcorn.
<sno> Which is good.
<sno> Because I wasn't planning to share.
<Nosty> Why did you guys name the cat that?
<Ap> i thought lenin was the leader of the communist revolution.
<sno> Not in China.
<Ap> chairman mao just a chinese lenin wannabe.
<sno> Because the cat is a Communist.
<sno> Besides, it's Bill's cat and Bill's name. But we liked it.
<Ap> it's a very cool name for a cat.  mescalynn loved it.
<Stomp> Cats are communists?
<Nosty> I guess Stomp.
<sno> This one is.
<Stomp> Naked Mole Rats are communists.
<Stomp> Bees and ants are communists.
<Stomp> well, kind of.
<Stomp> Those one monkeys that have all sorts of kinky casual sex are communists. There we go.
<Stomp> They're also bisexual. Coincidence?
<Nosty> What do they do Stomp?  Tie each other up and engage in flaggelation?
<Stomp> Or maybe it's just friendly same-sex mating.
<Nosty> Stomp, are you done with the porn I put up?
<Stomp> Porn?
<Stomp> I haven't even touched, it actaully.
<Nosty> nosty.nostalgia.net/Porn/
<Stomp> I've been busy restoring basic functionality to various parts of my computer.
<Nosty> THree pics are normal, three are not.
*** Topic change on #marathon by sno: Gays, hippies, cats. Communists. Every last one.
<Stomp> Bondagenema is foot loose and fancy free.
<Nosty> I like that one too Stomp.
<Ap> fargin commies.
<Nosty> I directed Brymen to biglesbos, but he didn't seem to like that.
<Stomp> Ooh, a BBS ad.
<Nosty> Oh yes, some of the porn is really old.
*** Topic change on #marathon by sno: Gays, hippies, cats, Canadians. Communists. Every last one.
<Nosty> Left on my hd's by exbfs.
<Stomp> Ancient BBS advertising slices, dices, and contains cheese culture.
<Stomp> JLJ5 is frighteningly normal.
<Nosty> That is one that my exbf put on my hd.
<Nosty> The strange shit is mine.
<sno> I'm going to write an article about how Canadianism has caused the decay of western society.
<Stomp> Bry didn't like the big lesbos??
<Nosty> No, he objected to it Stomp.
<Nosty> I thought he was totally into lesbians.
<Nosty> Apparently not.
<Ap> sno: there will be consequences if you go public with this little secret of ours.
<Stomp> He obviously just pretends to be for attention.
<sno> Another C word!
<Stomp> public?
<Nosty> What do you think of pissprty?
<Stomp> I think that every time it rains, it rains pennies from heaven.
<Stomp> But when you've got to go, you've got to go.
<Nosty> Stomp, I have lots of bizarre when you get a drive going again.
<Stomp> I think I want to reformat this new drive to be HFS+.
<Nosty> Lots of medical ones too.
<Stomp> I mean, 129k block sizes are insane.
<Nosty> Like the prolapsed uterus pic.
<Stomp> Neet.
<Stomp> If it's prolapsed, it has to be good.
<Nosty> I need to scan some pics from ob/gyn books I have.
<Nosty> This little device used to sterilize women.
<Nosty> Cool stuff.
<sno> That little device is called a shotgun.
<sno> Point and click. Bang. Infertile.
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<Mr_Cooger> Microsoft can eat a dick. 
<sno> Mao is just standing in the kitchen staring at me.
<sno> It's getting kind of creepy actually.
<Nosty> The best part about shotguns is their effectivness on both sexes.
<sno> I'm going to throw something at him.
<Nosty> I'm really surprised you guys got a cat.
<Mr_Cooger> This is unfuckingbelievable. I just spent the past 3 hours debugging a program that worked in NT but not 95. Why? Because Microsoft's documentation doesn't say that MaskBlt() is an NT-only function 
<Nosty> At least while in this apt.
<sno> Hm. I concede. The 17" monitor was not the ideal weapon.
<Ap> sno and nick love cats.  doesn't surprise me at all.
<sno> So does Adam.
<Nosty> Oh, I know Appy.
<Mr_Cooger> The function compiles in 95. It even runs in 95. It just doesn't do anything in 95. 
<Mr_Cooger> This kind of shit just doesn't happen when you're working with a real OS, like MacOS.
<Nosty> I remember Nick saying he didn't want one in the current apt.  Plus they are expensive, especially as kittens.
<Nosty> We spent so much money in the first year with Reina.
<Mr_Cooger> Why can Microsoft just not design a clean API? It's ridiculous. You need to call certain functions for their weird, unintuitive side-effects in order to get things done. 
<Mr_Cooger> I wouldn't care if Microsoft had a fucking monopoly if they would just care about the quality of the shit they force people to use. 
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* sno hums a song lyric and names a function, "IsItForMe."
<sno> Cooger, I think you just voiced a sentiment shared by the whole industry.
<Nosty> Toad the wet sprocket?
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<Mr_Cooger> I love it. Intel tries to diversify their product line. They can't make their low end chip slow enough, and they can't make their high end chip fast enough. 
<Squeaky> Those Cellorons are faster than P2's
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<Mr_Cooger> The Celeron A is the same speed and significantly cheaper than a P2. 
<Squeaky> ....when overclocked though
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, that's true. You can overclock those motherfuckers to 468Mhz. 
<Squeaky> They sell them as 300 MHz parts, but people have them running at 450+
<Squeaky> I don't think Intel are going broke any time soon though
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<Mr_Cooger> And some guy figured out how to run Celerons and Celeron As (or is that Celerons A?) in dual processor configurations. 
<sno> Doesn't the Celeron kind of... suck though.
<sno> Mmmm. Celery. I'd love some celery and ranch dresing.
<Squeaky> The first ones did
<Mr_Cooger> If Intel's engineers were competent, it might. 
<Squeaky> No L2 cache on 'em
<Mr_Cooger> But right now, there's no reason to buy a Pentium II because you can buy a Celeron for much less. 
<Squeaky> ...and drive Intels profits into the ground as a bonus
<Mr_Cooger> Wasn't Apple's problem that their product line was too diverse? 
<Mr_Cooger> Oh yeah, hopefully we'll be seeing those Altivec chips or whatever it was that IBM shipped to Apple soon. 
<Squeaky> Dont worry though - soon Merced will be here and we'll all be saved
<Mr_Cooger> Soon? Hah. 
<Squeaky> Sometime in the next 5 years anyway
<Squeaky> If they don't cancel in completely
<Mr_Cooger> Even Intel's going "Fuck Merced. Wait for McKinnley. It was made by HP, they know what they're doing". 
<Squeaky> At this rate, you really will be able to emulate x86 instructions on a PPC faster than on a native x86
<Mr_Cooger> Heh, that's right. 
<Mr_Cooger> Apple just seems to be a little behind the Mhz curve. 
<Mr_Cooger> And, like, BUS SPEED!!!!!!!!!!! 
<Squeaky> Yep, but apparantly, that makes very little difference for the MacOS at least
<sno> Everyone seems to be doing something wrong that the other guy is doing right.
<Mr_Cooger> Most people intuitively assume that a 300Mhz chip is slower than a 400Mhz chip. 
<Squeaky> with a big L2 cache that the G3's have
<sno> The good software is over here, the good hardware is over there, etc.
<Squeaky> Hence the 300/66 powerbook is 10% faster than the 292/83
<sno> This cat wants to bite every part of the human anatomy.
<sno> Nipples, ears, eyes, chin.
<Stomp> Genitals?
<sno> Not yet, thank god.
<Stomp> It's only a matter of time.
<sno> Pray.
<Stomp> Oh, I will.
<Stomp> To my own dark god.
<Stomp> Hmm. Sleep.
<Stomp> I suppose I should get to sleep earlier.
<Squeaky> Oh, and Intel have a big lead in SMP
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, Apple doesn't even do SMP. 
<Mr_Cooger> And even if they did, it wouldn't matter. 
<Squeaky> G3's don't easily
<Mr_Cooger> Because Apple doesn't want you to run any OSes other than theirs. 
<Mr_Cooger> Oh. 
<Mr_Cooger> Do G4s? 
<Squeaky> Yep
<Squeaky> The G3 was only intended to replace the 603e - low power mobile computing
<Balin> yeah there is talk of 12 g4s on one card
<Squeaky> but it ended up kicking the 604e in many tasks
<Mr_Cooger> Hmph. 
<Squeaky> G4 is where it's at 
<Mr_Cooger> (floating point)
<Mr_Cooger> When is G4 coming around again? 
<Squeaky> Apple already have 'em
<Balin> early next year
<Mr_Cooger> That means nothing. 
<Balin> released early next year
<Squeaky> Supposedly shipping 1st 98
<Balin> that will simply kick ass.
<Squeaky> and if Apple already have test chips, they could start shipping G4 Macs straight away
<Balin> aslong as macosx is SMP capable at the roots
<Squeaky> It should be unless they've gone and 'broken' it
<Balin> i wonder if the blue box would take advantage of multipl cpus
<Squeaky> Rhapsody isn't, but the kernel is
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, but OSX is an eternity away. 
<Balin> that would kikci ass.
<Mr_Cooger> Even NT5 should be out by the time OSX is. 
<Squeaky> Probably
<sno> Adam is running a beta of NT5 right now.
<Mr_Cooger> I know. 
<sno> It has this cool feature where it writes the contents of its RAM to disk, and then you can shut it down, power it off, and even move it or whatever, and then power it back up and it restores everything to exactly where you left it in less time than it takes to actually boot up.
<Mr_Cooger> That hybernation thing is something I want. 
<Squeaky> Although, OSX Server is the direct NT5 competition - that may well be out next month
<Mr_Cooger> OSX Server blows. 
<Balin> sno, thats what virtualpc does too
<Squeaky> That's still to be seen
<Mr_Cooger> It's just Rhapsody. 
<sno> Yeah, but that's an applicaton.
<Balin> so i can launch it in under 10 seconds
<Squeaky> Yeah, I can do that with Win98 under VPC
<sno> This is a whole operating  system.
<Mr_Cooger> The operating system launches in emulation as fast as it does for reals in this new beta. 
<Mr_Cooger> Hm. I'd say VPC got a head start on that one. 
<sno> It's the same basic idea but it's way cooler to see the whole machine powered off for 30 seconds or more, started back up again, and he doesn't even lose his IRC connection.
<Squeaky> You can do that on Sun boxes too
<Mr_Cooger> Apple needs to do that. 
<sno> I'd never seen it on anything prior to now.
<Squeaky> I even have a soft power button on this Sun keyboard to do it
<Mr_Cooger> You've never seen a laptop do it? 
<Mr_Cooger> Well, laptops kinda cheat. Nevermind. 
<Squeaky> laptops don't actually write out the memory though
<Squeaky> Still, it's a damn good idea
<Mr_Cooger> I'm just concerned about the disk space usage. With 128 megs of RAM.....
<Squeaky> ...whoever thought of it first
<Mr_Cooger> So far that hybernation thing is the only good thing I've heard about NT5. 
<Squeaky> You're concerned about 128 megs of disk space?
<Mr_Cooger> Yes. 
<Squeaky> in that case, you need some new HD space
<Mr_Cooger> Yes. 
<Mr_Cooger> I have an unpartitioned gig I was saving for BeOS......but that never fucking worked out. 
<Mr_Cooger> Fucking Be. 
<Mr_Cooger> I'm so tired of their bullshit. 
<Balin> heh. windowsnt was supposed to be released in 1991
<Quisition> Mr_Cooger> OSX Server blows.
<Quisition> <Mr_Cooger> It's just Rhapsody.
<Mr_Cooger> NT is a fucking monster. 
<sno> Groovy.
<Quisition> what's so "just" about Rhapsody?
<Mr_Cooger> Rhapsody is just Next. 
<Mr_Cooger> Next makes me flaccid. 
<sno> Yet another object file compiles and I'm going to bed.
<sno> Linking tomorrow.
<Quisition> uhmm.. NeXT is one of the UNIX flavors out there..
<Quisition> of the nicest..
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, one of the bad ones. 
<Quisition> what's bad about it?
<Mr_Cooger> The UI sucks, the API sucks. 
<Quisition> haha.. the API sucks.. must be why so many programmers use it..
<Mr_Cooger> Yellow Box is bullshit. 
<Quisition> YB is probably the best OO-environment available at the moment..
<Mr_Cooger> A better OO-environment is writing Win16 code in Pascal, Goddamnit. 
<Quisition> uhmm.. have you actually used it?
<Mr_Cooger> Yes. 
<Quisition> seems strange that you can say such a thing in that case..
<Mr_Cooger> Is OSXS sells 1 copy, I will be surprised. 
<Quisition> *shrug* I'm counting on getting for free so I don't think I'll buy it..
<sno> Well, I can guarantee you that you will be suprised then. I have no knowledge of the product itself, nor any of its merits, but honestly, it's an Apple product. People will buy it for that reason if nothing else.
<sno> Mac fanactics anyway.
<sno> Whether it sucks or not.
<Mr_Cooger> It's of no use to anyone. It wants to be a better NT than NT. Only it's worse. It has no leverage. It has no reason to be used over NT. And this is at a time when people hate NT in  favor of unix. 
<sno> Well, I agree that Unix is superior to, well, everything. The BeOS has a nice consistent GUI and is amazingly fast, but Gnome has promise. And I'm told that multiuser Be is kind of a joke.
<Quisition> whatever.. don't use it then..
<Quisition> Be is a joke..
<Mr_Cooger> Gnome can't compete with Be. 
<sno> But seriously, there are people out there who will by whatever Apple puts out there.
<sno> Well, Gnome isn't trying to compete with anyone.
<Quisition> have to run to a meeting now..
<sno> But I'm inclined to agree.
<sno> I think the BeOS could make me very happy though, and I fully intend to run it when I have the funds to buy a computer for it and buy the OS.
<sno> Maybe by that time I'll feel confident enough to register as a developer and start cranking stuff out.
<Mr_Cooger> As for multi-user Be. Well, great. I don't need multi-user support, and I find it kind of a pain in NT. 
<sno> Like a better telnet program, for starters, if all of them suck as much as I hear they do.
<sno> Be beisg based so heavily on the Unix kernel and then not being multi-user, not effectively anyway, strikes me as odd.
<Mr_Cooger> It's not based on the unix kernel at all. 
<Mr_Cooger> That's what's so great about it. 
<Nosty> I just realized what a scary song this is.
<sno> Well, it's rebuilt from the ground up, yes, but, I mean come on, it's got a Bash shell.
<Mr_Cooger> That means nothing. 
<Nosty> Whatever it takes, I will make you mine.
<sno> It sure struck me as being Unix like.
<Mr_Cooger> So it supports Posix. 
<sno> <shrug>
<Mr_Cooger> Anything can support Posix. 
<sno> Regardless, I desperately want a BeBox of my own and desperately want to develop for it.
<sno> Ideally, I see myself with at least three PCs. One for FreeBSD/X. Another for the BeOS, and another to play around with Linux, WindowsXX on.
<Mr_Cooger> You might have trouble finding a BeBox. 
<sno> Well, I mean a PC built with the intent of running the BeOS on it.
<sno> But I'd love a genuine BeBox as well.
<Nosty> BeBoxen were way cool.
<Nosty> I remember drooling over them.
<Mr_Cooger> All BeBoxes had that were worth anything were those rows of lights showing the load. 
<sno> And cool styling.
<Mr_Cooger> That falls under cool styling. 
<Mr_Cooger> JLG is really not the best guy to run a company.
<sno> They're a piece of history. Of my life. A collector's item like an old C64 or an Atari. I want one.
<Nosty> Hrm.  What do people do when they aren't on irc!
<sno> Code.
<Nosty> I really hate the purepak script that makes your idle time always under a minute.
<sno> Read a ton of mailing lists.
<sno> So run Lice3 and irc-2.8.2-EPIC3.004.
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<Mr_Cooger> Zanshin is such a loser. I love it. 
<sno> Who is she?
<sno> He.
<sno> The name is familiar.
<Mr_Cooger> Ah, such a long story. First he announces that he is writing a 3Dfx openGL driver. 
<Mr_Cooger> The night before he was to release it, he suddenly claims that his computers are being siezed because of a lawsuit against him. 
<sno> Bummer.
<Mr_Cooger> No one can find any suit against David VanDeven. 
<Mr_Cooger> No company claims to be suiing him. 
<sno> Cute.
<Mr_Cooger> Well, next he gets a job programming drivers at a company, STB I think. 
<Mr_Cooger> Well, then he takes off for 3 months all of a sudden without notice and, surprise, is fired. 
<Mr_Cooger> Turns out he doesn't know how to write drivers at all. 
<Mr_Cooger> So next, he is married all of a sudden. He has known the woman for 3 days. 
<sno> This guy is leading quite the life.
<Mr_Cooger> 4 months later, he disappears. After 4 months, he reappears. Turns out he has been moving from hotel to hotel because he is (surprise) dirvorced. 
<Mr_Cooger> So that's where things stand right now. 
<sno> Does OpenGL stand for Open Graphics Library?
<Mr_Cooger> Yup. 
<sno> I gather the acronym GL was around long before OpenGL then?
<sno> If not, why not just call it OGL?
<Mr_Cooger> (This guy runs a website, btw. People actually listen to what he says. www.planetquake.com/gldojo). 
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, GL is used in other libraries as well. 
<Mr_Cooger> And certainly was before OpenGL came along. 
<sno> Oh, I think I've seen that page before.
<Mr_Cooger> And, people do call it OGL. 
<sno> Not any time recently though.
<Mr_Cooger> I think maybe OGL was harder to copyright or trademark or something. 
<sno> Ah.
<sno> Hm.
<sno> I think I'm actually going to close my eyes and sleep now.
<Mr_Cooger> Much like Intel trying to trademark the number 486. 
<sno> Good night, #marathon.
<Mr_Cooger> (And the letter I, btw). 
<Mr_Cooger> (So they settled on i486). 
<Nosty> Men just rewl.
<Nosty> Who else will give you an honest answer?
<Mr_Cooger> Not women. They're all liars. 
<Squeaky> ...and schemers
<Nosty> I have yet to figure out where to hang my license plates.
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<Squeaky> On your car?
<Squeaky> I find that a good place.  Stops the police from pulling me over
<Squeaky> actually, it doesn't.  It just gives them one less reason
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<Squeaky> Hey, you can have your own 640gigabit trans-atlantic connection for $1.5 billion
<Squeaky> I could do with one of those
<Balin> exec screen -r
<Balin> there has to be a shortcut for that
<Balin> not that i can't type it lightning quick
<Squeaky> alias a exec screen -r
<Squeaky> or whatever
<Squeaky> or put it in your .cshrc
<Balin>  aj
<Balin> ah
<Balin> rather
<Squeaky> although, you'd probably want to make some checks that there is a screen session and it's not already connected
<Balin> no wi know why i use a mac
<Balin> i'm too lazy to mess with settings
<Balin> i haven't cleaned up my netscape bookmarks in... ever
<Squeaky> I have screen -list in my .cshrc so I know whether my screen is still running when I login
<Squeaky> otherwise, I do an exec screen -r, find out the screen is dead, and have to login again
<Squeaky> Oh, that new Unreal image worked
<Balin> yeah? :)
<Squeaky> Seems to be quite playable on the 3400/200
<Balin> what do you think of the game?
<Squeaky> I only played for 15 mins.  I couldn't really get into it as I couldn't remap the keys
<Squeaky> the default is set up to use the numberpad or arrow keys for moving
<Balin> you can remap them
<Balin> in the preferences
<Squeaky> But the powerbook doesn't have a number pad, and the arrow keys are in a line rather than the inverted T
<Squeaky> But, for instance, it wouldn't let me map the O to forward
<Squeaky> I presume O is used for something else already, but from the graphical interface, you couldn't see what
<Squeaky> you'd have to go into that complex setup mode
<Squeaky> Anyway, I'll have to test it out on a 'real' keyboard before I think of buying it.
<Nosty>  
<Nosty> Eeek sorry.
<Squeaky> Ssshhh
<Nosty> Putting some thread through artwork to hang.
<Nosty> Now I need some finishing nails, a stud sensor and a hammer.
<Squeaky> I have a hammer
<Mr_Cooger> Don't you already have a stud sensor? 
<Nosty> You mean built in Cooger?
<Squeaky> Yeah, you seem to have McP well pegged
<Nosty> :)
<Nosty> McP is very studly :)
<Squeaky> OK, so all you need now are the finishing nails
<Nosty> I wonder if the metal from these license plates are going to put rust marks on the wall in the bathroom.
<Squeaky> laminate the backs first
<Squeaky> lots of clear nail varnish would do the trick
<Nosty> True.  I'm thinking of just hanging as is.
<Nosty> Put up my route 66 sign too.
<Nosty> I don't mind the the plates get a bit rusted.  They are supposed to be.
<Squeaky> The bathroom is probably not the best place for soft steel/iron
<Nosty> They did hang in my vanity area of my old apt without trouble.
<Squeaky> Don't they do license plates in stainless steel?  Or titanium for extra light sports cars
<Nosty> These are sentimental plates.  I also painted them when I was 12.
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<Balin> i like emails where the sig is 1000% longer than the content
<Squeaky> You do?  Siko!
<Squeaky> Sicko
<Squeaky> Hrm
<Balin> especiually when they are kewl quotes
<Balin> i scammed a free imac t shirt :)
<Balin> i will wear it with pride
<Balin> especially since anyone likely to pick a fight will be half my height, and have inch thick glasses
<Squeaky> I read that the iMac will be demoed at UNSW on monday
<Balin> unsw, across town
<Balin> well, 30 minutes away
<Balin> too far for me
<Balin> its being demoed on saturday at statusgraph
<Squeaky> You should go anyway.  Maybe you'll get more free stuff
<Balin> a comp store, big one, all mac. just down the road from where i live
<Balin> i might go to that
<Balin> where my t shirt.
<Balin> wear
<Balin> maybe i shouldn't wear it, i might be able to scam a second one, then wear them on alternate days
<Squeaky> I wonder when the Apple Designs store is going back on line.  I want to get some Think Different posters for my office
<Squeaky> I won't allow anyone in unless they think different
<Balin> http://www.apple.com.au/imac/wheretogo/
<Squeaky> I tried to scam some from the local Apple resellers, but they had other plans for 'em
<Squeaky> damn Italians
<Balin> i could grab a huge imac poster, 
<Balin> my work got a whole bunch of stuff
<Squeaky> There's not going to be any big iMac parties here by the looks of things either
<Balin> a former employee was a mac user
<Balin> they dumped all this imac promo stuff in there, and no one wanted it
<Balin> i wasn't going to nab it all in one go though
<Squeaky> the country really isn't set up for that sort of thing
<Balin> cool, the scanner is free. brb - switching machines
<Squeaky> Even Apple Computer, Russia have a better site than Italia
<Squeaky> Italy
<Balin> mmm
<Balin> air conditioned mac lab
<Balin> sterile.
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
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<Spht> _Troll_XL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Nosty> Hey Trollie.
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<Nosty> That cunt.
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<Nosty> Comes in here and teases me like that.
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<Balin> woah
<Balin> quiet tonigh
<Balin> t
<Nosty> Very quiet.
<Nosty> That's okay.  I'm flirting with a friend :)
<Balin> i have never felt more human that i have been feeling today
<Balin> i understand how to be happy
<Balin> i understand why i wasn't happy.
<Balin> i hope this works out :)
<Balin> who's the friend nosty?>
* Nosty blushes.
<Nosty> I don't tell :)
<Balin> when you say flirting, does that involve naked massages?
<Nosty> No, I'm not into the netsex thing.
<Balin> oh
<Balin> flirting on irc.
<Balin> heh
<Nosty> It's very subtle.  Much more erotic that way.
<Balin> scully deepthroat mulder.
<Balin> 3 characters from the x files.
<Balin> is that subtle?
<Nosty> I've just known people online for years. 
<Balin> hmm
<Balin> i need to eavesdrop
<Balin> pick up tips
<Nosty> On who?
<Balin> you
<Nosty> On how to flirt?
<Balin> yeah
<Balin> i mean, where do you learn how to flirt?
<Nosty> You just pick it up.
<Balin> i lap it up when it comes my way, but i don't know how to give it back
<Balin> maybe thats just the way flirting works
<Nosty> I asked a friend to basically choose the material for my next corset.
<Balin> hey woman, wanna come underwear shoppin with me?
<Nosty> Anyway, you smile a bit.
<Balin> sorry.
<Balin> mmm binge
<Nosty> You can ask what she thinks is cool, boxers or briefs if you don't have a choice.
<Balin> these crispy potato chips are baked, not fried. so its ok
<Balin> hoah waoh aufkc
<Balin> ask a girl what she thinks is cool, boxers or briefs
<Balin> shit.
<Nosty> Yeah, why not?
<Balin> i couldn't keep a straight face saying that
<Balin> i'd be on the floor
<Nosty> Hehehe.
<Balin> and she'd just go, you fucken weirdo
<Nosty> Nerd gets totally confused by my wanting to wear cool under things.
<Balin> getaway
<Balin> she'd walk off, i'd still be lieing there.
<Nosty> There are many things that he sees as women do to please men.  For the most part, he's right.
<Nosty> He sees it as he doesn't need me wearing frilly stuff, so why bother?
<Balin> i need to think of th enext lines
<Balin> so, she says boxers...
<Balin> my boys need a house.
<Balin> nah
<Balin> he
<Balin> er
<Balin> ok
<Nosty> So I have various friends who give me their opinions.
<Balin> i can not handle wearing boxers
<Nosty> Nah, discuss say briefs.  Normal briefs or boxer briefs?
<Nosty> Or does she think thongs are sexy?
<Balin> thongs?
<Nosty> I personally do not.
<Nosty> I'm so boring on what I think men look good in.
<Balin> i prefer naked.
<Nosty> You sound like Nerd.  Then you shake your head and roll your eyes when I have to get silver colored panties.
<Balin> silver?
<Balin> eek
<Balin> lace... mmm
<Nosty> Oh, you like lace?
<Nosty> So do I.
<Balin> simple
<Balin> damnit, i want to start a conversation by 'what do you think is cooler, boxers or briefs'?
<Nosty> Do you like push up bras?
<Balin> i am not experienced enough to have an opinion on that. 
<Balin> i know what i like
<Balin> whether a push up bra is used to ahieve that or not i do not know.
<Nosty> They basically make cleavage.
<Balin> i can not keep my eyes off cleavage
<Nosty> Ahh, so there you go.
<Balin> its like, instant, oh my go di want to fuck you.
<Balin> well..
<Nosty> Breast do not gravitate to the center of a womans chest naturally.
<Balin> they do when they bend forward
<Balin> actually i would say maybe not to push up bras
<Balin> i prefer natural
<Balin> no
<Nosty> Like demi cup bras.
<Nosty> Basically little on the top.
<Balin> probably
<Balin> no bra can be good.
<Balin> ;)
<Balin> i do now understand people who can where boxers
<Nosty> I rarely go braless.
<Balin> does it not bother thyem when they sit on themselves? what abou tthe slapping?
<Nosty> You'll have to ask Troll, Sno, Porker, and Fuge.
<Nosty> Fudge rather.
<Balin> i would rather go underwearless than wear boxers.
<Nosty> Well you know how I feel about going braless.
<Balin> i love to sleep naked.
<Nosty> I typically do.
<Balin> i hate the restriction of clothes
<Nosty> Or just in undies.
<Nosty> Me too.
<Balin> yeah, undies or nothin
<Balin> but with nothin, i lock my door.
<Nosty> My mom sent me night clothes for my birthday.
<Balin> no idea who might come in in the morning and get a shock
<Nosty> My mom said on the phone that she thought I might change my ways.
<Balin> er
<Balin> why?
<Nosty> My parents have realized I'm a full grown woman.
<Balin> so more mature people where clothes to bed?
<Nosty> I'm no longer a toddler, I can't run around nude now :)
<Balin> wear
<Balin> i can't get this where wear thing right
<Balin> i don't type either enough to get it rright subconsciencely
<Nosty> It's basically a cover up statement.
<Balin> you know i was so busy apoligising and explaining to htis girl what was wrong with me i only glossed over the fact that i find her extremely attractive
<Balin> damnit
<Balin> i promised i wouldn't email her again.
<Balin> which i think is a good idea
<Balin> i'll just have to tell her in real life
<Balin> ;)
<Balin> i'm gonna get smooth talking lessons from my older brother
<Nosty> Smooth talking lessons, oh come on.
<Balin> heh
<Nosty> It's totally personality.
<Balin> i mean like, really really basic stuff
<Balin> like, how to introduce yourself
<Balin> how to ask someone for their name without sounding like a goofball
<Nosty> Just add a bit of charm.
<Balin> can do.
<Balin> i've got 8 months of uni life to catch up on.
<Squeaky> McP will run an online smooth talking course for #Marathon
<Nosty> I really think women read intentions.  At least tha tis important to me.
<Balin> fair enough
<Nosty> If you keep in mind that you just want to have a bit of fun, that's great.
<Balin> my intentions are to be happy, and make other people happy.
<Nosty> I don't like alterior motives.
<Balin> like say, wanting to bend you over?
<Nosty> Correct.
<Balin> since there is only one girl i want to bend over, i think i can handle it.
<Nosty> I really don't want sex initially.
<Nosty> Then again, I'm told I'm a prude.
<Balin> ah fuck
<Balin> i have work to do
<Balin> damnit. ircing is too good.
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<McP> Smooveness cannot be taught.  I was born to smoove.
<Nosty> Hey McP.
<Nosty> You are very correct.
<McP> As usual.
<Nosty> Balin should just watch us interact.  It's flirtatious.
<McP> I'm always right, everyone else is wrong, and I'll argue about it until everyone agrees.
<Nosty> Hehehehe.
<Nosty> Even on the smallest points.
<Nosty> McP, would you go to a lesbian bar with me?
<McP> I will pick apart what you say on irc if it helps me to prove my correctness.
<McP> Sure.
<Nosty> You mean your phallus.
<McP> I used to go to one quite frequently.
<Nosty> Exert your male power.
<Nosty> Watch me become aghast with passion.
<McP> I go to bars to have beers.
<Nosty> I might be hanging on some of the S&M scene when I hit San Fran next.
<Nosty> I'm thinking a stop in High Gear or something.
<McP> er, actually, let me amend that.
<McP> I used to go to a lesbian bar quite frequently.
<Squeaky> Are you going to tell us why you used to hang out in lesbian bars?
<Nosty> No.
<McP> I used to hang out at those bars because I got tired of being hit on.
<Squeaky> Was this so you could practise your smooveness in a safe environment?
<Squeaky> And you stopped going because they hit on you anyway?
<McP> No, its just that it was the closest bar to my friend's apartment.
<McP> Wild Wild West off of Mission.
<McP> It wasn't hardcore.
<Nosty> McP, we'll hang out wherever in San Fran.
<McP> ok
<Nosty> I might make you dance with me.
<McP> That won't be happening.
<Nosty> Why not?
<McP> Because its dancing.
<McP> Duh.
<Nosty> You fuck.  It's the samething, vertically in public.
<McP> It is not the same thing.
<Nosty> Alright.
<McP> I don't get blow jobs on the dance floor.
<Nosty> Then you won't mind being abadoned if I decide to go dance.
<McP> Not at all.  I'll just drinxor.
<Nosty> But you can look up my skirt on the dance floor.
<McP> Your skirt has to be worth looking up.
<Nosty> You can ask Pharoh.
<Squeaky> Can't you look up skirts without dancing?
<Nosty> You can.
<Squeaky> Well, that settles it then
<Nosty> Well I'll go dance anyway.
<Squeaky> McP can sit on the floor drinking, and everyone can dance over him
<McP> That could be dangerous.
<Squeaky> 'Everyone' being a bar full of lesbians
<McP> I might see up a guy's skirt by accident.
<Nosty> I have a way to get his lips wet without the beer.
<Squeaky> There probably aren't too many guys in skirts in a lesbian bar
<Squeaky> actually, I take that back.
<Nosty> Sure there are.
<Nosty> The transvestites.
<McP> bba6:30
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<Ap> morning.
<Nosty> Where is Tart, I need him to tell me I suck right now.
<Squeaky> Does it need to be Tart?
<Nosty> I'm having mashed potatoes and gravy for breakfast.  
<Nosty> Now you can tell me I suck.
<Squeaky> You do suck
<Nosty> Although you guys do realize that saying I suck is sorta near me calling you a cuntfucker?
<Squeaky> although, I see nothing wrong with having mashed potatoes and gravy for breakfast
<Squeaky> I'm insulted
<Nosty> I think it just bothers people that I weigh 85 lbs. and eat like this.
<Nosty> Gravy is so fantastic.
<Ap> 85lbs. at your height is too little.
<Nosty> I know Ap.
<Nosty> Remind me again.  Make me feel ethiopian.
<Ap> my gf is the same height as you and is 107lbs, which is pushing it.
<Nosty> I know I am too thin.
<Ap> ain't yer fault though.
<Nosty> I do eat.  I'm rather healthy.
<Ap> we're all slaves to our genes.
<Nosty> Exactly.
<Nosty> The only way for women in my family to keep weight is to get pregnant.
* Squeaky has absolutely no idea what he weighs
<Squeaky> and doesn't care either
<Nosty> I really like the idea of 100 lbs. even.  110 sounds ideal.  Since I met Fedor, even 120 sounds good.
<Nosty> I'd love to be a size 5/6 most of all.
<Ap>  /me would be perfectly happy if his other half was around 115-120.
<Ap> er, yeah.
<Nosty> I think 130 might be pushing it.
<Ap> definitely.
<Ap> she's absolutely beautiful as she is now, this much is certain.  i'm just a chronic worrier about her health.
<Nosty> Why?
<Ap> well, i wish she would eat more for starters.  and she has all sorts of congenital health issues to boot.
<Nosty> Ahhh.  I understand.
<Ap> (she was born 3 months too early.)
<Nosty> I have allergies and a touch of asthma.  That isn't related to weight.
<Ap> kind of weird when we're cuddling on the couch and i'm listening to heart, then it does its murmur thing.
<Ap> her heart, rather.
<Nosty> I love doing that.
* Ap eyes the PBG3 and sighs wistfully.
<Nosty> I don't want one, not unless they get the weight down.
<Ap> i kind of like big powerbooks.
<Ap> like that line in 'Aliens':  "Feel the weight."
<Nosty> Well, I can't carry the weight.
* Ap is an ox.
<Nosty> I carry lots of crap to begin with.  8 lbs matters.
<Ap> you're more of a Duo person.
<Nosty> I have a duo.
<Nosty> In fact, I'm on it now.
<Ap> good call, ap.
<Nosty> TacoSupreme is the name.
* Ap is looking at a 2300c.
<Ap> thinkin'.
<Nosty> Folded right, it's a taco and it's the fastest of duos.
<Nosty> That is what I have.
<Ap> you like it?
<Nosty> Very much so.
<Ap> hmm.
<Ap> Mac Duo 2300c 16/750 w/14.4 modem Colour Active Display $1299
<Nosty> I have the 56/750 with 19.2 modem.
<Ap> my only concern is getting 8.5 onto the thing.
<Ap> i'd be pretty screwed without a dock, wouldn't i?
<Nosty> Hmmm.  Dunno.
<Nosty> Yeah, get a full sized dock.
<Nosty> I have the full dock and a mini for travel.  The best investment I have is an etherdock.
<Ap> is a DuoDock II the full sized one?
<Nosty> Yes, or DuoDock Plus has the ethernet card.
<Ap> there's no Ethernet in the II?
<Nosty> I don't think there is.
<McP> Man, that Apple stock is gonna shoot up some more.
<Ap> damn.  it's got nubus slots.
<Ap> just try finding a nubus ethernet card nowadays.
<Nosty> Appy, I'm sure I have some around.
<Nosty> Along with some radius cards for the video.
<Ap> actually, i could probably ask a particular friend of mine.
<Ap> given is employer, i'm sure he has lots of them around.
<Ap> s/is/his.
<Nosty> I keep all kinds of parts for my stuff.
<Nosty> Get an asante or farallon.
<Ap> i'll get whatever falls into my lap if i actually get the thing.  i don't have the luxury of spending too much #.
<Ap> $.
<Nosty> I got my cards for about $35.
<Nosty> Sometimes less.
<Ap> i can probably get some for 0 dollars.
<Ap> or lunch or something.
* Ap is connected.
<Nosty> That does help Appy.
<Nosty> Especially since I tend to demand sexual favors. :)
<Ap> you wish, girlie.
<Nosty> I'm so terribly easy to please.
<Nosty> Take me to a large bookstore.
<Ap> you seem to be forgetting geography.
<Nosty> Make sure they have a gay/lesbian studies section, women's studies, medical and psychology.
<Nosty> I'm sure we'll meet irl one day.
<McP> Bleah, all they need is a large computer geek section.
<Nosty> McP can get me off just by taking me to bookstores in Santa Cruz.
<McP> Girl, I could get you off just using my pinky toe.
<Nosty> You probably could.
<McP> There is no 'probably' about it.
<McP> Its 100% probable.
* Nosty displays a prominent smile.
<Nosty> Don't tell me what to think!
<Ap> heh.  a 5300 for 950.
<Ap> it's almost tempting, despite their dubious history.
<Nosty> The 1400's are going for an excellent price.
<Nosty> They are like $1500.
<Ap> US.
<Nosty> I forgot you have the weak dollar :)
<Ap> very weak.
<McP> heh
<Nosty> Oh, I heard a good one recently.
<Nosty> Women:  Can't shoot 'em, can't send them to Canada.
<McP> Why can't you send them to Canada?
<Nosty> Dunno.
<Nosty> I'm just repeating what was said.
<McP> I agree that you can't shoot them, though.
<Kritter> ap is being bad.
<McP> That I am not arguing.
<Nosty> Oh c'mon, you can shoot them.
<Nosty> It's the most effective birth control.
<Kritter> fuck em then shoot em? Or shoot the kid?
<Nosty> Just blast out their womb.
<McP> You can WANT to shoot them.  I can't deny you the right to WANT to.
<Nosty> You might get lucky and have extra orfices.
<Nosty> But the ACTION is wrong.
<Nosty> :)
<McP> That's what I'm saying!
<Nosty> LOL!
<Nosty> Why is it that I meet people from this channel in person, and they take everything I say and argue about it.
<McP> Are you sure its just this channel?
<Nosty> Yes.
<Nosty> I've met lots of people from other channels.
<Nosty> I've had much more candid discussions as well.
<McP> Who have you met from this channel?
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<Nosty> I've met Troll, Fudge, Porker, Unya, and Sno.  I met Brymen from #macintosh gatherings.
<Nosty> Oh, I've also met Omat and Pharoh.
<McP> And they all argue about stuff you say?
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<Nosty> Omat and I get along along well.  There is harrassment, but it's fun.
<Nosty> Pharoh is also easy to get along with.
<Nosty> Oh, and I took him to a lesbian feminist bookstore.
<Nosty> He didn't realize what was up until about 5 minutes after going in.
<Nosty> I can't figure out what I've done.  I had Tart messaging me asking that.
<McP> Well, arguing is ok to an extent.  But there comes a point when it becomes pointless.
<Nosty> It is so stupid.
<Nosty> They say it's because they've been wronged.
<McP> There are people that will argue and argue until the other side caves.
<jkowall> no way mcp!
<McP> yup, its true
<jkowall> you slut bitch crackwhore
<jkowall> wanna take this outside?
<McP> Dude, I'll stuff you.
<Nosty> God forbid they are asked to leave a lesbian bar.  There are women in there confused!
<jkowall> I'll w00p your navy ass
<Nosty> Like everyday isn't an opportunity to be heterosexual.
<jkowall> hmmmm
<Nosty> Where is stomp when I need him?
* Nosty puts on her phallus and bangs it on the desk.
<McP> jk: You op whore.
<jkowall> :P
<Nosty> People will complain, watch out.
<jkowall> they can complain all they want
<jkowall> I'll just pipe their copmments directly to /dev/null
<jkowall> comments
<McP> Damn Sun keyboard.
<Nosty> I don't like the Sun layout.
<Nosty> The put the control key in the wrong place.
<Wood> yo jk
<Wood> yo mcp
<McP> The one at my desk is normal.
<jkowall> hey w00d0000
<Nosty> Oooh, there is Wood.
<jkowall> I left you a message
<jkowall> I was bored last night
<jkowall> I needed some lovin
<McP> But I've been using this one at HQ and the one at home too often.
<Wood> I heard that I had a message, but I haven't heard it yet.
<Nosty> Wood, I was told that I can use you as a stand-in woman because you've worn a dress.
<McP> Not just because he's worn a dress.
<jkowall> when is the bbque
<McP> He's just a bitch.
<Wood> Who's got my dress photos?
<Wood> I scanned them a long time ago.
<jkowall> he's not a bitch like you are when U drink dave.
<Nosty> Wood, wanna be a stand-in woman for me?
<McP> Not I.
* Wood just booted his mac for the first time in 6 months
<Nosty> I mean, when McP and Jk are sitting around stuffing each other, I get envious.
<jkowall> were U wearing steeltoe boots?
<Wood> There's a long list of people who are making me their bitch, you're gonna have to take a number and get in line.
<jkowall> speaking fo bitches where is zeid the arab madman?
<jkowall> of
<jkowall> !seen superspy
<jkowall> useless bot.
<Nosty> I need someone to pretend to have homosexual relations with me.
<McP> Wodo: Careful with Lothy's penis.
<jkowall> ooh he was just here
<Nosty> Hahaha!
<McP> jk: Spy was here yesterday
<jkowall> cool
<Wood> jk: I don't know superspy.
<McP> I sent him e-mails yesterday until he showed up.
<Nosty> Poor Lothy.
<jkowall> neither do anymore he never calls me anymore, I think he found a new camel
<Wood> McP did you read that Sun Assyrian article?
<jkowall> hehe
<Wood> Is it on a sun bulitin board?
<Nosty> I'm trying to comfort him via msg.
<jkowall> does he workf or BE now?
<McP> Yeah, I read it.
<McP> Weekly Week kinda sucks.
<jkowall> its ok.
<jkowall> I picked up a copy last week
<jkowall> of the weekly week
<jkowall> it comes out weekly
<McP> No way!
<Wood> It's pretty crummy. They need more submissions.
<jkowall> its about the week too
<jkowall> I don't think the weekly week is that weak.
<Nosty> JK, do you live in the bay area?
<McP> Don't make me kick you.
<jkowall> never!
<jkowall> :)
<jkowall> I live in boston with my whore wodo
<McP> Nobody lives here but me.
<McP> And omat and erin.
<jkowall> and mcneeley
<Nosty> Hahaha.
<jkowall> and abouty 500,000 guy men
<McP> I. P. McNealy
<Nosty> I'll have to introduce you to my friends McP.
<jkowall> gay
<jkowall> nosty : are they female?
<Nosty> No Jk.
<jkowall> he needs a womenz
<jkowall> there are only asians at sun.
<jkowall> :)
<Nosty> He likes the married type.
<jkowall> hehe
<Nosty> I don't know any married women.
<Wood> The morning secretary is hot.
<Wood> So I've heard.
<jkowall> my school is using firstclass as their mailserver now
<jkowall> its pretty damn funny
<Nosty> I don't think McP has an objection to asian women.
<Wood> WIT is lame! NU Rulz!
<jkowall> I just broke up with a thai girl.
<jkowall> I got sick of her crap.
<Nosty> Jk, from what I hear, you are a slut anyway.
<jkowall> whoa
<jkowall> ez
<jkowall> I'm not a slut.
<McP> The morning receptionist is getting married in February.
<McP> She is so fucking hot.  And Asian.
<Nosty> There is your chance McP.
<jkowall> mmmmm
<McP> And she's not just nice to me because she's paid to be nice.
<jkowall> lots of cutie freshmen at school now :)
<Wood> And she's impressed that you watch BET.
<Nosty> Ewww!
<jkowall> hehe
<McP> No, that's the afternoon receptionist.
<Nosty> The coeds are so dumb.
<Nosty> Makes my skin crawl.
<jkowall> what does the morning receptionist do in the afternoon?
<McP> She is black and married.
<jkowall> I bet I know...
<jkowall> mmmm, yeah i know.
<McP> Actually, they're both around all day now.
<jkowall> bullshit
<Nosty> McP, go get busy with the married women.
<McP> The morning receptionist answers phones, the other is backup.
<Nosty> They are in a convenient location.
<jkowall> I could never do what dave did.
<McP> Then they switcheroo at noonish.
<Wood> Hide under the desk.
<jkowall> did you complain about that?
<jkowall> file a complaint
<Nosty> Yeah, that tension in their voices can be cured.
<Nosty> Go down on them.
<jkowall> hehe
<McP> I'll pass on the afternoon one.  She's large and unattractive.
<Bovino> mmmm
<jkowall> brb
<jkowall> GHETTO BOOTIE!
* Nosty bumps Vaca.
<Bovino> wooo
<Nosty> Unf!
<Nosty> Hey, I decided that I wanna take Summer to a lesbian bar.
* jkowall is away. outie _SZon_
<Bovino> I don't know that she'd go for that ;)
<Nosty> I don't think she would.
<Nosty> Too many wimmin.
<Nosty> I'd take a womyn over a dolphin anyday.
<McP> I wouldn't exactly be in my comfort zone being in a crowded lesbian bar.
<Nosty> I've seen men there.  Usually they are gay or transvestites or transsexuals.
<Wood> I can't get sound to work with video in.
<Bovino> Or trying to catch women feeling each other's breasts
<Wood> .mov of Shop at Home might be in jeopardy.
<Nosty> Don't say that around Nick.
<Nosty> He'll deny that statement you just made vaca.
<Wood> I've seen Nosty in there too. I was wearing a dress.
<Nosty> Oh, I've been to the gay/lesbian hang outs.
<Bovino> Ifun to suck on a D-I-C-K
<Bovino> Young man, there's no need to be down, I said young man I can lick all around
<McP> Wodo: Make the .mov
<Bovino> anyway
<Nosty> Whee Vaca.
<Wood> When I have video coming in through the video card, it kills all sound through the mic.
<Wood> I don't want to re-install 8.1 again
<McP> So record the sound seperately.
<Bovino> Young chick, get your labia wet, I said young chick, here's what you can get
<Wood> Maybe there's a video player patcher
<Bovino> it's fun to suck on a C-L-I-T
<Nosty> Vaca, where did you get these lyrics?
<Bovino> I just made them up
<Nosty> Hahaha.
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<Wood> Heh
<Bovino> Nerd won't be up until lik noon, right?
*** Topic change on #marathon by Wood: Stats, or someone dies.
<Nosty> Probably Vaca.
<Nosty> We should go get bagels some morning.
<Bovino> 'cause I swore he told me to video tape the presentation but Nick thinks he meant just what is on the screen and not the speaker.  That makes more sense, but I wasn't sure :)
<Nosty> I should get something relatively normal for breakfast once.
<Bovino> Bagels make me sick now, or maybe its the herb garlic cream cheese I lather on them.
<Bovino> I agree, STATS STATS
<Bovino> We need to have good s-t-a-t
<Nosty> I dunno Vaca.
<Bovino> squeaky, don't mean to be rude, I said squeaky, I known I'm a prude
<McP> FIT@SUN Presents ... Meditation Skills for Health and Peak Performance
<Bovino> But you suck, and we need our damn stats or we'll have to kill you
<Nosty> But if they just wanted what is on the screen, why wouldn't you just copy that directly and not use the camera?
<Nosty> Nifty McP.
<Nosty> You should cash in on all those chair massages you can get.
<Bovino> Nosty: exactly, I'm not sure, I think I'll jsut do it that way
<Bovino> Chair massages?
<McP> Only if the morning receptionist performs them.
<Nosty> Vaca, someone comes around the massages you while you sit in an office chair.
<Wood> Squeaky is just going to make up stats to shut us up.
<Wood> He should track frequency of the word "stats"
<Nosty> I could join a convent if there were massages involved.
<McP> Nosty: Actually, I think they set up a room and you go lie on a table.
<Nosty> Better yet McP.
<McP> bleah, I have to run hotjava
<Bovino> I like giving massages to select people ;)
<Nosty> Oh, I give massages as well.  I wish Nerd enjoyed them more.
<McP> Massages rock.
<Bovino> Summer has this lotion stuff...
<Bovino> Well, enough about that.
<Wood> Ding! You have 10 new massages.
<Wood> Hear old massages, press one. Hear new massages, press two.
<NeoN> Shitty! I have to go back down to the cs labs to set up an account
<McP> "Officer, I was not hiring a hooker, I was paying for a penis massage."
<Nosty> Make sure that isn't Lothy's gf.
<NeoN> heh
<Nosty> I'm sure he'll feel better today.
<McP> Somebody tell that girl to spit in her damn hand.
<Nosty> Usually it only hurts for a day or two.
<Wood> Or get some AstroGlide.
<Wood> (tm)
<Nosty> I recommended AstroGlide.
<Bovino> er
<Wood> We need to send her the "Care and Feeding of Your Pet Penis" pamphlet.
<Wood> 1. Do not rub until it bleeds.
<Nosty> Haahahaa.
<Wood> 2. Swallow.
<NeoN> heh
<Nosty> What is the swallowing thrill?
<Nosty> Does it really matter as long as she keeps her mouth there during ejaculation?
<Wood> Right, that's pretty much the point.
<Bovino> It's that need to feel yummy
<McP> Someone should make pills so that semen is, like, strawberry-flavored.
<McP> Or choclate-vanilla swirl.
<Nosty> If you want strawberry flavor, that is why they have lubricants that are flavored.
<Wood> Shit, I just sent out a message to HR and signed it "Steve Wodo"
<Ap> strawberry flavour?  there's some horse tranq that tastes like strawberries.  don't know if it's ketamine or not.
<Nosty> Ketamine is pretty much tasteless.
<NeoN> Man, fuck this! I'm going to have to like run down to the CS building and use their labs every time I want to turn in a program
<Bovino> HA HA
<NeoN> unless I can figure out some way of doing it using telnet
<Nosty> You can't use telnet?
<Bovino> Can't you e-mail them?
* Wood envisions McP injecting Nestle Quick into his testicles before a BJ.
<NeoN> I asked him, he looked all confused and shit
<Bovino> Some women like the taste.
<Bovino> But enough about semen, lets talk about vaginal secretions
<NeoN> I think this is his first year instructing, so he don't know shit
<Nosty> I think semen tastes okay.
<Bovino> Prolly a grad student
<NeoN> Nosty: I probably can use telnet, but I have to set up the account down there first
<McP> Neon: You can absolutely positively use ftp/telnet
<NeoN> excellent
<NeoN> I'm still not sure how he wants us to hand in our files..
<McP> Nosty: Does all semen taste the same?
<NeoN> Like if he just wants us to hand in the code or what?
<Bovino> I don't belive so
<Nosty> Pretty much.
<McP> Are you sure?
<McP> Here, taste mine.
<Nosty> It's not like I really keep it in my mouth long.
<NeoN> McP's probably tastes like bongwater
<Nosty> No way, I'd make you wear a condom.
<McP> You commie bastard!
<NeoN> right on, brotha
<Nosty> I wouldn't even let any guy touch me without using a glove.
<Wood> Do they make flavored condoms?
<Nosty> Yes they do Wood.
<McP> yep
<Wood> I mean, semen-flavored condoms?
<Nosty> Mint flavored.
<NeoN> I honestly don't know the objective of this assignment
<Wood> For women who like the taste of semen?
<Nosty> I've never seen semen flavored.
<Bovino> hehehe
<NeoN> Nerd uses a glove?
<Nosty> Mint, bubble gum and vanilla.
<Bovino> We're still on semen?
<Bovino> Yeesh.
<Nosty> Neon, not anymore.
<NeoN> He did though?
<Nosty> We don't practice safe sex any longer.
<Bovino> My girlfriend makes me wear a ziploc
<NeoN> wow.. I'm just thinking of how awkward that would be
<Bovino> It's cheaper than condoms and then she can keep the semen for later
<Bovino> Sometimes she brings it to school as a snack.
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<Nosty> Gloves, dental dams (saran wrap is better), condoms are needed.
<Bovino> Then she has to share it with her classmates to be fair of course, which sucks because there isn't that much.
<NeoN> so where do you put the saran wrap exactly?
<Nosty> On her vulva.
<Bovino> Up your ass, it's quite breathtaking
<NeoN> like just cover her entire vulva with saran wrap?
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<Bovino> See but then you don't get the warmth or the juices all ove ryour face.  What's fun about that?
<Bovino> Use the colored kind for special effects
<Nosty> Yes Neon.
<McP> That also helps protect the vulva from freezer burn.
<Wood> You can take the saran wrap off and wipe it on your face if you want warmth and juices.
<Bovino> "It's Christmas time in her pussy..."
<Bovino> Kinda like licking the sauce off of a burger wrapper?
<Wood> Or aluminum foil for an S & M thing.
<McP> bbl, leaving HQ
<Nosty> Dental dams are awkward.  They are thick and you can't see where to put your tongue.
<Nosty> Saran wrap is more fun.
<Nosty> Cheaper too.
<Wood> I can't even imagine what that must feel like for the woman.
<NeoN> heh..
<Wood> "And then this giant sheet of plastic starting poking at me"
<NeoN> "Ok, you can finally go down on me.." "Ok, just let me grab the saran wrao"
<Bovino> hehehe
<NeoN> er wrap
<Wood> "It was as if a giant plasticy tongue attacked me"
<Nosty> You can also wrap it around her breasts.
<Bovino> If we continue this up until SUmmer wake sup I'll probably nee dphone sex
<Nosty> Fun stuff.
<Bovino> My keyboar dis already sticky from the first two times
<Nosty> I've thought about going out wearing colored saran wrap as a top.
<Wood> "Look, I'm a frozen hot dog!"
<Wood> What a halloween costume.
<Nosty> You can save money on the latex gloves by getting the non-sterile.
<Bovino> Bacon wrapped hotdog
<Nosty> They are still clean and good for medical use.
<Bovino> This sounds painful
<Nosty> What Vaca?
<Bovino> All this latex
<Nosty> It isn't.
<Bovino> Latex pulls hairs
<Nosty> You can use the polyurethane.
<Bovino> segfault is a motherfucker
<Nosty> You put on astroglide on the glove.
<Wood> What is the point of this?
<Wood> Why not just get nekkid?
<Nosty> Safe sex Wood.
<Bovino> Atthis point in my relationship I'll forgo some of this safety for a little clam sauce.
<Bovino> Did I actually say that?
<NeoN> heh
<Bovino> Fuck.
<Nosty> I think with time you get to abandon some of the stuff.
<Bovino> Buck buck bo buck bannana fanna fo fuck
<Bovino> "lets do buck!"
<Bovino> UH UH UH C'mer BUCK!
<Bovino> UH UH UH
<Wood> Ah, the benifits of monogomy: the pill.
<Wood> The pill is badass.
<Wood> er, beneftis.
<Wood> crap!
<Wood> benefits
<Wood> There.
<Nosty> Which leaves more cleanup for the woman.
<Bovino> More cleanup?
<Wood> Small tradeoff.
<Bovino> oh
<Nosty> There are certainly positives for the condom and for the pill.
<Bovino> I'm paranoid
<NeoN> Shit, I think I'm going to have to go use the lab for CS302
<Wood> Kleenex is cheaper than condoms.
<Nosty> Vaca, glop.
<Nosty> I think the pill vs. the condom is really about the same price, unless you actually have an insurance plan that will cover the pill.
<NeoN> Fuck this! why did I register to take CS302?
<Nosty> Otherwise, they are around $25-30 a month, unless you go to planned parenthood which knocks it to $10.
<NeoN> I don't think programming is for me, but I'll try it
<NeoN> on another unrelated subject, I swear that I have a static ip
<Wood> Ah, but the pill is unlimited usage per month, and condoms are 1 per time.
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<Wood> If you have sex 300 times/month, the pill is much cheaper.
*** baba_yag1 is now known as baba_yaga
<Nosty> I don't have sex nearly that often.
<Wood> Me either. But I can hope.
<NeoN> I should drop CS302 and take it second semester
<Nosty> The best thing about not having to do safe sex:  No longer accidential nonoxynol-9 in the mouth.
<Nosty> Nonoxynol-9 makes robitussin taste like chocolate cake.
<Wood> Isn't it safe sex if she's on the pill and there are no diseases around?
<Bovino> Did you know that studies show that there is no statistical differenc ebetween using a non-spermicidal condom and a spermicidal one?
<Nosty> Correct Vaca.
<Bovino> Which makes sense.  
<Nosty> Mainly because of user error.
<Bovino> Consider how few pregancies occur with condoms as is...if that condom breaks and the guy ejaculates with it brokne, the tiy residue of spermicide isn't going to do much.
<Nosty> Safe sex usually applies to the use of latex or polyurethane :)
<Bovino> Or wood
<Nosty> Well, Nerd and I don't use anything anymore.
<Wood> Have you ever woken up to someone having sex with you?
<Wood> AKA "sleep-fucking"?
<Nosty> Yes.
<Bovino> er
<Wood> Ah-ha!
<Wood> So I'm not a freak!
<NeoN> heh
<Nosty> Have you ever been screwed and never knew about it?  Yes.
<Wood> Um, that was someone you knew, right?
<Nosty> Yeah Wood.
<Nosty> I haven't been raped.
<Wood> Like, I was sleeping, and I kind of rolled on top of her, and then I woke up and I was like- hey!
<Wood> I'm having sex!
<Wood> Then I finished and went back to sleep again.
<Wood> I felt a little guilty.
<Nosty> I was kinda out of it, but Nerd told me details later.
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> Was she sleeping or were you?
<NeoN> well, I mean, who initiated it?
<NeoN> wodo
<Wood> We were both sleeping.
<Nosty> I also tried to wake up Nerd with my genitals hovering above his face.  For a while, he thought it was the dog.
<Wood> Heh.
<NeoN> She never even knew about it?
<Wood> She kind of looked at me funny the next morning.
<Wood> But she mostly slept through it.
<NeoN> heh
<Wood> Now, she kind of rolls over when I try to stick my dick in her.
<Nosty> I've punched.
<Wood> And makes that "I'm sleeping, don't bother me" noise that goes "Mrrroweyeyyyoh"
<Wood> Hmmm..
<NeoN> heh
<Wood> Here's another one:
<Bovino> er
<Wood> Have you ever vomited on someone else's crotch?
<Nosty> Wood, realize I've had my hussy ways.
<Nosty> That I have not done Wood, but I know the story.
<Nosty> Spaghetti strands.
<Wood> And wine.
<Nosty> I had a drunk ex vomit beer and wings on me.
<NeoN> what's this?
<Nosty> Not on my crotch.
<Bovino> sick sick
<Wood> And semen.
<Nosty> But I was in bed if that counts.
<Nosty> And Glop!
<Bovino> I'v never experienced glop
<Wood> Being thrown up on at all is an experence.
<Nosty> I was pissed off.
<Nosty> So pissed.  You can't imagine.
<NeoN> I can imagine so.  I mean, vomit is soo smelly and disgusting
<Nosty> Oh, what pissed me off is he got my comforter.  My down comforter.
<Bovino> But it's slcik
<Wood> And it sticks in your pubic hair.
<Bovino> It's good lube
<Nosty> I spent like 7 hours cleaning that sucker.
<Bovino> Especially the creasy chicken skin bits
<Nosty> I had to strip off all the bedding in the middle of the fucking night.
<Nosty> I stripped him nekkid and put him in tub to spend the night.
<Bovino> So YOU'RE the one who did that!  You KNOW how I hate cold porcelin!
<Nosty> Then around 6 am.  "I'm sorry" comes wailing from the bathroom.
<Bovino> Well, i was
<Nosty> Oh, he was pissed when I turned the water on him.
<Bovino> In 2-6 days my CD arrives
<Bovino> yay
<Wood> That's bad.
<Wood> Especially when they're drunk.
<Wood> My friend Tim passed out naked in our bathtub.
<Wood> Then woke up and demanded the car keys.
<Bovino> I've never been drunk for these very reasons ;)
<Wood> He had to go to a picnic with his gf.
<Nosty> I've never been that bad.
<Wood> She was a tad angry.
<Nosty> Never ever.
<Nosty> I like men with stubble.
<Nosty> That is about as harmful as I get.
<Bovino> Me too, Nick floats my boat baby
<Wood> Yeah, I like drinking, but every now and then there's this bad bad experience.
<NeoN> Getting that drunk requires you to consume a whole hell of a lot of alcohol
<Bovino> Hmm
<Bovino> Matt stole my big speakers
<Nosty> The dog loves me drunk.
<Nosty> Probably because I talk funny to her.
<NeoN> The dog probably is laughing inside because it knows yer just tanked
<NeoN> It's probably amusing as hell
<Nosty> Last time I was drunk was with Unya/Sno/Troll.
<Nosty> I was told later that I was too sexual.
<Bovino> http://graphics.theonion.com/pics3405/snapshot3405.gif
<NeoN> http://www.kellys.com/cgi-bin/guessbeer.pl
<Wood> I ate out some pussy that was hovering over my face once.
<Wood> And the next morning, it turned out I was making out with the dog.
<Bovino> I think the most fun I ever had doing that was watering my neighbor's plants
<NeoN> I'm disliking college already.  I can see why people just go out and get smashed on the weekends
<Bovino> She was faced outwards watching for oncomers while I snaked my head up her dress :)
<Troll> haha
* Troll has returned to his console. Agent:
<Wood> I got busy on a house that said "For Sale" out in front.
<Wood> So we went to the back porch and laid out a sleeping bag.
<NeoN> Man, I'm glad I only have one fusking class tomorrow
<Bovino> Ugh
<Bovino> I hte school
<Bovino> I just want to get it over with
<Bovino> I have one int eh afternoon and one at night
<Bovino> Thn two tomorrow, but one's cancelled, so Ionly have one
<Troll> tyler! thanks for the juarez d00d3
<Bovino> No prob!
<Bovino> Do you have sit3z?
<Troll> no, but I can burn warez at work
<Bovino> 127.0.0.1 port 21, u: WAREZ P: WAREZ4U
<Troll> nice man!
<Troll> hey! he has everythng I do!
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*** Signoff: Vaca (What's a script?)
<McP> heh, some lame ass still has Wood's nick
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<Bovino> ugh
<Bovino> This is FUNNY
<Bovino> http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/soldiersofchaos/AllianceApp.html
<Bovino> Hit cancel...it rocks
<Bovino> Still let syou in
<Wood> Lewser.
* Wood msgs Wood
<Bovino> _03-Sep:08:44_ -> *wood* HOW ARE YOU?
<McP> !sbeef Wood
<McP> The stats server is always fusked.
<McP> (rc5 stats, that is)
<Bovino> wertgefgd
<NeoN> Well, fusk, time for Math 114
<Wood> What we need is realtime stats
<McP> Yep.
<McP> I wan't to watch my cursing stats rise in real time every time I say "ass".
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<Wood> With graphs.
<Wood> I think "stat" is probably the most used curse.
<Wood> "Where are the fucking stats"
<Wood> McP you missed the crotch vomit discussion.
<McP> I think I've heard about it.
<Wood> Nosty had a vomit story.
<Bovino> motherboard manufacturers must die
<Wood> McP do you have a little stock-ticker app?
<Bovino> violently
<McP> no
<Wood> Or do you just use the web
<McP> just the web
<Bovino> They need intense pain
<Wood> I think I'll set up a cron job to page me with the stock price every 5 minutes.
<McP> brb, core dump required
<Kritter> every 5 is dumb.
<McP> !stock INSS
<McP> <Spht> -2 5/8
<Ap> should do !sstock
<Ap> !sstock wodo MSFT
<McP> Why?
<Wood> Hmmmmm
<Ap> why not?
<Wood> Go to www.nasdaq.com
<Wood> it doesn't look like the stock price is delayed 15 minutes
<Wood> the timestamp on the page says the current time, instead of being behind like it normally is.
<Wood> Or I could be smoking crack.
<Wood> I am using lynx for a change.
<McP> Why does a nick have to be one of the args?
<Wood> play
<Wood> gggg
<Wood> !bonghit McP
<Spht> 5
<Spht> 4
<Spht> 3
<Spht> 2
<Spht> 1
<Spht> inhale... exhale...
<McP> hmm
<McP> !binghit
<McP> !bonghit
<Spht> 5
<Spht> 4
<Spht> 3
<Spht> 2
<Spht> 1
<Spht> inhale... exhale...
<McP> hmm
<Wood> !bunghit
<Wood> Squeaky needs a "Most Bonghits taken" stat
<Wood> Or ANY STATS AT ALL!!!
<McP> !bonghit
<Spht> 5
<Spht> 4
<Spht> 3
<Spht> 2
<Spht> 1
<Spht> Smoxor!
<McP> ahh
<Wood> Smoxor?
*** Wewd is now known as Woooooooo
<McP> haxor speak
*** Woooooooo is now known as Woooooood
<Wood> There
<McP> The morning receptionist was complaining that she has to take a really hard CS class on DOS programming.  She pronounced DOS as if it were Spanish.
<McP> I chuckled knowingly.
<Wood> At Sun?
<Wood> Ooh, she's gonna get fired.
<Wood> I've heard "Linux" pronounced so many different ways, I've decided to pronounce it with a silent 'n'.
<McP> There's a ton of Linux mags in the HQ lobby.
<Wood> Mispronouncing computer parts is one of my favorite hobbies.
<Wood> Err, catching people doing it, that is.
<Wood> Like when someone is trying to feign knowledge, and they say "roam" for ROM
<McP> Or "weeb" for web
<Kritter> you mudders seen this? http://cs.uchicago.edu/~laheadle/lyntin.html
<McP> MUDs suck.
* McP says it, "meuds."
<Wood> I've been asked to coin an acronym for this database.
<Wood> I suggested Process Organization Tool.
<Wood> I think he's going for it.
<Wood> Must... keep... straight... face...
<Kritter> You use it with A Bidirectional Open Network Graft?
<Wood> Okay, no permanent name, but for now I'm in charge of the POT
<McP> Stop saying bong, or god help me, I'll go home.
<Wood> I say it with a long O
<Wood> Bone-g
* McP craves some egg noog
<Wood> "The reefer addict's pants are stained with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim"
<McP> fuckin' sockets
<McP> Dude, its sad when someone can sum up my whole life in one sentence like that.
<Wood> Heh.
<Wood> I smell an info line.
<McP> Uh, that's your nappy crotch.
*** McP is now known as CrotchRot
<McP> Now that's a nick.
<Wood> Shit, there's still some crusty fonk from last week in there.
*** CrotchRot is now known as McP
<Wood> And some spaghetti.
<Balin> hmm
<Balin> now th ati am cured of depression tool doesn't rock nearly asa much
<Balin> maybe i can visit again one day.
<Balin> all i have left are memories
<Balin> but you can't place a prive on them
<Balin> eh
<Balin> mmm sleep
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
<Balin> remid me to change that away msgs
<McP> Wood: When is the Beer-B-Q?
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<Wood> Mail is on the way.
<Wood> Tool never rocked.
<Wood> It's the 12th.
<Wood> Saturday.
<Wood> The new apartment is phat.
<Wood> It has hot and cold running sex.
<Wood> Mike and Becky.
<McP> Why would this socket not receive data until I close(fd) on the other end?
<Wood> Hmmmmmmmm.
<Wood> I dunno.
<Wood> Baud?
* McP thwaps Wood.
<McP> Ok, you stay on your network tier, I'll stay on mine.
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<Spht> _TrollWork_ A warez pirate is always online.
* Troll is listening to beastie boys at work
* Troll is such a bad ass
<Wood> I only mess with the first four layers of the OSI model.
<Wood> All that Application stuff is for wussies.
<McP> Just don't step onto my tier, understood?
<Wood> Actually I'm doing business process design.
<Wood> I'm way way way over you.
<Wood> I'm doing management stuff. And I'm in charge of the POT.
<McP> gimmesumodat
<Wood> It IS baud, isn't it!
<McP> What are you talking about?
<Wood> Nevermind.
<Wood> My apartment is right around the corner from a restaurant named V. Majestic
<Wood> It reminds me of modem languages.
<Wood> Plus, I am within walking distance of about 20 bars.
<Wood> It's a drunk's paradise.
<Wood> Mmmm V. Majestic.
<Wood> Vietnamese food.
<Wood> God damnit I want some fusking stats!
<Wood> bbiam lunch
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<Mr_Cooger> Sodomizing Cell Mate: "Squeal like a pig for me boy!"
<Mr_Cooger> billy boy: "wheee wheee wheeee"
<Mr_Cooger> Sodomizing Cell Mate: "Louda!"
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<sno> Cooger, have you ever seen Deliverance?
<Mr_Cooger> Nope. But I know about it. 
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<Wood> I was an extra.
<Troll> sno, sup?
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<Wood> Ah ha.
<Wood> Coog is reading Slashdot.
<Wood> And quoting it.
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<sno> Hey Troll.
<sno> How's work?
<Wood> Hey sno
<Wood> I need QuickCam help.
<McP> You need nick help.
<Wood> Did you get the QuickCam fun CD?
<Wood> There was an app that displayed the QuickCam image in a tiny window
<Wood> I am going to use the QuickCam to put an on-screen "Reaction Cam" to our GameDay 98 sessions
<Tartarus> Wood just needs help
<Wood> And then run it to the TV
<McP> Tart: Go to school.
<Wood> Also, my audio isn't working too well.
<Wood> When I watch the card guys.
<Tartarus> McP, go work more.
<McP> I wish DW would just do it solo.
<McP> They had a $2000 Jumbo Podium-Buster Beanie Baby Special last night.
<Wood> I saw that one.
<Wood> The biggest one ever
<Wood> 63 Beanies!
<Wood> That's less than 20 dollars a beanie, folks!
<Wood> Try finding Shakes for less than 20 dollars! Yeah, right!
<Wood> Princess for 20 dollars! Yeah, right!
<Wood> Erin for under 20 dollars! Yeah, right!
<Wood> That one?
<McP> yup
<McP> 28 of them were retired
<Wood> I like the part where he did math by removing beanies that were in separate deals.
<Wood> Added up the value of the separate deals, and then declared that you got the extra 42 beanies for "free"
<Kritter> landfill.
<Wood> Just because there other deals are WAY overpriced, that makes this one a bargain.
<Wood> Who's got a QuickCam?
<Wood> Who's got em?
<Wood> Who's on line?
<Wood> Who's on line?
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<McP> He also claimed at one point that 2 callers just bought 10 sets each.
<Mr_Cooger> Where were you, Seybold? 
<Mr_Cooger> I did not know what a shameless sales pitch was til Seybold. 
<Mr_Cooger> "Oh my God! Look at this! You should buy this! Who's not gonna buy this?! Raise your hand! Who isn't gonna buy it?! Look at this! Oh my God, honey, we should buy this!" 
<Wood> I used to go to MacWorld and chew out shitty vendors in front of the expo-goers.
<Wood> "Where is this update? You bastards. I recognize your voice! Get back here!"
<Wood> They were selling products, though, Coog, not baseball cards.
<Wood> You need to watch shop at home. 
<Tartarus> Wood is not only the Ass Master, but a professional ass as well.
<Wood> Go grow some hair, tart.
<Tartarus> I am.
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<Wood> I heard back from Squeaky
<Wood> He says:
<Wood> Damn, that Squeaky is such a slacker.
<Wood> .
<Wood> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
<Wood> Simon Brownlee (Simon.Brownlee@pobox.com)             http://www.marathon.org
<Wood> marathon@marathon.org                                  ftp://www.marathon.org
<Mr_Cooger> Whoa, his last name. 
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<McP> Wood: I didn't get Squeaky's response.
<McP> That bitch didn't reply to all.
<Wood> Sorry
<Kritter> his address blows.
<Wood> His mail got bounced back.
<Wood> So I resent and didn't cc: again.
<McP> Ah, so you're the bitch.
<McP> Again.
<Wood> Get in line.
<Mr_Cooger> http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~yaz/common/disp.cgi?gallery/Squirrels1997q1/sp97_010.jpg
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<Wood> jk!
<Wood> I...
<Wood> want...
<Wood> STATS
<Tartarus> You win the most o's in a nick stat.
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<sno> No, I do.
<sno> And now all the rest of yu can do is tie with me.
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<sno> Wood is a four letter word.
<Wood> Garg!
<Tartarus> Wood is a crackwhore too.
<Wood> Who's got a quickcam?
<Wood> And the QuickCam CD?
<Wood> There's this shareware movie player I need.
<Kritter> Pete's player?
<Wood> Uh, maybe.
<Wood> It was very minimal.
<Wood> It displayed the video but took up little screen realestate.
<Wood> No play button, no stop button. Just a title bar and the video from the QC
<Troll> cwow
<Troll> does nick's monitor have some serious moire (sp) effect going on
<Troll> lucnh timeeeeeeeeee
<Tartarus> Trolls a workin' woman ain't he now..
<McP> I have a QuickCam
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<Wood> Do you have the CD?
<Unya> Sno, you know where Adam went/
<sno> Nope.
<McP> Hell naw.
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* McP stares at ap.
<Ap> what?
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* McP munches on lunchy lunch.
<Tartarus> hey ap
<Tartarus> my psych class isnt too bad so far
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<McP> Psych was interesting to an extent.
<Ap> tart - cool.
<McP> I'd go nuts if it were my major, though.
<Ap> isn't that the point?  =)
<Ap> oh, wait.
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<McP> No, you want other people to be nuts.
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<Wood> I really wish I could smell my nuts.
<Wood> I get this urge in the middle of meetings.
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<McP> Wood: I met a guy named Dick Sack.
<Wood> If only I were flexible enough to bend myself over and.... sniiiif
<Wood> Wait, am I saying this out loud?
<Wood> Really?
<McP> yep
<Wood> His name was Richard and he still went by the name "dick"
<Wood> Get his autograph!
<Troll> mmm ... Carls Jr. ....
<McP> I was impressed with my ability to keep my composure.
<Wood> "Here's Dick Sack"
<Wood> "Where?"
<Troll> hahaa
<McP> Actually, it was autographs that I was talking to him about.
<Troll> McP, send me a 450 case
<Troll> I'll pay you, and stuff
<McP> Answer not clear, try again
<Troll> I wonder if they seell just cases ...
<Troll> prolly not
<McP> Highly doubtful.
<McP> Highly highly doubtful.
<Troll> damn
<Wood> Did you shake hands with Dick Sack?
<McP> I did.
<McP> I also handled his ball.
<Troll> did you wash your hands after?
<McP> No, and I never will.
<Troll> heh
<McP> He had a baseball autographed by some Giants team from the 50s.
<Tartarus> Troll, you try WM 0.19.0 yet?
<Troll> oh .. boy
<Troll> no, nick has it
<Wood> "McP gets hands on Disk Sack at work"
<Troll> cool config thing
<Wood> eg, Dick Sack
<Troll> saw it briefly
<Wood> Handling Dick Sack was a cunning stunt.
<Troll> foul
<McP> I didn't handle him.  Just his ball.
<Troll> you skank
<McP> Easy skankin'.
<Troll> skank me a case
<Troll> shag someone in production and send me one, I'll give you a cookie
<Wood> McP we need to email this link to Don West:
<Wood> http://www.westword.com/extra/glory/
<Troll> back to werk I go
<McP> http://www.sfgiants.com/PACBELL_PARK/LIVECAM/livecam.html
<McP> Watch a stadium being built!
<Wood> www.bigdig.com
<Wood> Watch the entire city get dug up and rebuilt.
<Wood> The road I commute on is being destroyed by cranes right now.
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<McP> But do they have a cam?
<Wood> They have photos
<McP> Hmph.
<Tartarus> Well god damn that's annoying
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<Wood> Oooh, traffic cams!
<McP> Ugh, there's a Beatles tribute album coming out...
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<McP> Songs sung by Robin Williams?  Jim Carrey?  Goldie Fucking Hawn!?  Arg!
<jkowall> gross
<McP> Yeah, gross!
<Wood> jk can you warez the Mac QuickCam CD?
<jkowall> haha
<Wood> Mine is incognito.
<jkowall> wewd : ummm...
<Wood> McP tell him about Mr. Sack
<jkowall> I don't do mac warez at all
<jkowall> i haven't for a long time.
<McP> jk: I met a guy named Dick Sack.
<McP> He let me hold his ball.
<jkowall> hah
<McP> I rolled it in my hand, checking out its fine details.
<Wood> Did you sniff it?
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<jkowall> this hard drive on my fileserver is dieing!
<McP> Hell naw.
<jkowall> suxors, no more mp3 volume
<McP> Wood: Have you seen that cartoon The Angry Beavers?
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<SphtKr> whoops
<McP> That's the show with Nick Bakay on it.  He's the voice of Beaver Brother Norbert.
<Wood> No, when is it on?
<Wood> Wait a minute, I don't have a TV
<McP> The show was created by a guy that used to fax in drawings to Night After Night.
<McP> I think it was on a Saturday night on Nickelodeon.
<McP> It was pretty stoney, too.
<Wood> Cool, I'll have to check it out.
<McP> Get a TV first.
<Wood> Nah, I'll just run it to my Mac.
<SphtKr> Hmm
<Wood> Like I'm doing with the VCR and the PlayStation.
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<McP> 7:30PM on Saturday
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<danimal> Hey guys -- I'm stuck on Schmackle in Evil.  Anyone wanna help?
* danimal waits expectantly, holding his breath with anticipation.
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* danimal sighs.
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<Wood> What was that?
<Wood> Evil?
<McP> http://www.nickelodeon.com/common/downloads/sounds/ang/mrman.wav
<Kritter> yet !o Marathon Evil.
<Wood> Marathon?
<Wood> If he wants to ask marathon questions, he should get his ass to #marathon, not here.
<McP> His mistake was asking if anyone wanted to help him.
<Wood> Wait a minute.
<Wood> We should have kicked him.
<Wood> We're getting slow in our old age.
<Wood> !sbeef Wood
<Wood> bbl
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<NeoN> Ok, I need some help here..
<NeoN> what's the best Java Compiler for mac, if there is one?
<Mr_Cooger> Have you checked www.javasoft.com? 
<NeoN> .
<NeoN> thanks
<NeoN> Well, there is no JDK for Mac
<Mr_Cooger> Then try Metrowerks I guess. 
<Tartarus> run linux :)
<Mr_Cooger> I coulda sworn there was a JDK for the Mac, though. 
<NeoN> I thought so too
<NeoN> does McBitch know?
<NeoN> College is way so much easier when you don't put shit off
<NeoN> I'm glad I typed up that essay yesterday because it would suck to have to do it tonight
<NeoN> Anyone have IDE 2.0?  I need the classes.zip file
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* Brymen vomits
<Nosty> Drunk again Bry?
<Mr_Cooger> Bry is a hobo. 
<Brymen> im a something alright.
<Nosty> Hey Bry, did you know that Tris is looking at coming out sometime soon?
<Brymen> i certainly did.
<Brymen> Not.
<Brymen> but now i know
<Brymen> so cool
<Mr_Cooger> Tris will require bodyguards. 
<Nosty> I can be Tris' bodyguard.
<Brymen> Yeah sno is goi ng to beat his ass
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<Nosty> I trust Sno.
<Al1i> hey guys
<Brymen> hey
<Nosty> If I thought that Sno would really hurt Tris, then I wouldn't let Sno near him.
<Mr_Cooger> What are you, Tris's mother? 
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<Mr_Cooger> Damn this mod is so fucking cool. 
<Nosty> No, but there isn't a reason to hurt Tris violently
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, but jeez, it'd be funny. 
<Nosty> I like Tris.  He's such a neat kid.
<Mr_Cooger> Is he gay? 
<Nosty> WHy would you ask Cooger?
<Mr_Cooger> I don't know. He's very feminine. 
<Nosty> It doesn't mean he's gay.
<Mr_Cooger> And I saw him taking it up the ass while giving two guys blow jobs. 
<Nosty> Then perhaps he is Cooger.
<Mr_Cooger> I don't care if he's gay. I was just wondering. 
<Nosty> I don't ask my friends if they are gay.
<Mr_Cooger> You come on to them and figure it out from that? 
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<Nosty> I tend to mess around with everybody.
<Nosty> I'm really not interested in their sex lives.  If they share that, fine.
<Nosty> Plus I find that past performance is not always indicative of the future.
<Mr_Cooger> You just grab their crotchse. 
<Nosty> Yep, we LA women lead our men around the the scrotum.
<Mr_Cooger> So I noticed. 
<Nosty> Only a few pages left and I'm done with my section of this book.
<Mr_Cooger> What book? 
<Nosty> A collection of essays from a favorite author of mine.  All different.
<Nosty> This one is about cities.
<Nosty> Another essay in the book is about clothing, etc.
<sno> Tris and I have talked. There is no longer a need for me to beat him.
<Mr_Cooger> Huh huh. He said beat. 
<Nosty> Glad to hear that Sno.
<Nosty> You may still pin him down if you wish.
<Nosty> I tend to whack him on the head.
<sno> Boy am I glad that I didn't install ssh2 and all it's trappings.
<sno> The makers of GMP are filing a lawsuit against SSH Communications for, well, plagery, and patches and problem with various parts of it are already pouring in.
<sno> Bugs in it are kind of to be expected, which is one reason I didn't install it, but the law suit is really amusing.
<sno> I saw the code in question too, and there is just no question about it being ripped from GMP.
<sno> A bunch of guys who work in Universities posted the exact thing that was going through my mind. That even when you give students an assignment and tell them what the solution is and how to get there, they still turn out radically different code. And since I was a grader for a year, I know exactly what they're talking about. It was painfully obvious when people had copied code.
<sno> Of course, in one instance, it didn't help the student's case when he turned in both this copied code, as well as the code of the guy he copied it from. But I discovered that after the fact. I'd already been looking at the two and going, "Hm, these look way too much alike." Even having looked at a hundred or so assignments between the two of them.
<sno> Anyway, the law suit against SSH Communications kicks ass because it really seems like they were moving towards a completely commercial product. 
<sno> And if it's proven that they used the GMP stuff, then it has to be distributed under the GNU license that GMP was distributed under. Of course, they can just take it out, rewrite it and make it really obvious that it isn't GMP and distribute it commercially the next time.
<sno> But it's still really gratifying to see this particular stick shoved up their backside.
<Mr_Cooger> Cool, MRJ pre-lrelease. 
<sno> MRJ?
<Mr_Cooger> MacOS Runtime for Java. 
<Mr_Cooger> Makes Java kick-ass on Macs. 
* Mr_Cooger can't wait to see Godog and Forward on Macs. 
<sno> It's amazing to me how you've gone from hating Java and Macs to loving Java and Macs.
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<Mr_Cooger> It's amazing to me how far they've gone from sucking to rocking. 
<sno> Well, I think it's just indicative of you needing to give a little more thought to where something could go. 
<Mr_Cooger> I have no loyalties, if things rock, I like them. If they suck, I don't. 
<sno> In this industry that's hardly a reprehensible policy.
<Mr_Cooger> When I hated Macs and Java, Java barely had a JIT compiler, I was using JDK1.0 and MacOS was suxoring shit through a tube. 
<Mr_Cooger> Now MacOS has a promising futur ein OSX, Java rocks ass API-wise and speed-wise. They're much cooler. 
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<sno> Did they ever get around to doing those Java recompilers? The ones that would compile the byte-code into platform specific, but much faster, code?
<Mr_Cooger> And having an eye towards where things "could" go doesn't get me anything. I was still miserable using early Java and older versions of MacOS. 
<Mr_Cooger> I've heard of them, but they're not too widely used, in my understanding. 
<sno> True, but it would allow you to bet on new technologies and cash in on them at a later dead.
<Mr_Cooger> At least for x86.There are also Java-to-C compilers. 
<sno> er, date.
<sno> Where did dead come frome?
<Mr_Cooger> Fruedian Slip. 
<Mr_Cooger> When a new technology comes out, there's no way of knowing. 
<Mr_Cooger> Look at that "push" bullshit that was happening a few years ago. That went nowhere. 
<sno> Probably the same place the E on the end of from came from.
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<Mr_Cooger> Look at BeOS. That went nowhere. 
<Mr_Cooger> So there's really no way of konwing if something will be good and viable until it is good and viable. 
<sno> Yes, but that was quite universally hated. The few people who liked it were people who liked shoving garbage down the throats of the consumer. And believe it or not, the consumer still has some voice.
<sno> It's a gamble, to be sure, but open yourself to the possibilities. I for one still sincerely believe that Be can and will go somewhere.
<Mr_Cooger> Be isn't going anywhere. 
<Mr_Cooger> They sold 10,000 copies of R3. Whoopie. 
<sno> They have the most advanced operating system on this planet. True, it's about their only asset but it's a big one.
<sno> I think there are high-end media markets that exist kind of out of the spotlight where you'll start seeing the BeOS being used.
<Mr_Cooger> I am a huge supporter of BeOS. I've never even SEEN BeOS. Can you believe that? I can't find a computer that'll run it. 
<sno> heh
<Mr_Cooger> But I just don't think it's happening. 
<sno> I've only seen it. Never touched it.
* sno wonders where his Be t-shirt is.
<Tartarus> I played w/ it on SSs 9500, it was fun.
* sno returns to his odd compile error.
<Nosty> Hey tart.  Where were you this morning to tell me I suck?
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<Tartarus> School.
<Mr_Cooger> OSX at least has a future. It has existing customer base, existing developer base, tractor technologies, and tractor apps. 
<Nosty> I see.
<Mr_Cooger> Be has nothing. No customer base, slight developer base, no technologies other than the OS itself, and definitely no tractor apps. 
<Tartarus> Want me to drop in, 3amish out there and tell you that you suck?
<Unya> Where on Sun's site can one get the Solaris CD free?
<Mr_Cooger> Search Slashdot.org for the news item, Unya. 
<Tartarus> sec, i think i got it bookmarked
<Tartarus> http://www.sun.com/edu/solaris/
<Nosty> Gonna put solaris on a home machine?
<Mr_Cooger> No, he needs a coaster. 
<Unya> I'm interested in it.
* Mr_Cooger uses an AOL disk as a coaster. 
<Unya> I have lots of old StarNet CDs for that.
<sno> Tractor apps being what, Coog?
<Tartarus> $20 coasters suck
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<Mr_Cooger> Apple has Adobe and Quark. 
<sno> This compile error makes no sense....
<sno> Oh, you mean Cash Cows.
<Tartarus> what is it sno
<Mr_Cooger> Well, "killer apps". 
<Unya> Applications that make a platform indespensable.
<Maxinquay> Mr_COoger and iMac has the dinosaur game
<Nosty> I wish someone would make a bookcovering material that was similar in strength to paper bags and as beautiful as wrapping paper.
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<Tartarus> sno, the error?
<Mr_Cooger> Be has really chosen to make things hard for themselves. 
<Tartarus> not like they had too muhc of a chouse
<Tartarus> windows compat would be a bitch :)
<Mr_Cooger> Well, I'm talking about things like wasting time on the BeBoxes. 
<sno> It's an error stemming from this bit of code refusing to acknowledge pthread_t as a data type.
<Tartarus> heh
<Mr_Cooger> And not fighting for their OS to work on Macs tooth and nail. 
<Tartarus> beboxes were cool
<Maxinquay> that monster G3 is pretty cool though
<sno> God forbid it should actually say that and god forbid it should offer and hint as to why.
<Maxinquay> but the iMac sucks
<Tartarus> whats the exact erro, sno.
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<Tartarus> error too
<Mr_Cooger> And since they have venture capitalists and stuff, it's real hard for them to try to release the OS as open-source and adopt a RedHat model. 
<Tartarus> they wont go open source
<Mr_Cooger> Which would be really hard, because 50 people fighting to make an OS and simultaneously provide it with things like a web browser and drivers is really a shitty thing. 
<sno> I think this file is just missing some include that the others are inheritting.
<Mr_Cooger> I know they won't go open source. 
<Tartarus> thats just the wackos that want that
<Mr_Cooger> It would be smart of them to go open source. 
<Maxinquay> next will be the "iMac plus", the "iMac SE", "iMac II", then the "iMac IIsi"...
<Maxinquay> I'm scared
<sno> That was it.
<Tartarus> it't get that lots of publicity and such, and prolly some people workin on drivers and what not
<Tartarus> but not help 'em too much
<Mr_Cooger> Fighting for every single last $49.95 from everyone might generate more revenue in the short term, but it's real hard to conveince people to risk messing around with their bootsectors and partitions and shit.
<Mr_Cooger> Open sourcing the OS would get them much more support much more quickly. Plus, it makes it real hard to fight. 
<Tartarus> yeah, it should be free, or s&h+cd like solaris till 1.0
<Mr_Cooger> The cost is not the reason to open source it. 
<sno> But it also generates no revenue for them. And that is what they're in it for. How would they make money if they did that?
<Mr_Cooger> The reason is the support. To advance the OS faster. 
<Mr_Cooger> RedHAt. 
<sno> On support?
<Tartarus> yes, but will you pay 50 and risk your drive just for a dev OS?
<Mr_Cooger> No. 
<Maxinquay> the OS isn't the problem
<sno> How much does RedHat actually make? I wonder what each RedHat developer brings in each year.
<Maxinquay> software is the problem
<Mr_Cooger> RedHat will probably be around a lot longer than Be. 
<Tartarus> i dont think anyone at redhat is fulltime, redhat only
<Tartarus> maybe support, and a few others
<Mr_Cooger> Caldera and Debian seem to be holding their own as well. 
<Tartarus> but i suspect everyone else has other shit, atleast freelance
<Mr_Cooger> If JLG wants to be a millionaire, he sure as fuck chose the wrong way to do it. 
<Nosty> That is because Caldera is so beautiful.
<Tartarus> debian is lots of lame politics :)
<sno> I also thing that they're charging a very reasonable amount for their OS. Unlike some other OS manufacturer.
<Mr_Cooger> They have no choice. 
<Tartarus> be or redhat?
<sno> Microsoft charges a fortune for their products. It could never be justified except that too many people are too stupid to buy anything else.
<Tartarus> SuSE is $50
<Tartarus> Be is too. :)
<Mr_Cooger> BeOS and RedHat are the same price. 
<sno> You can also get RedHat for free.
<Maxinquay> O SEX
<Maxinquay> AKA OSX
<Mr_Cooger> Be, if it continues the way it is, is going no where. 
<Tartarus> what is beos?
<Tartarus> $$ wiuse
<Mr_Cooger> Open sourcing is risky, but it stands to gain them a much faster moving OS and more users. 
<sno> Well, they just might suprise you.
<sno> Write an article to Slashdot on why Be should go the way of Netscape.
<Maxinquay> what about BEOSX?
<Mr_Cooger> Someone already has. 
<Tartarus> coog, how much $$ is beos?
<Mr_Cooger> $49. 
<Mr_Cooger> How far is Be gonna get trying to sell the same $49 operating system to people? Not very. 
<sno> Even with Netscape though, it's a miracle to me that they're afloat. I guess it just goes to show that you can do things in such a way that the intelligent people get it all for free, and the morons pay for it.
<Mr_Cooger> It's like my company. They're not gonna get anywhere, because they saell their file format for $300. 
<sno> Who do you work for?
<Mr_Cooger> If everyone used STNG, then they'd have no problem selling their product, because they provide great tools for it. 
<Mr_Cooger> But this way, it's guaranteed to only be a niche, and they're gonna have to fight for people to buy it. 
<Mr_Cooger> www.altamira-group.com
<sno> More importantly, if your company gave the source to their file format away for free, who would pay you?
<Mr_Cooger> I'm not saying they should sell the source to their file format. They can't. 
<Mr_Cooger> It's licensed from another company and patented. 
<Mr_Cooger> Chastity belt. 
<Mr_Cooger> But the only way to use it is by paying them $300. 
<sno> But give away the end result?
<sno> The question stands: Where would you make your money then?
<Mr_Cooger> I'm not saying they should just drop everything and give away all their software. No company should do that. 
<Mr_Cooger> But they provide no way for STNG to become a widely used format. That's just not gonna get them very far. They'll stay afloat, but they won't get much farther. 
<sno> Charge less then? What?
<Mr_Cooger> No, provide ways to use STNG in say, web browsers, or free STNG viewers, so you can send files to a friend that doesn't have their prodct. 
<sno> So in other words, in order to get anywhere, you can't make any money off of what you're doing?
<Mr_Cooger> Don't be an idiot. 
<sno> Well, I'm struggling to understand where you're going with this.
<Mr_Cooger> That's not what I've been saying at all. 
<Mr_Cooger> JPG is a widely used format because there are no problems and anyone can view and use JPGs easily. 
<Mr_Cooger> STNG is a fileformat Altamira has licensed, and found a way to use it in the pre-press and printing industry. 
<sno> The JPG format is also free, isn't it?
<Mr_Cooger> GIF isn't free. 
<Mr_Cooger> It's owned by a company. 
<Mr_Cooger> People still use them. 
<sno> It's owed by CompuServe isn't it?
<sno> But there are implimentations of GIF viewers that I'm sure don't pay to use the file format.
<Mr_Cooger> I don't think that every company should go open source. I don't think Altamira group should. 
<sno> Like GIFConverter, or GraphicConverter.
<Mr_Cooger> But writing an OS is such a huge undertaking that you want more support than a company of 50 engineers and some venture capitalists. 
<Mr_Cooger> Similarly, introducing a new file format is so hard to get it to gain acceptance, that you want to make it as easy as possible for people to at least get some use out of your file format. 
<Mr_Cooger> Look at Microsoft. It doesn't matter what Windows is. They sell Office. 
<Mr_Cooger> If Be went open source, they could devote more resources to making and SELLING killer apps. 
<Mr_Cooger> Driver development would probably increase, simply because certain types of drivers need kernel support (like SCSI, for instance). 
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<Mr_Cooger> (Though that won't be an issue after R4). 
<Mr_Cooger> And they could still sell BeOS. 
<Mr_Cooger> People do pay to have a nice CD, with a clean installer, and plenty of applications. 
<Mr_Cooger> And support. 
<Mr_Cooger> No one wants to compile their own OS. 
<Tartarus> GPL'ed they could "borrow" from linux, etc.
<sno> Hm. I guess never having worked in this industry I'm still struggling to find where I stand on what should be free and what shouldn't be. As an unemployed user, I still enjoy getting all my software for free, but as someone who is bound to be doing development eventually, I'd like to make some money doing it.
<Mr_Cooger> Ever heard of dumping? 
<Mr_Cooger> It's when you sell a product below cost to drive up your market share. 
<sno> Perhaps this is indicative of our society moving towards a more StarTrek like world.
<Mr_Cooger> It seems to not be illegal in the software industry, if you look at Linux. 
<sno> I wonder if that could work.
<Mr_Cooger> It used to work extremely well. 
<Mr_Cooger> Once the competition dies, you control the prices. 
<Mr_Cooger> That's why dumping is now illegal. 
<sno> But not in the software industry? Not yet, anyway?
<Mr_Cooger> And if you look at what's down the road for PC hardware, look at Microsoft trying to create a brand new PC platform (that, guess what, uses Intel chips and runs NT). That's gonna be a nightmare for Be and Linux in a few years. 
<Mr_Cooger> Well, Linux sure hasn't gotten busted, has it? 
<Mr_Cooger> Neither has Netscape. To me, it seems to fall under the category of dumping. But I don't know what the legal issues are. 
<sno> I wasn't aware that they sold it below cost.
<Tartarus> no cost. :)
<Mr_Cooger> Whether or not it's actually dumping, it seems to be an effective way to gain users and development effort. 
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<Mr_Cooger> Sno, have you ever read The Mythical Man-Month, by Fred P. Brooks? 
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<Mr_Cooger> Our Caller, who art on the stack frame
<Mr_Cooger> Hallowed be thy Parameters
<Mr_Cooger> Thy Address Space come
<Mr_Cooger> Thy I/O be done
<Mr_Cooger> In Registers, as it is in Memory
<Mr_Cooger> Give us this day our periodic timeslices
<Mr_Cooger> And forgive us our page faults
<Mr_Cooger> As we forgive those who pass invalid parameters
<Mr_Cooger> Lead us not to unconditional JMPs
<Mr_Cooger> But deliver us from segment registers
<Mr_Cooger> For thine is the Address Space, the Registers, and the I/O ports
<Mr_Cooger> Jmp $
<Mr_Cooger> Ret
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<sno> Mmmm. Dropping prices on LCDs. I bet by the time I could afford a 21" Trinitron I'll be able to afford a 21" LCD.
<Stomp> Black snot.
<Stomp> A perk.
<Stomp> Boooorn freeee... Free as the wind blows...
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> I agree. Terry tends to be fairly solid normally, but in this he's just
<Tartarus> frothing at the mouth. As he would have known had he cared to actually
<Tartarus> look at any benchmarks, which show that Linus system calls are faster
<Tartarus> than under FreeBSD.
<Tartarus>                 Linus
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<Spht> _fudgeHQ_ Welcome to the chicken channel.
<Stomp> The chicken terminal?
<sno> Damnit man! This ain't no chicken channel.
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<Tartarus> no, this is the chicken channel.
<Stomp> Free as the grass grows...
<Tartarus> Free as the crack flows...
<Stomp> Today I retooled laser printer carts designated by the letters "BX". Just like that damned IRC client!
<sno> I am most definitely watching the Name of the Rose tonight.
<Stomp> They print sideways.
<sno> BX is such a foul IRC client.
<Stomp> Have YOU ever seen a printer print sideways?
<Stomp> Pushes the pages through left to right. or right to left.
<NeoN> shit, I am so fusking tired
<Tartarus> I have.
<Tartarus> Put one on its side.
<Stomp> Punk.
<Tartarus> Yeap.
<Stomp> BX user.
<Tartarus> Yeap.
<Mr_Cooger> I think I'll design a little life-size doll of Bill Gates's head with it's mouth open, so computer geeks everywhere to make Bill Gates suck their cock.
* Stomp vanishes in a puff of nutmeg
<sno> I don't want Bill near my genitals. But you can make a squishy Bill head that I can squeeze until it pops.
<Mr_Cooger> www.realbill.com
<sno> No, Troll would own one then.
<sno> But for the wrong reasons.
<Mr_Cooger> With the three-way penetration model. 
<sno> I want to run, I want to hide. I want to tear down the walls, that hold me inside. I want to reach out, and touch the flame, where the streets have no name.
<Stomp> A head with three peneterable orifices?
<Stomp> Mouth, neck, and eye socket?
<Mr_Cooger> No, the full doll. 
<sno> Where would you put the third hole?
<Stomp> But sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name.
<Stomp> sno: use a fast fucking eye socket.
<Mr_Cooger> I'd put it in his forehead. 
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<sno> Skull-fuck Bill?
<sno> Boy did you join at just the wrong moment.
<Mr_Cooger> You could pose him over chairs and everything. 
<Mr_Cooger> I'd even want the doll to bleed when you fuck it. 
<sno> Thats.... horrifying.
<Tartarus> Well, it'd make sense.
<Tartarus> Need lube.
<NeoN> Why when he fucks it?  Don't you want it?
<Tartarus> Or you end up like lothy.
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> OUCH
<NeoN> That one definitely has to go down in the #marathon history books
<sno> There's a #marathon history book?
<sno> I fear what it says about me.
<NeoN> You know what CS302 is teaching instead of C++?
<Mr_Cooger> HTML? 
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<NeoN> naw, Java
<sno> Java.
<sno> Ugh.
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<sno> That's so wrong.
<Mr_Cooger> Java roxors. 
<sno> Don't fusking teach people to code in Java.
<Mr_Cooger> You'll probably like Java better than C++. 
<NeoN> I honestly thought that I would be learning C++
<sno> It's so much harder to go backwards.
<Tartarus> heh, they do that for idiot CE people i think.
<sno> Give them C, then C++, THEN Java.
<sno> It's easy to go that way.
<Mr_Cooger> No, give them C++ first. 
<sno> It flows that way.
<NeoN> It seems confusing compared to C++ for me right now
<NeoN> I'm also taking a modular introduction to C++ course
<Mr_Cooger> Java has a lot of things that are easier than C++. 
<Mr_Cooger> You will worship garbage collection. 
<NeoN> I tried telnetting into the cs server today, it wouldn't allow me to
<sno> No, give them C, and give them basic stuff, show them their way around pointers, and let them touch the horrors that are malloc and free, then elevate them to C++ with reference variables and the joyous wonders of new and delete, and then finally throw them fully into the fire of OO with Java.
<sno> I violently oppose any other approach.
<Mr_Cooger> Nope. C++ has a much stricter compiler. Better to learn on that. 
<Mr_Cooger> Don't even let them get used to pulling crap in C++. 
<Mr_Cooger> Er, in C. 
<sno> Then learn C with the g++ compiler.
<Mr_Cooger> Other than that, C and C++ are really the same thing. 
<Mr_Cooger> Seems like a shame to teach people printf and scanf when you have cin and cout. 
<sno> I just think starting C for basic structures, so you can see other uses for pointers and see bad ways of doing dynamic memory.
<NeoN> I'm like.. too tired to study
<sno> Teach that all to them under the guise of it being the bad way.
<Tartarus> heh, egcs is getting bitchier and bitcher, it rocks.
<Mr_Cooger> You can do the same in C++. 
* Stomp strokes perl
<sno> Then give them C++, which fixes so much stuff, and teach them real dynamic memory, and then throw them at Java.
* Stomp strokes perl faster
<sno> Yes, but then they have real experience with all three.
<sno> Better still, teach them all three concurently.
* Tartarus puts the windex by stomp and runs.
<Stomp> Ooh, I got a little perl desktop reference booklet.
<Stomp> It's neet.
<Mr_Cooger> C offers nothing over C++. 
<sno> I would have LOVED to learn C, C++ and Java all in the same course. Having to write the same programs in each for the purpose of seeing the differences of each in a the most hugely amplified way possible.
<Mr_Cooger> There's no reason to still live in C. 
<sno> I agree.
<sno> Don't actually write any code in C.
<Mr_Cooger> The two languages we are concerned with should be C++ and Java. Not C, C++ and Java. 
<McP> sno: We did that in the OOP course.
<sno> But it's still prevalent enough that people should know their way around it.
<Mr_Cooger> They'd know their way around it by knowing their way around C++. 
<McP> You can't throw 3 languages in one course at a newbie.
<sno> I'm not saying that they need to become masters of C.
<sno> Well, you could have done it with me.
<sno> I guess the rest of the world is just dumb.
<sno> Oh wait, I knew that.
<NeoN> <-- is dumb
<McP> How about skilled in other areas?
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* sno apologizes for implying that Neon was dumb. 
<NeoN> No, I am truly stupid
<sno> I don't think you are at all.
<NeoN> compared to most people on this channel anyhow
<Tartarus> heh, from my psych book, "Does this statement mean that churches turn people into criminals?"
<NeoN> I couldn't even find the files that I downloaded to silver last night
<sno> I think I'm just really frustrated that when I went to take courses in data structures and things, I couldn't get one that  wasn't in Java.
<sno> Which is all fine and dandy, I want to learn Java.
<sno> I think Java is really cool.
<NeoN> Then again, I figured they were put in a temp directory because Unya was bitching out bry about that one time
<sno> But goddamnit, let me learn it in C.
<sno> Or in C++
<NeoN> My professors believe that Java is like the next big thing
<sno> So I know how to cope with the millions of lines of code still written in both of those.
<Mr_Cooger> Teaching Java to beginners is a dumb idea. But they seem to like it more. 
<NeoN> I have to install some shit.. bbl, maybe
<McP> Java is easier for them to teach.
<Mr_Cooger> I see more and more people that don't know how to program, but can create stuff in Java. 
<sno> I'd have liked to learn programming by starting with 1s and 0s and graduating each time to a higer level language.
<Balin> sno sydney uni has their own prpgramming language
<Balin> i think
<Mr_Cooger> Sno, read a book called "Assembly Language Step-By-Step". 
<Balin> a way to avoid C
<Balin> its called blue
<Mr_Cooger> By Jeff Duntemann, Coriolis Press. 
<Tartarus> lots do
<Tartarus> as a teaching lang anyways.
<Balin> probably really lame but teaches the basics well io'm sure
<Balin> ah
<sno> Java is easier to teach and to learn, I'm sure, but that's why it sucks. Weed out the people who can't do it first, because the leftovers can learn Java like they can learn how to breath once they've been tought C/C++.
<sno> Mr_Cooger - I'll look around for it.
<McP> Why does anyone have to be weeded out?
<Tartarus> So they can get the sucky jobs and outta the smarter peoples way.
<Tartarus> And put into manager positions of course.
<sno> Why waste their time and their money teaching them this if it's going to turn out that they can't do it?
<McP> But maybe they can do it, but they're too timid.
<sno> I love having people I can talk programming to, I'm all for the whole world learning it, but I could in see in my courses that some people got it and some people didn't. There are plenty of things that I can't do, not because I'm stupid, but because I just don't understand those things. And the same is true of other people.
<NeoN> hey McP: I need a java compiler for mac, what is there that's good?
<Tartarus> install linux neon. :)
<sno> I guess, not having ever written any Java, that I may just not see that it could be used to teach methodology and concrete that in their minds before you move on.
<NeoN> I should, I could download it fairly quickly
<McP> I remember this one girl panicking in my C class because she didn't understand what scanf was doing.
<NeoN> But then I'd spend all my time learning how to use unix instead of studying
<sno> See, that's what bothered me about how I was tought to program.
<McP> The sight of & and * scared her somehow, because she didn't understand what they meant.  But you had to use them for the projects.
<NeoN> There are some hot chicks in my 302 class, I was surprised to see them there
<Mr_Cooger> I learned C before assembly. I went back and learned assembly, and it was no harder that way. 
<sno> There were times when in order to learn something, I just had to accept that these were the magic words that made it work and accept that I would come to understand them.
<Mr_Cooger> I'm sure that learning memory management is no harder even once you've had the comfort of gc. 
<McP> Neon: I dunno, man.
<NeoN> & means to the address of, right?
<Mr_Cooger> Or a reference. 
<sno> I feel that that methodology, which may have made me productive faster has robbed me of a real thorough understanding of things.
<NeoN> I don't know much about C++
<Tartarus> heh
<sno> I'd have rather learned it from the ground up. 1s and 0s to assembly to C, to C++, to Java.
<sno> With whatever steps I may have missed inbetween.
<Tartarus> one of these days i really will become a bit more then a fixit programmer. :P
<NeoN> I really like my CS302 professor though
<Mr_Cooger> That's a nice idea, but it just doesn't happen well in practice. 
<Mr_Cooger> It's much easier to say "Here are the magic words, learn then, and I'll show you how they work". 
<sno> I can see how it would fall short.
<NeoN> He had us write down how to make a peanut butter sandwich and turn it in, then he tried to do it using people's specific examples
<Mr_Cooger> and it's not like you permanently fucked your ability to understand assembly by learning C first. 
<NeoN> he made specific examples of their instructions
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<sno> On the other hand, I've also never had the chance to go and learn why the magic words did what they did. I got one year of college. Now i'm trying to teach the rest to myself.
<NeoN> making sure that he could find every possible little problem with their instructions
<Mr_Cooger> How low do you want to go? 
<sno> That's cool, Neon.
<sno> That guy sounds like a pretty kick ass professor.
<Mr_Cooger> Once you get to the 1s and 0s, do you want to study EE, to learn exactly how nad and nor gates work to do things like addition? 
<Mr_Cooger> nand 
<NeoN> I made decent instructions, but I didn't have time enough to make them perfect
<NeoN> although I knew I should because I kind of knew what he was going to get at
<Mr_Cooger> And once you learn that, do you want to study atomic physics? 
<Balin> i want to study quantum mechanics
<sno> My CS200 professor was just incompetant. I almost knew more about the language than he did. Like the day he said that constructors and destructors couldn't call printf or cout.
<Mr_Cooger> Then you'd REALLY understand what a computer does. 
<Balin> the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics can not both be true.
<Balin> that just hits me as bein gdamn funky.
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<Tartarus> heh balin
<sno> But my CS210 professor was pretty damned cool, but he had a real hard outer shell that turned off most of the other students.
<NeoN> You had to see it, it was damn funny
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<sno> Neon, my astronomy professor was kind of like that.
<sno> He demonstrated decelleration with an egg and a net.
<sno> And then he missed the net.
<sno> Smash.
<Mr_Cooger> My physics teacher in HS was like Mr. Wizzard. 
<NeoN> He was actually making the sandwich.  He had spread the peanut butter and helly on the bread according to someone's instructions, but when he read the instructions to put the sandwich together he just slapped his hands down on the peanut butter and jelly covered sides of the bread and tried to stick the plain sides together
<Mr_Cooger> He was a lot of fun. 
<Stomp> HELLy?
<sno> hahah!
<Stomp> Demonic sandwich spread?
<NeoN> er jelly
<Tartarus> Helly kicks ass.
<Tartarus> It's Satan sperm.
<NeoN> You should know that I always mistype by now
<NeoN> but I usually correct myself
<Tartarus> Thick 'n creamy!
<Mr_Cooger> I'd have just written "Find some woman to make the sandwich. That's their job". 
<NeoN> mebbe Lothy's gf used Helly instead of Astroglide
<Stomp> You'd trust a woman to make your sammiches?
<NeoN> Cooger: heh
<NeoN> Some kid wrote down how to actually make the bread
<sno> Coog, if I'd been than prof, I'd have given you a sandwhich with arsenic in it.
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<Mr_Cooger> What? 
<sno> Neon, that's a guy who's destined to be an assembly programmer.
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<sno> Or a kiss-ass.
<sno> It's too soon to tell.
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> I highly doubt he was able to finish his instructions in the 10 minutes that he gave us though
<sno> Well, that's why high-level languages can be better than assembly.
<sno> You get things done faster.
<sno> But maybe the bread isn't made to your exact specs. But it gets the job done.
<Tartarus> A good butter knife can help too.
<sno> That sounds like a really cool course.
<Stomp> I like being able to shout from across the room and get a seven foot sub with half a cow and ten farmers crops on it.
<sno> Mmmm. Subway.
<Stomp> Yeah, perl.
<Stomp> Hmm. Subway.
<sno> Perl is a way cool language.
* Stomp grabs a shovel and starts digging to the living room
<Mr_Cooger> Damnit, there has got to be some way to make it so that browsers don't open new windows. 
<sno> To the point that i plan to embed a Perl interpretter into this MUD to control the NCPs.
<sno> er, NPCs.
* Stomp stops digging
<Mr_Cooger> If a page opens a new window on me, I just close the site. It obviously has nothing of interest to me. 
<Tartarus> I like shoutin' "Gimmie a turkey sammich or somebody gets hurt!" and gettin' a sammich (sh scripts are fun!)
<sno> I hate that, Coog.
<Stomp> With shell scripts you have to tell a dozen different people what to put on your sammich to get it done.
<sno> Grab the Mozilla source and add an option, "Ignore Requests to Spawn New Windows."
* NeoN is trying to get his Java compiler to work
<Tartarus> But it's your way, right away!
<Stomp> And there's no way to completely stop spawning windows. Some are javascript based, those are easy enough to kill while losing other functionality, but TARGET is a standard part of HTML.
<Stomp> You'd have to reprogram.
<Tartarus> mozilla is fun
<Tartarus> wonder if my patches will make it in.
<Stomp> TARGET is a very important option to the A tag, but it allows you to spawn windows.
<Stomp> So just cut out _new.
<sno> Neon, make McP help you. His company spawned that damned thing.
<Tartarus> What you diggin' for boy!
<sno> Where are Adam and Nick?
<sno> He's building a Subway in his bedroom.
<sno> Duh.
<NeoN> No shit, I should
<Tartarus> That's stupid, have some schnook helicopters drop one in.
<NeoN> anyone have a version of Codewarrior that supports Java?
<sno> I'm sure Spy does.
* sno goes to grab his Java book.
<Mr_Cooger> Schnook? You mean Chinook? 
* Mr_Cooger pets the fro. 
<Tartarus> No, schnook!
* Tartarus slaps Coog.
<Mr_Cooger> No, fuck you! 
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<Tartarus> Fuck you, you fucking fuckup.
<Mr_Cooger> No, fuck you. 
<Kritter> quit padding the fowlmouth stats  you fucks.
<Tartarus> Fuck you coog, and fuck you kritter.
<Tartarus> Fucking canadians always fucking butting in.
<Mr_Cooger> No, fuck you. 
<Mr_Cooger> Fuck this fucking bull fucking shit, fucking man. 
<Tartarus> Fuck off, fuckwit.
<Mr_Cooger> No, you fuck off, fucker. 
<Mr_Cooger> I ain't fucking talking like a fucking chicken. We're fucking foulmouths, not fucking fowlmouths. 
<NeoN> Yeah, I definitely need a complete version of Codewarrior
<sno> Um. Java threads don't look real nice
<NeoN> mebbe I'll just go buy it
<Mr_Cooger> Get the academic version. 
<NeoN> I will
<Tartarus> Coog, don't make me fucking crush your fucking skull like an eggshell.
<Mr_Cooger> I'd like to fucking see you fucking crush a fucking eggshell. 
<Mr_Cooger> It's harder than you fucking think. 
<Tartarus> I crush all sorts of things.
<Mr_Cooger> Take an egg in your hand, and try to crush it. 
<Tartarus> And get to watch others crush stuff too.
<Kritter> between your fucking thighs?
<Tartarus> Fuck you, Canadian Jesus.
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<Kritter> you can't handle it.
<sno> The egg or the Canadian Jesus?
<Kritter> the fucking.
<Tartarus> Two hands aren't enough for My Long Dong(tm).
<Kritter> that rubber thing takes effort does it?
<Mr_Cooger> Tart the tripod. 
<sno> hah!
<sno> Where the fusk are Nick and Adam?
<NeoN> Unya gave me Codewarrior IDE 2.0, but not the complete thing
<NeoN> If I could just figure out where to put the Java classes, I'll be good
<Mr_Cooger> Metrowerks's Java blows. 
<NeoN> Well, what else is there?
<Mr_Cooger> Sun's JDK. 
<sno> I think you can get the JDK from Sun for free.
<sno> Do they not provide you with anything in the course?
<Nosty> JDK is free.  There are some sun press java books which are good.
<NeoN> Only Windoze shit
<Mr_Cooger> http://devworld.apple.com/java/text/download.html
<NeoN> And, no, JDK isn't out for Mac, I don't think
<Nosty> Yeah it is.
<sno> It is.
<sno> I've used it.
<sno> I just can't remember if it's free or not.
<Nosty> You have to have a machine that runs at least 7.5.5
<sno> It's not pretty, or at least version 1.0 wasn't.
<Nosty> When I played with JDK, it was free off the website.
<Nosty> java.sun.com
<Mr_Cooger> http://www.javasoft.com/products/jdk/1.0.2/installation-macos-mac.html
<Mr_Cooger> It's 1.0.2, which blows. But hey. 
<sno> There's another search helicopter hovering overhead.
<sno> Boy, I love the neighborhood I live in.
<Mr_Cooger> They must be looking for Unya and Troll. 
<Nosty> I remember Sun really supporting the mac, because Microsoft back then wanted you to "Activize" the web.
<sno> Bagel.
<Mr_Cooger> Well, Sun hasn't released a JDK 1.1 or 1.2 
<sno> Yes, bagel.
<Stomp> I think i'll make a disk image of something, and then delete it.
<Stomp> I think i'll make a disk image of a disc.
<Stomp> hrm.
<Nosty> Do a disk copy.  The little moof icon is worht it.
<Nosty> It does flips, so cute.
<Mr_Cooger> Moof sucks. 
<Stomp> Cooger was raped by a moof as a childer.
<Nosty> Nah, I think it's because Moof doesn't have an orfice for Cooger to rape.
<Stomp> Holy crap. I own Color-It.
<Mr_Cooger> Moof sucks. 
<Nosty> Who doesn't own color it?
<sno> "It will be toasted, and covered with peanut butter, mawawahahahah!
<Stomp> I thought me, up until a moment ago.
<Stomp> And I have SuperCard on the floor under my desk.
<Stomp> Which I don't often notice.
<Stomp> Sheesh.
<Nosty> Oh no, ancient hardware collection.
<Stomp> I didn't pay for that, obviously.
* Nosty slaps Stomp with Photoshop 1.9.7
<Nosty> err 1.0.7
<Stomp> Ooh, Travelin' Across Tecas Via CD-ROM.
<Nosty> I've thought about putting up a warez site with all my ancient stuff.
<Stomp> Texas.
<sno> Cooger could start the organization to help people who have been raped by pseudo-mythical creatures.
<Stomp> The Disc from Macworld 95.
<Nosty> I've traveled across Texas.  Miserable state.
<NeoN> ke coog
<Mr_Cooger> The OTHPWHBRBPMC. 
<Nosty> Like succbui?
<Nosty> And the toothfairy.
<Nosty> "The toothfairy took more than my teeth!"
<Stomp> Heh heh. Tooth fairy.
<Stomp> I see a hairy gay man in a tutu.
<Nosty> Has anybody here been abducted by aliens yet?
<Stomp> With little sparkling wings and a magic wand.
<NeoN> damn
<NeoN> that just slowed my computer down like a mutha
<Nosty> I must not been cool.  I have yet to be alien probed.
<NeoN> I dropped the MRJ classes into Codewarrior and I was like "Ok, this isn't going to work" but it did and my computer was just bogged
<NeoN> thanks for the url though Cooger.  I suppose I could've just looked around for it, but it's easier asking you all because I know most of you know more than I do about this shit
<Stomp> Is it live, or is it memorex?
<Mr_Cooger> Sure as heck wasn't hard to find. 
<Stomp> I know I should want to copy the entire Star Trek Omnipedia to my hard drive, but I just completely lack the motivation needed to do so.
<NeoN> Well, I don't go to devworld.apple.com
<Mr_Cooger> It was linked from javasoft.com
<NeoN> oh..
<NeoN> heh
<NeoN> I was looking at that before, but hunger called
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<sno> Ah yes, hunger. That strange force that drives a man to toast a bagel, spread peanutbutter on it, and jam it into a hole in his face.
* sno resumes trying to get the peanutbutter out of his nostrils.
<NeoN> I even did make myself a bagel, but with creamcheese and turkey
<NeoN> well, I have to install this
<NeoN> later
<sno> Have fun.
<Nosty> I really want bagels.
<Nosty> Perhaps tomorrow morning.
<Tartarus> reminds me, i'm about due for another alien abduction.
<Unya> Yes.  But if you want it tonight you'll pretty much just have to wait.
<Unya> argh.
<Mr_Cooger> Jeez. Using Dogbert to sell stuff. Sacrelige.
<Tartarus> Every time i go, my spelling gets worse, you can all track 'em that way.
<Nosty> Complete with the fold up satellite dish coming out your ass?
<Tartarus> No, hair.
* Tartarus whips Nosty with his slinkie.
* Nosty likes it.
* Tartarus strangles Nosty with it.
<Nosty> Hey, I'm eating.
<Tartarus> No, you're dead.
<Tartarus> Get it right.
<Nosty> But I need to eat.
<Nosty> Otherwise, you will see me get bitchy.
<Tartarus> No I won't, i'm waaay over here, and you're waaay over there.
<Unya> Is there a difference?
<Nosty> I stay bitchy all the time just for you Unya.  You're special.
<Unya> Yes; I'm male.
<Nosty> And I hate men.
<Tartarus> Eeek.
<Unya> As do all women.
<NeoN> You just like their schlongs
<Tartarus> So you only like the standin woman, Stomp?
<Nosty> Perhaps ordering a strap on for myself would make me happier.  Get rid of all that penis envy.
<Nosty> That is correct Tart.
<NeoN> I've decided to forget about the SDK for now
<Tartarus> Well damn.
<NeoN> I'll just use the CS labs, it's much easier
<Nosty> I need to give a bit of cunni now and then.
<Tartarus> Now that I know you don't like me, I gotta go and add you to the death-squad list.
<NeoN> You give cunni?
<Nosty> Neon, to Stomp, my stand-in woman.
<Tartarus> She's a raging lesbian, of course she does.
<NeoN> oh
<sno> If she's a lesbian I'm a walrus.
<NeoN> sno: maybe, I haven't seen you recently, or at all for that matter
<Tartarus> Quote McP, co co cachu
<Nosty> You can be the walrus.  Lennon thought he was.
<Tartarus> or something
<sno> I thought that was the Beatles.
<Mr_Cooger> Nosty likes to drink semen, Neon.
<sno> Bah, all that crappy before-I-was-born music.
<Tartarus> And McP quotes them.
<NeoN> Oh yeah?
<Tartarus> Exactly.
<NeoN> I think that's what fresca is, semen
<Kritter> orbitz
<Nosty> Sno, Lennon wrote much of the music for the Beatles with McCartney.
* NeoN remembers the Orbitz incident with RS
<NeoN> I think everyone on my floor is sleeping already
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> Blast some shitty techno. :)
<sno> They're storing up for Friday night.
<NeoN> Shitty techno!? No way
<NeoN> Sleep.. I should try that
<NeoN> I was way too tired today
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<Nosty> I tended to go out on Thursday nights when I was Neon's age.
<NeoN> and confused about everything
<NeoN> Thusday night would be a great night to go out, actually
<NeoN> I only have one class tomorrow
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<Nosty> I never had any on Fridays.
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<NeoN> heh, today I was trying to get a print card and I put money in the copy machine.  It looked like the right machine at the moment..
<NeoN> It made me make a copy before I could get my money back, which was all change
<NeoN> so I ended up with like $4.90 of change
* Nosty licks Stomp.
<NeoN> Then I got off the elevator on the 8th floor.  I think I was subconsciously following this chick.  Once I stepped off of the elevator, I realized what I had done and yelled out "What the hell am I doing!?"
<NeoN> everyone on the 8th floor must've thought I was odd
<Tartarus> And you aren't?
<NeoN> I am
<Nosty> "Second week, and the freshman are already too stressed out.  I saw an example of one breaking today>"
<NeoN> but not usually that odd
<NeoN> I swear I was just like sleep walking
<Tartarus> reminds me
<Tartarus> is it impolite to stare at someones tit when they tell you to?
<Nosty> Yes it is Tart.
<sno> When the tell you to?
<sno> How much crack do you smoke over there?
<Tartarus> Yes, tell.
<Nosty> Ahhh, tell.
<NeoN> My Math 114 lecture made no sense at all, although I have convered that content before
<Nosty> Sure, it's carte blanche.
<sno> Nosty is on crack. Her moral judgements are not to be taken seriously.
<Nosty> Nah, just eating along with irc.
<Kritter> she just wants sweat loving.
<Kritter> down by the fire.
<Tartarus> reminds me, 6 min till celeb death match
<Nosty> Don't forget the bear skin rug.
<Tartarus> nickelson (sp, i know) and that titanic-idiot
<sno> Who are the celeberties involved?
<sno> No way.
<Tartarus> yeap
<sno> Jack Nicholson and Leonardo DiCaprio are playing Quake?
<Tartarus> no, celeb death match
<Tartarus> claymation :)
<Mr_Cooger> Nicholson would kick that little girl's ass. 
<Nosty> MTV.
<sno> I don't understand.
<Nosty> MTV has a program with claymation figures and they kick the snot out of each other.
<sno> Oh, eMpTyV. That lame creating of decadent American consumerism.
<Tartarus> yeap.
<sno> Creation, rather.
<Tartarus> Only thing they got on there of any quality. :)
<NeoN> Man, where are those guys? I want to play some marathon
<sno> MTV is not capabale of quality.
<Tartarus> watch it, it's almost quality anyways
<Kritter> Aon Flux?
<Nosty> It's better than Yo! MTV Raps.
<Tartarus> aeon flux isn't an MTV show, is it?
<Nosty> I thought Aeon Flux sucks.
<Kritter> it is.
<Tartarus> thought they just showed it
<Nosty> It is an MTV show.
<Kritter> it's an MTV production. 
<Tartarus> ok, sno is wrong then. :)
<Nosty> Tart, you like Aeon Flux?
<Tartarus> yeah
<sno> It has merit as good sci-fi animation, but at its core it's no different than everything else they show. Sex running around for your enjoyment.
<Nosty> It really is Sno.
<Mr_Cooger> AKIRA!!!!!!!!!
<sno> Akira sucks.
<Kritter> nothing wrong with pushing the boundries of Sex on television. 
<Nosty> It's cartoon porn.
<Tartarus> And the rest of anime is...?
<Mr_Cooger> Akira rocks ass.
<Nosty> I thought Aeon was bad anime.
<sno> Akiras was a seminal work in the genre, but it's no good at all by itself. Ghost in the Shell and Ninja Scroll are better and as good as the Akira animation, respectively, and have much more depth and story.
* Tartarus is away, lets get ready to rumble... _em/bx_ _l/on_ 
<Mr_Cooger> I like Akira.
<Nosty> I just like women who kick ass.
<sno> Akira does some things very well, to be sure. But it has the weakest story.
<sno> No you don't, Nosty.
<sno> Otherwise you'd like Aeon Flux.
<Mr_Cooger> I don't give a shit about story. 
<sno> You like women who kick ass without being retarded male fantasies.
<Nosty> I really thought Aeon was terrible.  Exactly Sno.
<sno> Then Ghost in the Shell has visuals that are a thousand times better.
<Tartarus> gates is in this one too, sno.
<sno> It would be cooler if they were all playing Quake.
<NeoN> I've watched Ninja Scroll.  I liked it
<sno> Ninja Scroll is incredible. Ghost in the Shell is the best animation to ever exist on this planet though.
<Nosty> Liquid TV was good.
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<Mr_Cooger> Ghost in the Shell looks dumb. AKIRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<sno> Watch it.
<sno> It's infinitely better than Akira.
<Mr_Cooger> Doubtful.
<sno> The acting in the dub is better, the animation is better, the story is better, and the deep meaning it carries really hits me.
<sno> Trust me.
<sno> Akira's better moments are the quotable bits like, "We find desolation of the human heart!"
<Mr_Cooger> Akira's better moments are Tatsuo's acid dreams. 
<Mr_Cooger> Ghost in the Shell doesn't look as good as Akira. 
<Stomp> The Simpsons constantly pushes the envelope.
<Stomp> The television nudity envelope.
<Stomp> Running around town naked!
<Stomp> Little sawing men!
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<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> at least gates got killed
<Nosty> Gates got killed like Kenny?
<Tartarus> smashed to bits
<Tartarus> the robot he built backfired.
<Nosty> I'm all for that.
<Tartarus> See, MTV isn't all crap
<Nosty> Have you seen the Bill Gates Best Buy commercial?
<Tartarus> (and i like aeon flux because its a fucked up cartoon, btw)
<Tartarus> yeah, that's stupid.
<Nosty> I like that commercial.
<Nosty> I totally chuckled.
<Tartarus> It's kinda funny, but it's stupid.
<Tartarus> like celeb death match, it's really damn stupid, but clay death is funnny.
<Nosty> Well you watch Aeon Flux.  We can no longer trust your opinion.
<Tartarus> i thought you didnt because i like manson. :)
<Nosty> What a lethal combination.  Manson and Aeon Flux.  You are doomed to hell.
<Tartarus> and i use BX
<Nosty> Doomed to the lawyers in hell.
<Tartarus> woo.
<Mr_Cooger> Ooooh, a new number to dial. 10-10-220. 
<Mr_Cooger> This one is endorsed by Dennis Miller, it must be better. 
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<LukPac> lo all
<LukPac> you alive neon?
<Mr_Cooger> Neon said something abuot "screwing those skanky bitches" or something. 
<LukPac> ahh
<LukPac> college women....
<NeoN> oh yeah, I'm alive
<NeoN> question for ya
<LukPac> shoot
<NeoN> How do I hand in my code via telnet or whatever?
<NeoN> instead of having to go to the CSL labs and do it
<LukPac> you in 302?
<NeoN> 110 and 302
<NeoN> 302 is Java now, btw
<LukPac> you can't...
<LukPac> that sux
<LukPac> those are both NT classes...
<NeoN> I can't? I thought you did last year
<NeoN> There's gotta be a way
<LukPac> when you get in 367 you get a UNIX account
<LukPac> or any other class, for that matter
<LukPac> nope...
<NeoN> What if I had them set me up a unix account now?
<NeoN> I can log in, they just won't allow me to use the telnet server
<sno> How is Silver from where you are?
<NeoN> sno: fast as hell
<LukPac> you can try ftp...
<NeoN> I usually get around 100k/sec, if not more
<NeoN> I tried ftp
<LukPac> but I'm 99.99% sure you need an account on the Sun workstations
<NeoN> man, this sucks! I'm going to have to go down to the CS building like every day 
<LukPac> which is for upper classes only
<LukPac> ha
<NeoN> so, you took 302 first semester and 367 second?
<LukPac> damn, I need another comp and CD-R...
<Mr_Cooger> Woohoo. World's Wildest Police Videos is on. 
<LukPac> have like 40 CDs waiting to be burned here
* Tartarus is back, aaah _gone (30m 14s)_
<LukPac> yea
<NeoN> heh
<Tartarus> Gates dead, DiCaprio dead.
<NeoN> should I offer to make "backup" copies of CDs on my message board?
<LukPac> heh
<NeoN> "Will make backup copies of CD's. See me for more info..."
<LukPac> heh
<NeoN> right now it says "Vils Money.  Yeah, we gots that"
<NeoN> my friends just put whatever on there
<NeoN> I had like 6 chicks stop by on Saturday night because my friend put "If you ladies are looking for some hot action, come on in!" on my message board
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<LukPac> then they saw you...:()
<NeoN> heh, well, it was Quiet hours
<NeoN> I think that was Sunday night, actually
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<LukPac> as if that matters??
<LukPac> Quiet hours were such BS on our floor...
<NeoN> Well, our house fellow is kind of strict on that right now, but maybe he'll be lenient
<LukPac> ours was pretty cool - really lax
<NeoN> What floor were you on again?
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<LukPac> 8A
<NeoN> My floor seems to have a lot of the same residents
<LukPac> hmm
<NeoN> 9A here
<LukPac> used that bathroom a number of times:)
<NeoN> same residents meaning that they lived on this floor last year
<LukPac> yea
<NeoN> Yeah, I used 8 yesterday after the janitorial lady told me I couldn't use the bathroom while she is cleaning.  I was like "Why not?"
<LukPac> you check out that site yet?
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<NeoN> Yeah, I did
<LukPac> heh
<LukPac> and...?
<NeoN> it's real hard to get into though
<LukPac> yea...6 users
<NeoN> It has quite a bit of stuff
<LukPac> uh huh
<NeoN> I was thinking of setting up my own ftp site, but then I'm like "I don't want tons of people bogging my connection.  Plus, I just don't have the HD space for it"
<LukPac> if I would have had another comp I would have...
<NeoN> I do have another comp..
<NeoN> and no roommate
<NeoN> woo!
<LukPac> so set it up...
<NeoN> Think I'm going to
<NeoN> it seems like I have a static ip
<LukPac> pretty much...
<LukPac> I had the same one all year
<NeoN> heh, then why pay for one?
<LukPac> I *think* they are mapped to the ethernet ports...
<LukPac> to get a name...
<NeoN> I suppose
<LukPac> neon.resnet.wisc.edu....
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<LukPac> 146.151.127.107
<LukPac> that was me...
<NeoN> I'm not paying $25 for a name
<NeoN> 146.151.128.110 is me
<LukPac> doesn't look like anyone is plugged in
<LukPac> I think I'm gonna go...
<LukPac> gotta shower and get up early tommorow
<NeoN> Ok, later
<NeoN> hey..
<LukPac> ?
<NeoN> I have tried Marathon, btw, or did I already tell you that?
<LukPac> not sure...
<NeoN> It works great
<NeoN> I was playing a couple of 3 player games yesterday
<LukPac> heh
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<LukPac> Apple Talk is nice....goes anywhere on campus
<LukPac> play Quake at all?
<NeoN> naw, I hate quake
<LukPac> :P
<NeoN> people can be way too cheap
<NeoN> it's not even fun
<LukPac> ?
<NeoN> not like that anyhow
<LukPac> I haven't played in awhile...
<NeoN> Oh, you know.  Getting shields, getting the only rocket launcher and blasting the hell out of everyone and right before you die, get shields again
<NeoN> it's dumb
<LukPac> you just gotta know where shit is...
<LukPac> like me:)
<NeoN> I prefer marathon, it's more balanced
<LukPac> hmm
<Tartarus> quake is annoying
<Tartarus> if you know where most of the shit is in the map, its just who gets there 1st
<LukPac> well, I'm gone...
<LukPac> so?!
<LukPac> BTW, you can modify it to not do that....
<NeoN> later luk
<LukPac> just like you can modify anything else, which really rox
<NeoN> Nobody does though
<LukPac> sure they do
<LukPac> ...anyway
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
* Tartarus is away, autoaway after 10 min _em/bx_ _l/on_ 
<Mr_Cooger> "The search for survivors becomes a search for the cause of the crash." WTF does that mean?!?!?! 
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* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
<Tartarus> They're all dead.
<Tartarus> And they wanna know why.
<Mr_Cooger> I know that. But WTF is it phrased that way?! 
<Mr_Cooger> This is the news, damnit. 
<Stomp>  pablo!pablo@annex-0-7-port-9.dialup.coast.net  following your previous suggestion, i've set up enterprise marketing beef flavored shaved ice.  I'm contacting you to arrange for your share of the stock. 
<Tartarus> Two stories at once.
<Tartarus> They're all dead.  Search for why is now on.
<Tartarus> !sbeef pablo
<Stomp> I could be independantly wealthy overnight.
<Troll> heh
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<Stomp> I suggested that to him, a random person who msg'd me, months ago.
<Stomp> But he was using a different nick at the time.
<Stomp> Okay, less than a month.
<Stomp> But a long time.
<Stomp> My, how time does fly.
<Stomp> Okay. My new HD is officially called Simian.
<Stomp> Kinda like Semen, only completely different.
* Tartarus is away, stupid school, bbt _em/bx_ _l/on_ 
<Stomp> And the icon is of a number of ape-men approaching a large black monolith.
* Mr_Cooger kills Be. 
<Mr_Cooger> "And another thing: the installation of a driver is ingeniously simple: You copy the driver into the driver directory - done! No reboot necessary, you can immediately access the respective device. A reboot is at most required when you remove a driver which is already in the folder. 
<Troll> uh
<Troll> why do you need to reboot when it's installed?
<Mr_Cooger> I don't care. 
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<Spht> _W--d_ I'm a lame ass.
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<Brymen> hello?
<Mr_Cooger> Hi.
<Brymen> _user1.inficad.com_ _brymen_: pine
<Brymen> Who are you? (Unable to look up login name)
<Brymen> how do i fix this?:)
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<DayTrip> hewy
<Brymen> hey james.
<Brymen> who is james again?
<NeoN> dt?
<Brymen> ah
<NeoN> I think.. =)
<DayTrip> yeah
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<DayTrip> ahh
<DayTrip> better
<NeoN> do you DayTrip often?
<DayTrip> heh
<DayTrip> It's not a drug reference
<DayTrip> and it's not a beatles reference
<DayTrip> Although, both would be cool references
<NeoN> heh
<Brymen> dt, know how to fix _user1.inficad.com_ _brymen_: pine
<Brymen> Who are you? (Unable to look up login name)
<Brymen> ?
<sno> Bry, type set
<DayTrip> huh?
<DayTrip> bry's fucked I think
<Brymen> okay
<Brymen> i just got a source code
<sno> Look for something along the lines of your login name.
<Brymen> PWD=/users/a-m/b/br/brymen
<DayTrip> env _ grep name
<sno> They're shell environment variables.
<Troll> ahh kick ass got networking going in my code again
<sno> How about a username or login or something like that?
* Troll has left his console. Agent: coding, checking msgs every few minutes
<Brymen> LOGNAME=brymen
<DayTrip> Bry: are you trying to set the name PINE sets the from value to?
<DayTrip> That's a config option.
<sno> He can't even launch pine.
<Brymen> this is on inficad
<Brymen> it used before
<Brymen> er
<Brymen> it worked before
<sno> But I suppsoe you could go looking through your .pinerc file.
<Brymen> and this just now does this
<DayTrip> Yeah, rename your .prinerc file
<sno> I'd call Inficad and tell them about it.
<DayTrip> sno: no, it's userland I'm sure
<sno> They were pretty knowledgeable when I talked to them.
<Brymen> i dont want them to see all the accesses i make to the porn newsgroups
<Brymen> :)
<sno> heh
<sno> Try what DT said...
<sno> mv .pinerc blah
* DayTrip is going to buy groceries over the net
<Brymen> it looks like my pinerc is blank.
<DayTrip> how lame am I?
<sno> Then run pine again.
<Brymen> i moved it
<Brymen> why dont i delete it and hope pine writes a new one?
<sno> Why don't you just use NewsWatcher for porn?
<Brymen> i did move it
<Brymen> its still gives me the same error
<Nosty> Are the newsgroups stored in pinerc?  I thought they were in newsrc.
<sno> Pine/Tin have their merits, but on the whole, NewsWather is probably more efficient.
<Nosty> Does Newswatcher decode them?  That is the one feature for porn I like with netscape.
<sno> Yes, it does.
<Brymen> it makes a new pinerc
<DayTrip> netgrocer.com is kinda cool.
<DayTrip> What's good food?
<sno> It should.
<Brymen> yeah but its blank
<sno> But it didn't fix the problem?
<sno> That's fine.
<DayTrip> I need to stock up on groceries
<DayTrip> so far I've got lots of juice.
<Brymen> Really.
<DayTrip> what other types of snacks are good?
<Nosty> They deliver your groceries DayTrip?
<sno> Got anything we shouldn't know about in your .login or .cshrc file?
<Brymen> um, not only is it blank, but i dont know half of the stuff im supposed to fill it with
<Nosty> I like Keebler Cookies.
<sno> What? .pinerc or .login and .cshrc?
<Nosty> I tend to get stuff like olives and cheese for my snacks.
<Brymen> claris emailer is dying slowly on me.
<sno> Can you bring an irc client on from Inficad's Unix box?
<Brymen> i  was using pine and now i get this.
<Nosty> I can't stand emailer.
<DayTrip> yeah, cookies would be cool
<Brymen> i hope pine on silver doesnt fail. ineed to find a new pop client
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<DayTrip> pine != pop
<sno> Indeed.
<sno> But oh well.
<Nosty> I like Eudora for pop.
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<sno> What happenede?
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<Brymen> It still isnt working...
<sno> You couldn't get on IRC from Inficad?
<Brymen> hmm
<Brymen> let me try..
<sno> Not Ircle, mind you.
<Brymen> i havent used ircle for months
<Brymen> i can irc fine
<sno> Good boy. :)
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<sno> OK, joint #bryunix with your client from Inficad.
<sno> Er, join.
<sno> And I don't even smoke. Sheesh.
<NeoN> heh
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<DayTrip> Wouldn't it be brynux?
<DayTrip> snix
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<NeoN> I use ircle for downloading shit
* jkowall is away. bed, bbt _SZon_
<Stomp> I will be disconnected any second.
<Stomp> I feel it.
<Stomp> Stale...
<Stomp> Brooding...
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<Spht> _fudgeHQ_ Welcome to the chicken channel.
<Spht> _Vaca_ Bovino, World's top Mfr. of cat 4.9 cables!
<Brymen> i reall ywant my job at compusa.
<Spht> _Tartarus_ I am fueled by filth and fury.
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<Spht> _Squeaky_ This is not Science fiction, this is what they are.
<Spht> _Stomp_ You may call it Wilbur.
<_Sonic_> ap, you in London yet?
<Ap> nope.  i'm moving in for good on wednesday morning.
<Ap> moving furniture on saturday.  bringing the girlfriend on monday to paint my room.
<_Sonic_> Why so late?
<_Sonic_> girlfriend???
<Ap> dentist appt. on tuesday.
<sno> Canadian dentistry is a shady business.
<Ap> only because it controls global dentistry.
* sno goes to brush his teeth.
<_Sonic_> ap... you haven't been calling the apartment here by any chance?
<Ap> nope.
<Brymen> tommorow is a friaday.
<Brymen> damn
<_Sonic_> I've been having someone from Toronto call me like every day.
<Brymen> i get out at 2:55 instead of 2:35
<_Sonic_> I don't know anyone from T.O.
<Brymen> stupid ass fucking assebly
<Brymen> assembly
<_Sonic_> Just you.
<Ap> i'm not really from toronto though.
<Brymen> hey sonic, who are you?
<_Sonic_> Yeah, I'm going by the area code.
<Ap> what's the #?
<_Sonic_> 902, or 905 or something. I forget now. Nicky says it's Toronto.
<Stomp> I think i'll install 8.5.
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<Stomp> Not like I have anything to lose.
<Ap> 905 is like half the province.
<Stomp> I'm also going to use PlusMaker and PlusMaximizer.
<_Sonic_> oh, well I don't have a clue than.
<DayTrip> wheee
<DayTrip> I just bought groceries over the net!
<_Sonic_> I bought 4 books yesterday, 493.00, and 3 of them were for one class!
<Ap> sheeeit.
<Brymen> holy ass
<Ap> did you get the kernighan and ritchie book?
<_Sonic_> yeah, my main comp sci class requires a C book, a data structures book, and a Unix book.
<sno> Which data structures book?
<sno> Which C book and which Unix book?
<_Sonic_> just a sec.
<sno> That sounds like a nice CS course.
<_Sonic_> C 'How to Program"
<sno> Don't know that one.
<_Sonic_> Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
<_Sonic_> Unix System V, A Practical Guide.
<sno> Nor that one, but now that I'm thinking about it, that makes sense. My C experience starts and stops with the K&R C book.
<sno> Boy... they're starting back there a bit.
<_Sonic_> My fav is gonna have to be Sparc Architecture, Assmbly Language programming, & C.
<_Sonic_> Yeah Right!
<sno> C and SVR4?
<_Sonic_> None by that title.
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<sno> Granted, we were using Solaris at ASU, but we were doing C++, and now I can't find a course that isn't in Java. Annoying as hell.
<sno> Do they move you on to C++ or Java at some later point? (Preferably both?)
<_Sonic_> Java is now First Year, C and Assembly is second, and I imagine C++ is in the upper year courses.
<Ap> nah, it's all perl.
<sno> Oh, that's cool.
<_Sonic_> Is it practical to try and learn Unix through Linux?
<sno> Had I made it to my next year at ASU, I'd have had the choice between Intel and Motorola assembly. Only one of them could count towards your degree. I was going to take both anyway. Concurrently even.
<DayTrip> Sonic: heh, C++ is the intro CS langauge here
<_Sonic_> What school DayTrip?
<DayTrip> Sno: how many years did you finish at ASU?
<DayTrip> Ithaca College
<NeoN> Java is intro here, C++ used to be
<sno> I should think so. Linux is a Unix, but it definetly lives in it's own little world. I think you'll find yourself a bit better off if you hug close to the Sun/SVR4 things.
<sno> DT, only one, for financial reasons.
<DayTrip> The CS classes here are horrible at the first and second year level
<DayTrip> Ahh
<_Sonic_> Ithaca, a friend of mine plays for the football team there I think.
<sno> It's real bullshit, actually. I was doing so fucking good.
<DayTrip> You plan on going back?
<sno> To school, absolutely. And in this state.
<sno> Since I'm working on my resume.
<sno> Or, residency.
<sno> Can you tell where my mind is/
* DayTrip has already taken a year off between hs and college, now I'm thinking about taking another semester off
<sno> I'm hating every second that I'm not in school.
<DayTrip> I won't be done with College until I'm 25 :-)
<sno> Hm.
<DayTrip> Of cource, I want to be able to afford grad school...
<_Sonic_> Me either.
<NeoN> I could've stood to take a year off
* sno formulates a plan.
<sno> I'm going to go and sit in on various University courses.
<DayTrip> Sno: are you going back to ASU?
<sno> It's a possibilty.
<DayTrip> hmm
<sno> It looks like U of A though.
* DayTrip thinks college costs too much
<sno> I'd fucking go anywhere that would give me the financial aid to go.
<sno> It does, but I want my degree.
<DayTrip> me too
<sno> Where are you?
<DayTrip> Ithaca College
<DayTrip> paying 20k + a year :(
<sno> In Ithaca New York?
<sno> Youch.
<DayTrip> This can't last too long.
<_Sonic_> Holy, come to canada!
<DayTrip> yeah
<sno> You could cut that in half even on out of state in Arizona.
<sno> In-state is like, $2500 for a full year.
<DayTrip> My new plan is to be able to afford college by making more money up front
<DayTrip> then not having to worry about paying as I go :-)
<DayTrip> (by working)
<sno> I could afford college if I could bloody get employed.
<sno> I'd love to do that.
<DayTrip> I'm currently on 3 payrolls
<DayTrip> 4 if you count my on campus job
<sno> Nice work.
<DayTrip> not really ;-)
<sno> I have applications everywhere.
<sno> The fusking NSA has my resume.
<DayTrip> yeah
<sno> TNI has mine for three positions.
<DayTrip> I thought about doing the NSA thing
<DayTrip> It's a good pay to pay for school
<sno> The Universitf of Arizona another three.
<sno> They were advertising for sysadmins on CareerMosaic.
<sno> Took me by suprise, but, hey. It'd be a cool job.
<DayTrip> I'd actually love to work at the NSA
<sno> THere is nothing cooler than announcing that you work for the NSA.
<sno> so would I.
<sno> I'd go in for most gov jobs.
<sno> NASA.
<DayTrip> they'll pay something like 75% of your tuition
<DayTrip> most GOV jobs suck
<sno> Come to think of it, I'd go in for any tech job right now.
<DayTrip> NSA is cool cuz it's james bond shit
<DayTrip> well, not really, but sort of
<Ap> no, that's the CIA.
<sno> I am totaly going to go and find out where some of these CS courses are meeting and sit in on them.
<sno> No, that's Her Majesty's Secret Service.
<NeoN> sno: do it
<DayTrip> Yeah, sit in some lecture hall
<Ap> MI6, to be exact.  but the US equivalent is the CIA.
<sno> Going to.
<sno> Just got to find a good one.
<sno> heh
<_Sonic_> ap: tell me more about your girlfriend.
<DayTrip> Did ASU fuck you over on financial aid?
<sno> I could go and spend all day sitting in on these CS courses.
<NeoN> You could base your whole education on doing that and you wouldn't have to pay
<DayTrip> NeOn: no degree
<NeoN> of course you wouldn't get your degree either
<Ap> she's awesome, sonic.  i couldn't be happier.
<_Sonic_> good for you.
<DayTrip> ap: how long have you known her?
<sno> I fucked myself over with regard to ASU. U of A then went and fucked me over for money. I should have just gone back to ASU and not decided to transfer.
* Troll has returned to his console. Agent:
<Ap> 3 mos.
<DayTrip> ahh
<sno> Or I should have stuck with my plans and not come out here because of a girl.
<DayTrip> where are you now?
* sno points at himself and says, "Loser."
<_Sonic_> ap: she in University? if so where?
<NeoN> Loser? sno, you are one damn smart person
<sno> In Tucson. With Unya and Troll, which rocks, but, I'm not in school and every major employer in town hasn't gotten back to me.
* DayTrip wants to go to Boston College
<NeoN> You need to get yer arse back in college
<sno> Yes, I do.
<Mr_Cooger> You moved out to Arizona because of Erin? 
<NeoN> I like college so far, but everything's a little confusing for me right now
<sno> Yes, Coog, I did. I'm an idiot, I know.
<DayTrip> heh
<Ap> she's not in university.
* DayTrip has decided he's in the wrong major
<DayTrip> Completely.
<sno> Not anymore.
<DayTrip> I think I should be an english major
<sno> CS?
<NeoN> what's your major?
<sno> Why?
<DayTrip> I'm horrible at Math
<DayTrip> CS
<sno> So am I.
<NeoN> heh, I'm horrible at math too
<_Sonic_> Me too
<DayTrip> I mean, *horrible*
<sno> Anyone who tells you that you need to be good at math to do CS is lying to you.
<NeoN> I'm going to toy with CS, but I'm not sure if it is going to be my major
<sno> They don't understand what programming is about.
<Mr_Cooger> Bah. 
<DayTrip> which is preventing me from gettong anywhere in CS
<sno> They are programming languages, there is a whole aspect to them that has nothing to do with math.
<DayTrip> SNO: the mathe requirements (which classes) are killing me
<Ap> sno: i think Tuxedo would beg to differ.
<sno> I understand, but damnit, you can write the code, right?
<DayTrip> I already can't take any CS classes next semester until I finish Calc
<DayTrip> yeah
<sno> I failed Discrete Math at ASU.
<DayTrip> heh
<DayTrip> I'm in pre-calc
<DayTrip> and not doing well
<sno> But I can code, and IMHO, pretty damned well.
<DayTrip> however, I placed into Advanced writing II
<DayTrip> which is a red flag I'm in the wrong major
<sno> Especially given that I'm teaching myself every bloody thing I know.
<DayTrip> when you place into the lowsest math, and the highest english...
<Mr_Cooger> If you ever want to write something that hasn't been written before by someone else, you need math in CS. 
<sno> DT, don't give up on it like that. You can get help for the math. courses. Programming is so much more language than it is math.
<sno> I'm the same damned way.
<sno> I took a Latin test after being absent for two weeks and got a 90 on it.
<sno> Language just comes to me.
<sno> Math does not.
<sno> C, C++, Java, they are progamming languages.
<sno> There is a whole other angle to them that a lot of people ignore.
<Mr_Cooger> They are languages to manipulate numbers. 
<NeoN> My uncle also had trouble with calc, but he managed
<sno> That's not to say that the math doesn't have it's purpose, nor that it's not an important one, but there is that other side to programming.
<sno> Nosty put it well, the other day, actually.
<sno> Code is geek poetry.
<DayTrip> heh
<sno> There are people like you and me who couldn't tell you the quadratic equation if it was written all over our bodies but we can write good code, because it's not just math. It's also language, and logic.
<sno> brb
<_Sonic_> Depends what you're programming too.
<_Sonic_> Last year we didn't make any programs that required any superb math skills.  But a lot of logic.  You learn to think logical.
<NeoN> Sometimes I ponder just going to a tech school
<_Sonic_> ap: could you configure mine and Nicky's computers so that when we network them, she can use the internet at the same time as me?  We both have ethernet cards and a cable.
<Ap> hm.  maybe.
<Ap> i'm not skilled at convincing linux to be a router though.
<Brymen> I dont know if id move somewhere for a female.
<_Sonic_> How about win98?
<Ap> NT probably.
<Ap> don'ot think 98 has the capability.
<_Sonic_> oh
<Mr_Cooger> If you move somewhere for a female, it's like saying "Hey, I'm so head over heels for you, you can trample all over me and get away with it." 
* Ap is used to real routers.  ;)
<_Sonic_> ap: How's work been?
<Ap> worky.
<Ap> last day is tommorrow.
<_Sonic_> Nice, are you looking forward to getting back to school?
<Ap> hugely.
<Ap> not looking forward to leaving my other half behind though.
<_Sonic_> Long distance relationship, I know how ya feel.
<Ap> neither is she.
<Ap> she'll be visiting, i'll be going home.  
<_Sonic_> Well, you're not too far away.
<Ap> it'll be okay.
<Ap> yeah.  only a couple of hours.
<_Sonic_> that's nothing.
<Ap> i figure if mark and jane could make it, so can we.
<NeoN> I'm like 45 minutes away from my girlfriend and she is freaking out about the whole LD relationship thing
<Ap> and you and N, too.
<_Sonic_> Yeah, that's for sure. Have you heard from Mark?
<Ap> no, i haven't.  you?
<_Sonic_> nope.
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<Ap> maybe he died.
<_Sonic_> I don't think he likes me anymore.
<Brymen> The girl i could probably get as a girlfriend would be moving to san diego to go to college at the end of the year.
<Brymen> (school year)
<_Sonic_> Yeah, in those forest fires in BC.
<NeoN> bry: you still have plenty of time
<Brymen> Yeah but :P
<Ap> or he doesn't like us non-christian freaks.
<Mr_Cooger> The girl I want is moving to San Diego in 16 days. 
<_Sonic_> Yeah, I don't think he enjoyed our conversations too much.
<NeoN> You should atleast ask her out on a date
<Brymen> THe only reason she is going to san diego is to be near the beach.
<Brymen> heh
<NeoN> she blonde?
<Brymen> and college is kind of like a side point
<Brymen> No
<Mr_Cooger> The girl I want hates college and doesn't want to go. 
<Brymen> now thats comedy.
<DayTrip> Kelly?
<_Sonic_> ap:  I seen karen and Colleen at the Ceeps night before last.
<NeoN> I don't really know what to say about college.  Part of me hates it, the other likes it
<Brymen> this chick would be really easy, though.
<Ap> oh yeah?
<Mr_Cooger> Ew. KElly. 
<Brymen> i could ask her out tommorow.
<Ap> how are they?
<_Sonic_> They were asking about you.
<Ap> heh.  =)
<_Sonic_> Good, they have a place by Mile's Variety.
<Ap> oh, cool.
<_Sonic_> Them, Summer, Chelsea, and someone else.
* Ap can't remember karen's last name.
<_Sonic_> I could barely remember their names!  
<Ap> =)
<Ap> have you seen anybody from 4th?
<_Sonic_> I just remembered when I had to introduce them to the wife.
<_Sonic_> Nobody from fourth yet.
<_Sonic_> See lots of Delaware girls though :P
<Ap> hat girl!
<_Sonic_> ha ha, nope
<_Sonic_> I was thinking I would see her in Brockville. No such luck though.
<Ap> do i have your phone # in London?
<_Sonic_> yup, if ya still have that e-mail
* Ap checks
<Ap> you gonna be around on sunday?
<Ap> er, monday.
<_Sonic_> yup.
<Ap> cool, i'll pop by and introduce you to my other half.
<_Sonic_> I have your address, and a brand new bike, maybe I'll pop by for a visit.
<Ap> cool.
<_Sonic_> Well, when will you be at your place?
<NeoN> Well, shit, bedtime
<Ap> painting on monday, moving in on wednesday morning or early afternoon.
<_Sonic_> Is it safe to say I could pop by on Monday any time.
<Ap> don't know.  not sure when i'll be there.
<_Sonic_> ok, you just give me a call when you have some time.
<Ap> okay.
* Ap won't have a phone line 'till the 16th!
<_Sonic_> ouch
<_Sonic_> why not?
<Ap> the earliest i could get it installed and not conflict with classes was then.
<_Sonic_> You have to be there? How come?
<Ap> 'cause they're installing a brand new physical line.
<_Sonic_> Ahh, I see.  Good internet connection!
<Ap> yes, very nice.  =)
<_Sonic_> Old phone lines don't like to connect at the full speed.  I'm surprised where I'm living that I connect at my full speed.
<_Sonic_> Did I show you the house last year?
<Ap> no, just told me where it is.
<Ap> brb.  little boys' room.
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all!
<Pfhormerl> 'sup?
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* Ap does up his schedule in html
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<Ap> 'trapped under ice / comfortably cold / i've gone as low as you can go / feel no remorse / no sense of shame / time's gonna wash away all pain'
<_Sonic_> what's that from?
<Mr_Cooger> Underworld? 
<Mr_Cooger> Or KMFDM? 
<Ap> kmfdm
<Ap> 'anarchy'
<Mr_Cooger> KMFDM rocks. 
<Ap> 'sacrifice to the cause / turn your code into law / compensate to validate the loss / take a thief - nail him to the cross'
<Mr_Cooger> Damn, now I gotta listen to Anarchy again. 
<Bovino> wheee
<Ap> sonic: my brother and went to london on sunday and saw a movie at the galleria after dropping some stuff off at my place.
<Bovino> Still no stats?
<Ap> we saw people moving into the king's inn.  i laughed, but then got all nostalgic.
<Troll> hey tyler
<Bovino> Adam, your reverse DNS isn't working the best yet ;)
* Troll hopes he set up the washer correctly....
<_Sonic_> The paper said "Galleria is temporarily closed"... maybe not.
<Bovino> You shoudl also run ident ;)
<Troll> yeah, I noticed :)
<Troll> I do
<Bovino> hmm
<Troll> lightning.net has issues
<Bovino> Serve didn't pick it up
<Troll> watch I'll move to another server
<Brymen> my life aint to holiday.
<Troll> yeah
<Pfhormerl> bbiaf
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<Troll> blackened never lets me connect
<_Sonic_> King's Inn was a great place to live.  Don't miss the roommate though :)
<Bovino> You should be able to...
<Troll> 1 sec, I'll try
<Bovino> try port 6666
<Troll> ok
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<Bovino> : nslookup : 169.197.54.108 -> nightfall.digitalspark.net
<Bovino> This was happenign the first weekend I had moonix up
<Troll> on prison net right now
<Troll> blackaned does this:
<Bovino> It should go away soon
<Troll> Looking up your hostname...
<Troll> Checking Ident
<Troll> Found your hostname
<Troll> Got Ident response
<Troll> and hangs there
<Troll> for ever
<Bovino> What port?
<Troll> remebrLooking up your hostname...
<Troll> Checking Ident
<Troll> Found your hostname
<Troll> AUUGH
<Troll> this was happening when I lived in VT, too
<Bovino> It hates you
<Troll> tried 6666 that time
<Bovino> Maybes it's yoru client
<Troll> no kidding
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> could be
<Bovino> Isn't there a new version of xircon?
<Troll> anyway, need to get matt doing FWDing
<_Sonic_> Talk to ya soon ap... gotta go to bed.
<Troll> no, beta4, released almost a year ago is the latest
<Bovino> Use ircii ytou weenie
<Troll> bleh
<Bovino> BTW, I enjoyed dinner tonight, want to do lunch after my class tomorrow?
<Troll> mmm, sounds like a plan
<Bovino> Class from 1:00-2:00, be at office ~ 2:30
<Bovino> How do they wroking training hours?
<Troll> ahh
<Troll> I get a lunch break at like 12:30, and its over around 3-3:30
<Bovino> Goat ass
<Troll> no thanks, trying to quit.
<Bovino> 12:30 is too close to 1:00 and 2:30 is too far from 3:30
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<Bovino> Although I suppos eit's not so bad
<Bovino> I just need to be at summer's by 5:00ish
<Troll> hummm
<Troll> yeah, well if we don't take detours to see the sights we could do it
<Troll> :)
<Bovino> I dunno if it's worth the wait fo ryou or what
<Troll> I don't want to make you late for breathing lessons.
<Bovino> There will be no brething, trust me :)
<Troll> heh
<Bovino> wellif we take 2 cars soemwhere...
<Bovino> Like, i dunno el cheapo burger stand, I can still eb at her hosue by 5:00
<Troll> yeah
<Bovino> we left at 4:30 and were totally done in a little over an hour
<Troll> resent my DNS letter to you and matt, thanks for doing it,  BTW
<Bovino> No problem
<Bovino> Adam, did you submit the internic changes?
<Troll> ok, movie time for a bit
<Troll> uhg, no.
<Troll> fusk
<Troll> I'll do it later tonight, how long is their update period?
<Bovino> They update every night
<Troll> I feel stupid for wasting matts time now
<Troll> damn
<Troll> damn damn
<Bovino> Submit the change tonight and it won't matter
<Troll> ahh ok
<Bovino> As long as it's submitted it's not wasting his time.
<Troll> ok
* Troll has never done any internic work
<Troll> I feel so .... lame.
<Bovino> It blos holy goats
<Troll> uhg.  FAQ time.
<Bovino> troll: OK, so I should show up after class?
<Troll> yeah, sounds good
<Troll> I'll smoove dave, tell him I need to go to lunch with osmeone in systems :)
<Bovino> Or you'll hack him warez
<Troll> haha
<Troll> friggin internic's site is being a piece.
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<Troll> hoo boy, it's totaly hosed.
<Troll> I'll keep trying tonight
<Bovino> Ugh
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> ok, movie, bbl
* Troll has left his console. Agent: movie
<Bovino> *** #dreamhack 1      
<Bovino> *** #hackerx   2      Come talk about hacking my anus
<Bovino> hahaha
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<Bovino> nacho nacho man
*** Vaca is now known as Scubachic
*** Scubachic is now known as Vaca
* Bovino hacks troll's puckers buttocks
<Bovino> what a boring channel tonight
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<Nosty> Dammit.
<Bovino> damn it
<Nosty> Hey Vaca.
<Nosty> I hate mailorder sometimes.
<Bovino> YO YO
<Bovino> hehe
<Nosty> I love to get my stuff.
<Bovino> I got my amazon.com order in 2 days and it was US MAIL
<Bovino> hahaha
<Nosty> Hey, that works.
<Bovino> I got the new CELINE DION cd chipped to me, BTW ;)
<Nosty> Ummm, I think I need to vomit now.
<Bovino> TIme fo rlseepy poo
<Bovino> Speaking of celine, we're gonna watch titanic tomorrow night
<Nosty> Okay, goodnight.
<Ap> http://publish.uwo.ca/~amrobert
<Bovino> It's supposadly said
<Nosty> Ooh baby.  Make you have an engagement ring ready.
<Bovino> er sad
<Bovino> Damn you ap, I jsut closed netsacpe
<Nosty> Little fucking brat.
*** Signoff: Brymen (im off to see the wonderful)
<Ap> it's just my class schedule.  don't know why you'd be remotely interested in it.
<Bovino> er
<Nosty> Nerd's brother did this whole cry story about his powerbook dying.
<Bovino> Why'd you splatter the URL then? ;)
<Bovino> Whatever
<Ap> why not?  =)
<Bovino> I'm gonna die tomorrow morning
<Nosty> So I go today and get this sucker with the kid all panicked because supposedly there is an important school item on it.
<Nosty> The kid tried to install 7.5.5 on his machine by stealing some files from school computers.
<Ap> maroon.
<Nosty> Then removed this 7.1.1 items.  
<Nosty> Needless to say, we didn't find any school stuff on the powerbook.
* McP kills Squeaky, his irc buddy.
<Ap> you kids clearly take your stats seriously.
<McP> Serious as gerbil pie.
<Nosty> *PingPong* yo!
<Nosty> *PingPong* fucking nerds go home
<Nosty> *PingPong* you're gay
<Nosty> I guess word gets around rather quickly.
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<Nosty> Hey Sno.
<sno> Hey.
<Nosty> How is the coding coming along?
<sno> Slow. Distracted.
<Nosty> Well you have a pussy now to keep you entertained :)
<sno> He can be distracting.
<Nosty> Oooh.  Nerd just said, "Nothing a gun can't solve."
<Troll> heh
<Nosty> Hmmm, Nerd thinks my stuff smells strongly.
<Balin> weeeee
<Balin> life is fun.
<Balin> heh
<Balin> what is it like to see
<Balin> the face of your own stability
<Balin> suddenly look away
<Balin> leaving you with the dead and hopeless
<Balin> 11 and she was gone
<Balin> 11 is when we waved goodbye
<Balin> 11 is standing still
<Balin> moving me with a sound
<Balin> opening me with inner gestures
<Balin> drawing me down in rage
<Balin> showing me where it all began
<Balin> you were the voice thats been calling me back home
<sno> Aussie music?
<Balin> tool.
<Balin> this is how i hear the lyrics
<Balin> i need to find the correct ones
<Balin> sno, have you listened to aenima?
<Balin> explosively powerful, technically brilliant, thought provoking. 
<Balin> no?
<sno> No, I've never heard of them.
<Nosty> Oooh, my favorite lawyers on tonight.
<Nosty> *thunk* *thunk*
<Troll> oh my god is starnet's mail server fucked up the ass.
<Nosty> Why do you say that?
<sno> Hacked up the ass?
<sno> :)
<Nosty> My mail comes through just fine.
<Troll> your mail isn't on pop or smtp .azstarnet.com is it?
<Nosty> No.
<Troll> checking mail isn't the problem anyway
<Troll> its sending
<Nosty> I'm completely a pine person, except when sending out attachments.
<Troll> it took like 30 seconds to send a no content body message
<Nosty> Or if I take my powerbook with me.  I compose using Eudora and queue up the messages.
* sno has found courses he could sit in on from 10AM right up until 4PM.
<sno> Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
<Nosty> You are going to sit in on courses?
<sno> The plural form of the word being the key.
<sno> They're all lecture sized. They'll never notice me.
<Nosty> No they won't.
<sno> I don't get to get any assignments graded or take any tests, but I can glean a lot from being in the course.
<Nosty> That can be a plus actually.
<Nosty> I don't mind reading the text, but I hate tests, particularly multiple choice.
<sno> Probably not with computer courses.
<sno> My access to assignments might be contigent upon my having some kind of University account, in which case, I have a problem.
<sno> If I want to do them for my own benefit, which I'm sure I would.
<Nosty> What ones are you looking at?
* Troll is going to bed
<sno> An accelerated version of two introductory programming courses, because it's in Java, a course in Unix tools, makefiles, debuggers and so on, a course on object-oriented design, and a data structures course, particularly the things they'll be covering near the end of the semester.
<sno> That is to say, 227, 318, 330, and 342. 422, concurrent programming, and 425, networks, look cool as well, but may not be small enough for me to sneak into.
<Nosty> 400s rarely are.
<sno> Which is depressing because those are the ones I most want to take.
<Mr_Cooger> Does anyone know if the Performa 6300CD had any NuBus or PCI slots? 
<sno> I'm sure it had at least one of one of them.
<Nosty> Sno, would you like to do bagels or something some afternoon?
<sno> Probably NuBus.
<sno> Nostalgia - Sure. 
<Mr_Cooger> Apple seems to disagree. 
<Nosty> Ask me some afternoon Sno.
<sno> I thought you were asking me.
<Nosty> Well I am.
<sno> So you're asking me to ask you.
<Nosty> However, since you are looking at sitting in on classes, I'm wondering what afternoon you'll have.
<sno> They're almost all Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and were it not for the fact that I'd have to drive Nick or Adam in, I could do them all.
<sno> And, god, I could do them all.
<sno> Maybe some kindly professor will notice that I understand all this stuff, but don't ever turn in any assignments, discover that I'm not supposed to be there, confront me about it, hear my sob story about financial aid, and help me out somehow.
<sno> And maybe I'll win the lottery.
<Nosty> Sno, tomorrow or tuesday.  Pick one.
<sno> What time?
<Nosty> @ish?
<Nosty> errr 2ish?
<sno> It would need to be a lot later than that.
<sno> I have to drive Nick in at 2 and the courses I'm looking at run until four.
<Nosty> Ahhh.
<Nosty> 5?
<Nosty> Although that is getting around dinner.
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<sno> Fusk.
<sno> Maybe Tuesday would be better then.
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<Nosty> You pick Sno.
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<Spht> _W--d_ I'm a lame ass.
<Nosty> Hey Wood.
<Nosty> Used panties is a category in yahoo under sex apparel.
<Mr_Cooger> I had no idea panties were so expensive. 
<Nosty> Cooger, they aren't really.
<Nosty> They are around 4-5 bux a piece.
<Mr_Cooger> Then why is there a used panty market? 
<Nosty> Cooger, they aren't for women.
<Nosty> They are intended for men to buy.
<Mr_Cooger> Oh. 
<Mr_Cooger> Men are sick. 
<Nosty> Cooger, yes I know.
<Nosty> Why is it in some places in this country you can be arrested for impersonating the opposite sex?
<Mr_Cooger> To give people a legal reason to gaybash. 
<Mr_Cooger> Just like anti-sodomy laws. 
<Nosty> Hey Cooger, www.whacks.com
<Mr_Cooger> If this is a corpse, I'm gonna be really upset. 
<Nosty> No, it isn't.
<Mr_Cooger> Ooooh, super-hero outfits! 
<Nosty> Aren't they neat?
<Nosty> I'm thinking of something of rubber.
<Nosty> I think a bra for starters.
<Mr_Cooger> Mmmmm....Jennifer Connelly. 
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<Nosty> Hahahaa.
<Nosty> THis has got to be a joke http://wwwwis.com/manhood/
<Nosty> Those whacky canadians.
<Nosty> They are responsible for this.
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<Shebob> gee, kind of quiet.
<Shebob> Where is everyone?
<Shebob> It is only 2:26 am ....
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<Squeaky> Big split
* Squeaky only just survived it
<Nosty> Anybody check out my manhood url?
<Shebob> But we are together and that is important. :)
<Squeaky> Yes indeedy
<Nosty> I laughed.  It's amazing what will sell.
<Squeaky> I don't think we need to know about your manhood
<Squeaky> Sorry, That URL does not exist on this server!
<Squeaky> Please check over the spelling to make sure it's not a typo.
<Squeaky> ©êºp¡I¦øªA¾¹¤W¨Ã¨S¦³±z¯Á¨úªºURL¡I 
<Squeaky> ½ÐÀˬd±zªºURL¬O§_¦³¥´¦r¿ù»~... 
<Squeaky> Hrm, weird.  I wonder what that last bit is supposed to mean
<Squeaky> Ah ha, it's looks like Japanese if you change the page encodings
<Squeaky> OK, so I missed a w out of the URL.  But http://wwwwis.com/manhood doesn't work for me
<Squeaky> Shebob, if you need volunteers for Excalibur, there's a whole host of 'em lined up at the Volunteers page
<Shebob> I noticed that. 
<Shebob> However, everything is in Bill's hands and he doesn't seem to be doing anything.
<Squeaky> I'm going to announce on the Marathon Central news that Excalibur is dead.
<Squeaky> and get everyone to direct comments to Bill
<Shebob> I am not sure that would be a good idea.
<Squeaky> Arrgghh
<Squeaky> woosh, that made my heart rush
* Squeaky just electrocuted himself
<Squeaky> I think I need to stop fiddling with this power supply and buy a new one
* Shebob thinks that would be a good idea
<Squeaky> 240v too.  None of this nancy boy 110v stuff
<Shebob> Zap!
<Squeaky> Well, my hand flew off pretty damn quick
<Squeaky> Hmm, that side of it should have only been 24v.  Must be a short somewhere
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<Shebob> you sure can spend a lot of time messsing around with web pages.
<Balin> mmm
<Balin> yeah
<Squeaky> Yep.
<Balin> damnit. 8 hhours a uni a day is not enough
<Shebob> and I haven't even messed with that cool mouse over thing,
* Squeaky saw Shebobs page in the recent section at Mara Central
<Squeaky> except, when you go to the page, it still says updated July 24th
<Squeaky> 'secret updates' must be happening
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<Shebob> yes, the secrets are out there.
<Shebob> when the web server crashed, some updates I had done were gone. 
<Shebob> have made some changes .... will change the date on the main texture page now.
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<Shebob> I should get that stuff into the search engines. The texture pages that is.
<Shebob> Someone may as well use the stuff.
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<Spht> _Tartarus_ I am fueled by filth and fury.
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<Shebob> Ok, anyone around?
<Shebob> My main page is at 
<Shebob> http://members.home.net:80/shebob/
<Shebob> There is a copy of it -- well sort of at
<Shebob> http://members.home.net:80/ceridwen/root/
<Shebob> Is the second one a better idea.
<Shebob> I mean they both need a lot of work, but I was wondering if the flat web color background was a better idea?
<Shebob> Make the images feather into that color rather than trying to match the pattern of the background gif?
<Shebob> Oh well, I am not sure anyone is here listening to me anyway.
<Shebob> Maybe I am here all by myself?
<Shebob> Well, if anyone should feel inspired to look at these pages and has an opinion, my email address is on the pages.
<Shebob> Except my email server is now down. Web pages the first part of the week, Email now. 
<Shebob> But I would get it sooner or later. Well most likely morning.
<Shebob> They usually fix the email server by morning.
<Shebob> If this wasn't so fast I would find another isp, but this company owns the cable wiring for the city so they get to give out cable modem access and so I am stuck with them,
<Shebob> .
* Squeaky is back. what's up?  o/~
<Shebob> I was rambling
<Squeaky> So I see
<Shebob> heh
<Shebob> heh heh heh heh heh
<Squeaky> Damn, I go to lunch and my ac adapter stops working again
<Squeaky> so now the powerbook battery is dead
<Shebob> plain talk said ack adapter. very um ... apt
<Shebob> well, now there is something different in http://members.home.net:80/shebob/
<Shebob> http://members.home.net:80/shebob/
<Shebob> maybe that is more like it
<Shebob> I need to go to sleep now.
<Shebob> Good morning
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*** Signoff: RanmaZ (Idle time limit exceeded)
* McP looks around.
<Kritter> McP!
<McP> Yo!
<Kritter> how is you you phat happenin d0de
<McP> uh, I'm ok, l33t gh3770 d00d
<Kritter> wick
* Kritter sings the powerbook day song.
<Squeaky> Damn you.
<Kritter> why?
* Kritter isn't getting a 3400.
* Squeaky 's powerbook is currently useless
<Squeaky> ..almost useless
* Kritter doesn't expect his unit will be useless.
<Squeaky> So, what are you getting?
<Balin> i must have a spawn suit
<Squeaky> And are they giving you a spare ac adapter?
<McP> 3 day weekend!!!!
<McP> For us Yanks, anyway.
* Kritter could get an ac adapter within a day if he needed to.
<Kritter> an us Canucks.
* Ap sighs as an x2 user tries to connect to K56 modems.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Kritter> S 3
<Kritter> arghe4
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<Spht> _Bovino_ Bovino, World's top Mfr. of cat 4.9 cables!
<Bovino> I'm goiing to kill that mother fucker
<Balin> woah
<Balin> macos looks funky with quakes colour pallete
<Balin> the greys have become blues
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<McP> Uh, Squeaky?
<McP> Squeakykins?
<McP> Italy sucks.  Their dubbing actors are on strike.
<Bovino> kl;dasjfs
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<Spht> _Pfhormerl_ Blind faith is the crutch of fools.
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all...
<Ap> hmmm
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Bovino> Hey hacker
<Wood> Stats?
<Wood> !sbeef Wood
<Bovino> !sbeef vaca
<Bovino> ?
<Wood> !sbeef bovino
<Bovino> !sbeef bovino
<Bovino> I'm confuses
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<Wood> !beef Bovino
<Wood> hmm
<Spht> (__) BBBBBB--EEEEEEE-EEEEEEE-FFFFFFF   
<Spht> /oo\_BB---BB-EE------EE------FF-----\  
<Spht> \  /~BBBBBB--EEEEEE--EEEEEE--FFFFF-- _ 
<Wood> !sbeef w--d
<Spht>  oo  BB---BB-EE------EE------FF----- _ 
<Spht>      BBBBBB--EEEEEEE-EEEEEEE-FF----- _ 
<Spht>        _ _                       _ _   
<Wood> !beef w--d
<Spht>        _ _                       _ _   
<Spht> (__) BBBBBB--EEEEEEE-EEEEEEE-FFFFFFF   
<Spht> /oo\_BB---BB-EE------EE------FF-----\  
<Spht> \  /~BBBBBB--EEEEEE--EEEEEE--FFFFF-- _ 
<Spht>  oo  BB---BB-EE------EE------FF----- _ 
<Spht>      BBBBBB--EEEEEEE-EEEEEEE-FF----- _ 
<Spht>        _ _                       _ _   
<Spht>        _ _                       _ _   
<Bovino> ahhh
<SamS> That looks really good.  I'm impressed.
<Bovino> !beef vaca
<Bovino> !beef bovino
<Bovino> He doesn't do it for me
<SamS> Looks like a she, actualy.
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<Bovino> what the hell are you talking about?
<SamS> The beef
<Bovino> I'm talking about spht
<Bovino> :)
<SamS> me too
<Bovino> Nah Spht is masculine ;)
<Spht> Hey baby
<McP> Wodo!
<Wood> McP!
* Spht Stinks up the room
* Spht wonders where the stats are...
*** Topic change on #marathon by Bovino: _04-Sep:09:40_ * Spht wonders where the stats are...
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<Wood> I am making a high speed burn up to New Hampshire tonight.
<McP> I'll be making a high speed burn in my bong.
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<McP> Vrrroom!
<Wood> Get the new Premiere.
<Wood> They talk about what they use for props on movies that involve drugs.
<Wood> Interesting.
<Wood> And there's a DFW article and the Adult Video News Awards show.
<bauddie> sno: u here now?
<Wood> Hey McP I have an email for you.
<Wood> You have to keep it confidential though.
<Wood> It contains "executive fun"
<Bovino> er
<McP> Confidential is my middle name or something.
<Wood> Okay let me know when you get it.
<McP> A phone with buttons?  Wow, you really know how to stick it to the man.
<Wood> No, the start of the message, Paul says
<Wood> "Your requirements are reasonable and appropriate"
<Wood> Now scroll down and read our list.
<Wood> Did you get to the > 4 recliners and a built in 65 inch wall mounted video display yet?
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<Wood> jk!
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<Spht> _TrollWork_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Troll> Hey everyone, this is a remote management console test.
<Troll> heh kick ass.
* Troll wanders off.
<jkowall> hi wodo
<Wood> jk what are you doing for labor day?
<Wood> Oh, my new apt is huuge
<Wood> you have to come to the beerbeque
* jkowall is away. brb _SZon_
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<ri0tWRK> where can i find kewl marathon-maps???
<ri0tWRK> i mean, really kewl maps
<ri0tWRK> nowhere?
<Wood> Nope.
<Wood> Er, try www.marathon.org
<ri0tWRK> ah
<ri0tWRK> you know a very kewl map for two-player-network-game???
<Wood> Hmmm...
<Wood> Two player.
<Wood> Mike Neylon did a bunch of cool ones.
<Wood> Light and Dark Side of the Moon is neat
<Wood> WWW
<ri0tWRK> light...is from Mike?
<Wood> Yeah I think so.
<Troll> oh come on
<Troll> the person who needs to do my training isn't here
<Troll> what a crock
* Troll yawns and plays some mp3
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<McP> Jesus, work is sucking ass lately.
<Troll> why?
<Wood> Come join INS.
<Wood> Work at home.
<Troll> heh
<Wood> Or did the secretary take the day off?
<Troll> welllll .... welcome to my mind
* Troll wanders off to kiss system's people's asses
<Wood> I actually took that phrase literally the first time I showed up at work.
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<McP> Users hate the way something works, so we change it, then other users hate the new way, so we give them an option to do it either way, then still other users complain about having to choose, etc etc etc
<Wood> Sounds like you need a good project management process
<McP> Yes, yes we do.
<McP> The 'two programmers in a garage' scenario is sounding mighty fine right now.
<McP> Cuz the garage is a cool place to smoke out.
<Wood> Why are you even listening to user feedback?
<Wood> There's your problem right there.
<McP> Because of the Developer's Hypocratic Oath
<sno> The developer's oath is, "It's a feature."
<McP> Which is completely unrelated to the #Marathon Sacred Trust
<Wood> So, you have a licence to be hypocrites.
<Wood> sno do you have the Mac QuickCam CD?
<sno> Nope.
<Wood> Must... find... bizarre... shareware app..
<Wood> what about tomato?
<Wood> Who bought my quickcam? Unya?
<sno> Other developer's oaths include, "Fuck! Shit! Damn! Piss! Cuntmonkey! What do you mean it doesn't work? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh God, I'm so stupid!"
<McP> !stock INSS
<McP> <Spht> -1 5/16
<sno> heheh
<Troll> ahah cool
<Wood> !stock INSS
<Troll> Hey everyone, this is a remote management console test.
<Troll> muahahaha
<Troll> TrollScript is werkin' pretty sweet.
<sno> Is it now...
<sno> Lesbians!
<Wood> Can you remotely log out of the channel?
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<Troll> don't have that yet sno
<sno> Yeah, it's called ping -f....
<Troll> wodo, will
<Troll> heh
<Troll> Hey everyone, this is a remote management console test.
<Troll> is all I have
<sno> Actually, yes you can remotely log out.
<Troll> heheheh
<Wood> Test it please.
<Troll> see, i have total remote control of my client.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> 666
<Troll> part the channel?
<Troll> sno.  no.
<Troll> Oh, you're no fun.
<Troll> I was even typing like you.
* sno clicks Troll's monitor back off and returns to his crackwhore computer.
*** Topic change on #marathon by Wood: Stats? 
<Wood> sno, how's New Hampshire treating you?
<sno> I'mnot in New Hampshire.
<sno> I'm in Tucson, with Adam and Nick.
<sno> Speaking of which, I need to get in the shower.
<Wood> What is going on?
<sno> Nothing.
<sno> I'm sitting on the futon.
<Wood> And who has that QuickCam CD?
<Wood> Do you live there?
<sno> I sure don't.
<sno> I do.
<sno> That is, I don't have the QuickCam CD and yes, I live here.
<sno> It's turning me into quite the tan little beastie.
<Wood> You're living with Unya and who else?
<Wood> I can't believe #marathoners are moving in with eachother
<sno> I'd hoped to attend the U of A this fall, but financial aid fell through in the extreme, so now I'm trying to get employed here somewhere and be able to afford school next year as an in-state student.
<sno> Troll.
<Wood> I thought Troll was in NH
<sno> He was.
<sno> Hm.
<sno> I'm going to get offline and talk to the admissions people.
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<_KaRnAgE_> grrr
<_KaRnAgE_> anyone know when TI2 will be out?
<Wood> Two weeks.
<_KaRnAgE_> hmm
<_KaRnAgE_> this channel is dead (?)
* Wood is awake.
* _KaRnAgE_ fixes that problem
* _KaRnAgE_ takes out his alien gun on Nardy boom boom physics
<_KaRnAgE_> jeez, this clannel is dead
<Wood> Shh!
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<McP> I'd let Wodo move in with me, but I'd have to kick his gf out on her ass.
<Wood> Where would you get your tampons then?
<McP> Why did Becky get kicked out that one time?
<Wood> Because my other roommate (Libby) had a chick-fight with her.
<Wood> I don't pretend to understand the subtleties of their differences.
<Wood> There was some perceived dis, or something.
<McP> Wasn't it about not washing one's own dishes or some shit?
<Wood> Right, it was completely ridiculous.
<Wood> Becky left a cardboard box in the living room.
<Wood> Becky didn't wash enough dishes.
<_KaRnAgE_> heh
<Wood> It was all BS.
<_KaRnAgE_> mcp, u do with with wodo's ass?
<Wood> Libby had a major spaz attack, and threw her out.
<McP> Cuz I've been in that kitchen.
<McP> There were dishes-o-plenty in a dirty state.
<Wood> Yeah, it was a pit after Becky left.
<Wood> Most of the dishes she cited were Tims.
<Wood> She complained about her bf as an excuse to throw Becky out.
<Wood> The main thing was that she moved her cat off-site while Becky was there.
<Wood> That's probably what did it.
<Wood> Check conflicts are like .dll or driver conflicts.
<Wood> Things don't get better until you remove one of them, and you don't know exactly what caused it.
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<McP> _Check_Chick  ?
<McP> God fucking damn it!  Where are the freakin' stats!?!!
<Wood> Right, _Check_Chick
<Wood> Although Becky is more direct than most chicks.
<Wood> I like the lack of passive-aggressiveness
<Wood> I dislike the lack of sex.
<Wood> And the lack of fuckin' stats!
<McP> I need some of that stats flavor.
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<McP> Football starts Sunday!  May the Pats' losing record begin!
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<Spht> _Wodo_ I'm a lame ass.
<Spht> _Tartarus_ I am fueled by filth and fury.
<Wood> I finally listened to the maddox.mp3
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<Spht> _Pfhormerl_ Blind faith is the crutch of fools.
<McP> Did you get the Barabay one?
<Wood> No!
<Wood> Kewl
<McP> Its in personals.mp3
<Wood> I need to get cable so I can record the Card Guys again
<Wood> URL me again
<McP> http://www.hostile.net/~mcp/mp3/nan/
<Wood> Kewlio
<Wood> bbiam, gotta sort through my POT
<Wood> McP you have to check out the Rustic Overtones
<Wood> Their new album drips fonk-punk-skunk-trunk-ska
<Wood> -billy.
* jkowall is away. smoke _SZon_
<Wood> Actually, I should just mp3 it, right?
<Wood> You need to send me the .wav recorder you use.
<McP> You can use, like, shareware or something.
<McP> And new music automatically sucks.
<Wood> But they're on an indie label.
<Wood> And they're from Maine.
<McP> My sister was born in Maine.  She sucks.
<Wood> In that case, gimmie her phone number.
<Wood> Har har.
* McP slaps his knee.
<Kritter> this powerbook roxors hard.
<Wood> !stock INSS
<Tartarus> !beat Wodo
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<Wood> !sbeef Tartarus
<Wood> I am going to have to kick Squeaky's ass.
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<Wood> This lack of stats is approaching critical mass.
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<Wood> Unya do you own a quickcam?
<Unya> Yes.  You sold me one.
<Wood> Ah ha!
<Wood> It was you!
<jkowall> haha
<Wood> Did I include a QuickCam CD in there?
<Unya> Not that I remember.
<Wood> Crap.
<Unya> I had a hell of a time finding drivers.
<Wood> I have it somewhere...
<Wood> Do you have any QuickCam shareware apps?
<Wood> There's one specific one I'm trying to find.
<Wood> AND YOU PEOPLE ARE NO HELP!
<Tartarus> neat, linux typer toturial that does dvorka
<Kritter> Pete's Player
<Kritter> download it from a shareware site and check.
<Kritter> and shut the fuck up until you do.
<Wood> That just plays QuickTimes, I believe.
<Wood> Besides, I want to cry like a baby until someone downloads it, tests it, and installs it on my machine.
<McP> Wodo: Did you leave the CD at my pad?
<Wood> Yes.
<Wood> Send it to me.
<jkowall> he left it in your anal cavity
<jkowall> just image it and upload the image
<McP> An image of my anal cavity?  I don't think so.
<McP> You perv.
<jkowall> I mean the cd douche boy
<McP> I don't think I have it.
<McP> You left some CD, but it wasn't that one.
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<Wood> What did I leave?
<McP> Some CD.
<McP> I already said that.
<McP> It was some shareware compilation, I believe.
<Wood> A mac one?
<McP> yep
<Wood> Wait a second...
<McP> When you first visited.
<McP> I think.
<Wood> Do you remember we were trying to hook up the QC to your Mac...
<McP> Yep.
<Wood> We had to read the drivers off your pc and upload them to the internet.
<McP> We were successful.
<Wood> I think we uploaded the drivers... off of...
<Wood> MY QUICKCAM CD!
<Wood> You bastard!
<McP> No, I thought you got some geek to give them to us.
<Wood> Well, we tried to read the CD off of your pc CD-Rom
<Wood> and that didn't work.
<Wood> Then we tried to get jk to .sit them
<Wood> But he wasn't home
<McP> The mac has a CDROM that works.
<Wood> But that was the last time I saw the QC CD
<Wood> Oh, right, I had them on floppy.
<McP> See?  You whore!
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<Wood> Did it have a CDROM when I was there the first time.
<Wood> Coog!
<McP> Yep.
<Mr_Cooger> I need some help with some Mac hardware issues. 
<Wood> No problem.
<jkowall> I need some help with exchange 5.5 issues
<Mr_Cooger> I have this friend...
<McP> When does the new Donnie & Marie start?
<Mr_Cooger> Who has a Performa 6300. Which has no Nubus slots or PCI slots, but it has something Apple on their page ccalls a "LC" slot. 
<Mr_Cooger> Now, this computer needs an Ethernet adapter, as it has no built in Ethernet. The only Ethernet adapters I can find that might work say "LC PDS". Is that the same thing? 
<Wood> Yup.
<Wood> I have one of those adaptors in my 636
<Wood> It's the same dealie as the 6300
<Mr_Cooger> Do you happen to know the name of the adapter you have? 
<Wood> It's the low-end modem/ethernet slot intro'd in the Mac LC
<Wood> It's from Dayna Communications. I stole it off work.
<Wood> I almost bought a IIsi and monitor for $29 the other day.
<Wood> But it had no ethernet card, and I don't work at "Hub Stealing Central" anymore.
<Mr_Cooger> So an LC slot and an LC PDS slot are one and the same. 
<Wood> Right.
<Wood> You can stuff an ethernet card or modem card in there.
<Wood> Or Token Ring.
<Wood> Coog, do you have a Mac QuickCam CD?
<Mr_Cooger> Nopej.
<McP> !stock INSS
<McP> <Spht> -2 9/16
<McP> dbarabe@yam:666> Hail Satan!!!!
<McP> Wood: Can't I just get the drivers off my smokin' IIci and send them to you?
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> a !stock scrupt wouldnt be too too hard i'd imagine
<Kritter> he doesn't want the drivers he wants a quicktime player, and won't download petes
<Wood> No, there's a program that grabs video input and puts it in a window.
<Tartarus> Hey McBitch, op spht. :)
* jkowall is away. werk _SZon_
<Mr_Cooger> Thanks for the help, Wood. 
<Wood> Not QuickTime movies, Video Input from a Video Card or QuickCam.
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<Wood> But I'll grab Pete's Player anyway
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<McP> I'll look for the CD at my pad "soon".
<McP> Did you know that the Italian dubbing actors are on strike?
<Wood> Maybe that's why Squeaky can't get the stats done.
<Wood> He's a dubbing scab.
<McP> uh, maybe, I guess
<McP> Wood: Come to Cali for MWSF in January.
<Wood> Squeaky's going, right?
<McP> Yep.
<Wood> If we have no stats by then, I'll be there to kick his ass.
<Wood> I think I'll be in school then, so probably not.
<McP> Even if we do get this month's stats, by the time MW starts, we won't have the December stats yet.
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<Wood> McP do you still have Marathon (the book)
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<McP> yep
<McP> Its right next to your CD...er, no its not.
<Wood> So the box you're shipping out tomorrow will contain Marathon, Infinite Jest, and that CD.
<McP> But I haven't read Marathon yet.
<Wood> So the box you're shipping out tomorrow will contain Infinite Jest and that CD.
<McP> But I don't think I have the CD.
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<Wood> So the box you're shipping out tomorrow will contain Infinite Jest.
<McP> I was just going to stick the postage on the front cover.  No box necessary.
<Wood> I just ordered the hard cover IJ for $4.95 at amazon.com
<McP> You did?
<Wood> So you don't have to worry about it.
<McP> Why did you do that?
<Wood> Cause it's 4.95 and I was thinking about reading it again.
<Wood> And my other copy is missing.
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<McP> God damn you suck, Neon.
<Tartarus> heh heh heh
<Tartarus> I really don't think its fair to characterize the new members of this lyst as receiving a hazing; its more like a blood bath.
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<Wood> Speak of the devil.
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<Tartarus> Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan Satan.
<Wood> I hate sarcastic people.
<Wood> Let me be the first to say:
<Wood> http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/
<Wood> bbl
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<Brymen> Guess who's beta testing myth II?:)
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* jkowall is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
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* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
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<Tartarus> ye gods!
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<Tartarus> textmode quake
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<Tartarus> tried textmode quake yet nosty?
<Nosty> No, is it fun?
<Tartarus> yes, but it's not playable.
<Nosty> Tart, are you a cat lover?
<Tartarus> I like cats more then dogs, as pets..
<Nosty> I wanted to know how much you knew about them.
<Nosty> Do they get bordatella vaccines?
<Tartarus> No clue.
<Tartarus> The cats became my brother and sisters a while back.
<Nosty> My dog is going to have to have hers soon.  The way I buy it comes in a 5 pack.  It lasts like 24 hours.  I have to give it to 5 animals in 24 hours.
<Nosty> So I'll give it to Reina, her bf, and my inlaws two dogs.
<Nosty> I still need another animal.
<Nosty> Well, I don't need one.  It's cost effective if I just give it to two animals.
<Nosty> But I'd give it to Unya's cat too.
<Nosty> People tend to spook if you just show up on their door and say, "Hey want your dog vaccinated?"
<Tartarus> heh
<Nosty> For all they know, you are giving the dog crack.
<Nosty> I suppose I should curse myself.  I tend to buy the better ones that can't be stored.
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<Tartarus> just how much is it anyways?
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<Nosty> $20 for 5 doses.
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<Nosty> The vet charges me like $11 besides the office visit.
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<Nosty> It appears that cats get the bordetella vaccine as well.
<Nosty> According to my kennel anyway.
<Tartarus> heh, y2k countdown WM app
<Nosty> This state is really far too cranky on syringes.
<Nosty> Antibiotics too.
<Nosty> Like you can't get syringes at the drug store without a perscription.
<Nosty> Needle exchange programs are rare.
<Nosty> Even the feed stores have a bitch of a time getting syringes.
<Nosty> They can't sell many of the antibiotics, and basically recommend Mexico.
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> "Everything is legal in mexico, it's the american way."
<Nosty> Basically I've investigated allergy shots for the dog.
<Nosty> Which sometimes I would probably have to give because we travel and such.
<Nosty> I'm just lucky my vet can be liberal at times and makes exceptions for me.
<Nosty> I need to make some changes to my links page.
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<sno> The best part of waking up, is not finding your testicles in a cup on the nightstand.
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* sno remembers an old coffee commercial and perverts it for his own twisted designs.
* sno shuffles uselessly around the phone book.
<sno> Hm.
<sno> Neat.
<sno> Half an hour. Tomorrow. 2PM.
<Nosty> What's up Sno?
<sno> Doug rekindled my interest in the Navy.
<Nosty> Really?
* Nosty blinks.
<Nosty> They do have a good tuition fund.
<sno> It's something I've looked at before, but turned away from it because at the time, I was looking at schools like CMU, and $50,000 wouldn't have covered my education there.
<Tartarus> Doug Qaz Doug?
<Tartarus> or some az nut. :)
<sno> It also drains four years out of my life without putting my right into what I want to be doing, which is coding. But I could get close. In any case, there's no reason not to take the test and just see where I could place, and more importantly, it gets me off of my ass quite immediately should I go in for it.
<sno> Yeah, Qaz, he's in the Navy cryptography program. Waiting for, I think, top-secret level clearance before he can start doing anything.
<Tartarus> neat
<sno> Yeah. Like I said though, it's something I looked at back in fall of 97, but I didn't go for it at the time because my desires were a bit different.
<Tartarus> i remember.
<sno> Damnit. Get back to your desk!
<sno> I really wanted to get in touch with June today.
<sno> I'm going to ask them if they would be willing/interested in interviewing with me again for the purpose of addressing the specific concerns they have with hiring me.
<Tartarus> btw, found a unix typist helper that knows dvorak.
<sno> Cool. Using it?
<sno> My biggest Unix-Dvorak challenge is typing ls -l or ls -ls since it's all done with right pinky.
<Tartarus> more fun to play w/ making the C++ version work w/ egcs right now :)
<Troll> heh
* Tartarus is away, food _em/bx_ _l/on_ 
<Troll> the AS/400 is ok
<Troll> text mode database, its like "ok, it sucks, but its kinda cool"
<sno> Anyway, the Navy, should it be interesting enough to warrant further investigation will get me off and doing something bloody instantly. Which is really appealing right now.
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<sno> Troll, when I was at Dartmouth I got to work with this old Curses-based Oracle database. It had the greatest interface known to man.
<Troll> heh
<Al1i> hey guys
<Troll> everyone else hates it, I think it's cool
<sno> It had menus that would pop up, and you could just start typing keys and it would eliminate, real-time, choices from the list that didn't match what you had typed.
<Troll> yeah, like windows 9x help
<Troll> I wrote something like that for GDT
<Troll> not easy, but the result is awesome
<sno> Probably, except that I doubt Windows help eliminates the choices from the list as you type.
<Troll> yes it does
<Troll> it's really cool
<sno> Hm. Cool.
<Troll> ok, back to training :)
<sno> I wish pull down menus in applications would do it.
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> bbol
<sno> Have fun.
<sno> Damn.
<Nosty> I always know how to shut the channel up.
<Nosty> Ack.
<Nosty> Wrong channel :)
<Unya> Hey Adam.
<Unya> Argh.
<Tartarus> you shut us up too nosty.
<Tartarus> or get us screaming. :)
<Nosty> I know Tart.
<Nosty> I was just emptying out my one account and found some interesting stuff in it.
<Nosty> Various scans, medical diagrams, etc.
<Tartarus> what kinda account is it? :P
<Tartarus> i just keep src and such on mine. :)
<Nosty> Oh, any of my shell accounts tend to accumulate stuff.
<Tartarus> but medical diagrams?
<Nosty> Yes Tart.
<Tartarus> Ok.. of what?
<Nosty> You should know better than to ask such questions by now.
<Nosty> I would think that you would be smarter than that.
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<Tartarus> Erm, yes I should.
<Spht> _SuperSpy_ Now that I'm here, kiss your titties goodbye!
<Unya> Hello Spy.
<SuperSpy> yo!
<Tartarus> But I figured it might be the 1 in 100 chance of something normal.
<Tartarus> hey SS.
<SuperSpy> what's up
<Tartarus> not much.
<SuperSpy> how is the job unya
<Nosty> No chance of anything normal.
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<SuperSpy> argh!
<Nosty> However, Weenie boi now has Nights in White Satin in the Moody Blues dir on Silver.
<Tartarus> I'll keep that in mind now.
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<Spht> _appy-_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
<Nosty> Why can't regular users mkdirs in the mp3 dir?
<Ap> feature.
<SuperSpy> heh
<Nosty> Oh, does the Cure dir need some additions.
<Nosty> So does the DM one.
<Nosty> And it's Cyndi Lauper, not Cindy.
<Tartarus> heh
<Nosty> Time to email the weenie boi.
<Tartarus> Troll prolly did that, go beat him to death with a stale bagel.
<Nosty> Beat him with a paint roller.
<Unya> Roseann, Rob came to me yesterday to ask me about the mp3s on Silver.
<Unya> It was funny.
<Nosty> Oh?
<Unya> BTW, want to say "Monday" and call it a date?
<Unya> Or even sometime tomorrow possibly.
<Nosty> Oh, are you asking me out?  Wow.
<Unya> Well, I promised that I would, and I have been rude about not keeping it.
<Nosty> I think monday might be okay.  I think Nerd might be going into the office.
<Nosty> But lemme double check, okay?
<Unya> I had initially given Rob the account and told him about it so that he could access the machine in the case of administrative need.
<Unya> OK.  I'm on call Monday too, remember.
<Unya> Anyway, he forgot that he had it.  He's about our only user who has never logged in.
<Nosty> Yeah, I know.  Nerd just wanted to go in Monday and perhaps take off Friday and spend the weekend in Phx.
<Nosty> I know Unya.  It is because I told Rob about the mp3 on silver :)
<Unya> Yeah, he showed me your email.  It was kind of funny in that Rob, good-natured kidn of way.
<Nosty> He didn't know about the acct, and I swore he had one when we were talking about mp3s.  Then I checked and he did have one.
<Unya> Some day I really do aspire to go to Phoenix with you.
<Unya> He wouldn't have been able to access the mp3s up until today though.
<Nosty> He's really not one to freak as long as it's done responsibly.
<Unya> No, I know.
<Unya> I wasn't worried.  It was tres funny though.
<Unya> He was pleased when he learned that I had to explicitly add him for access to it.
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<Nosty> Unya, should I send this letter to weenie boi, or did you just fix what I spewed about?
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<Unya> I don't know what you spewed about.
<sno> Did you mention that it was sno's design? :)
* sno is going to get employed by TNI/Starnet if he has to kill a support weenie to make room.
<Unya> I'm on wormhole, the horrid bitch of a machine.
<Unya> Your design of what?  Security?
<sno> The mp3 access.
<sno> Maybe it wasn't. 
<Brymen> _:_ Current global users:  39097  Max: 39516
* sno shrugs.
<Unya> The more people at StarNet perceive the things like mp3 access as being controlled by someone at StarNet currently, the more comfortable they will be about looking the other way.
<Unya> Because they can fire me if something goes heinously wrong.
<Unya> Roseann, what did you spew about/
<Nosty> Oh, just some mp3 stuff.
<sno> Doh.
<sno> Oh well.
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<Nosty> I emailed weenie boi.  Insignificant stuff.
<Unya> Ok.
<Nosty> I'm sure he'll take care of it.
<Unya> Then I will not trouble my mighty self with it.
<Tartarus> heh
<Nosty> Where will we go Monday, Unya?  
<Unya> I will return to creating planets and populating them with primitive life forms.
<Nosty> Or what time areyou looking at?
<Unya> The same place we went last Monday, if you don't suggest something.
<Nosty> Playing Sim Planet?
<Nosty> You mean lunch and ECity?
<Unya> No, referring to myself as a deity simply to annoy people.
<Ap> 'life forms / you tiny little life forms / oooh precious little life forms / where are you?'
<sno> Unya, have you got my Momentary Lapse of Reason and Division Bell CDs?
<Brymen> heh
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<Unya> I don't think so.
<sno> Fuck.
<Nosty> Hrm.
<Unya> But I'm at TNI, so I wouldn't know.
<Unya> Didn't you put them back in the CD rack yourself last time we took them out (Home Depot)
<Brymen> Pink Floyd albums are unneccessarily expensive.
<sno> The CDs aren't in there.
<Nosty> Unya, you have yet to go to 4th ave with me.  We could do that.
<Nosty> I love looking at kooky stuff.
<Al1i> hey Unya, ever heard anything about the Netgear RT328 ISDN Router from baynetworks?
<Ap> that's because they do things like put blinking lights in the expensive cardboard boxes they come in.
<Unya> I went there, but to eat.
<Ap> bay == evil.
<Brymen> even for just the jewel boxes
<Nosty> They have the kookiest stores.
* sno wanders off to play with a bottle of nasty looking pills and a razor blade.
<Unya> Ali, yes, I heard it was produced by a company owned by Bay Networks.
<Nosty> God has yet to hear my prayers to make my stove die.
<Al1i> thanks unya :)
<Unya> Which means a) Bay bought it and left it alone or b) Bay bought it and fucked it up so that it operates better with the rest of their crap.
<Nosty> Because when it does die, I can get an antique stove from the place on 4th.
<Tartarus> heh
<Unya> That would look so stupid in your kitchen that my mammalian brain cannot conjure an image.
<Al1i> sounds like fun... In comp.dcom.isdn ppl seem to like it, no complains only a few incomatiblities with older firmware and portmasters
<Nosty> I don't care.  You have no idea how much I hate electric ranges.
<Nosty> Or when I have to play with Nerd's moms oven.
<Unya> Get gas.
<Brymen> damn modern technology!
<Nosty> You can't find gas ovens anymore.
<Nosty> When you do, they are pilotless.
<Unya> Where do you buy your crack?
<Nosty> I should be entitled to blow myself up if I wish.
<Unya> They have been cutting it with nitric acid.
<Tartarus> heh
<Tartarus> that could be fun nosty.
<sno> This cat is mental.
<Unya> Yeah, he is.
<Nosty> Pilot is good for drying herbs.
<Brymen> whats wrong with him?
<Brymen> whats his name, too?:)
<Unya> Mostly because he doesn't leave you alone while eating.
<Unya> Chairman Mao.
* Brymen falls over
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<Nosty> Oh Unya, do cats get bordetella vaccines?
<sno> He doesn't leave you alone while eating, or sleeping. And now he's running around chasing invisible bugs, and his own tail.
<Nosty> Because I'm going to give Reina a bordetella immunization soon, and I'll have one extra in the pack.
<sno> I have half a mind to pick up my network programming book and... make him sleep for a while.
<Nosty> You get 5 in a pack.  Reina's bf will get it and Nerd's parents two dogs.
<Nosty> Bunnies don't get vaccines.
<Brymen> you need to give him more attention
<Nosty> Or I can just immunize Troll against bordetella.
<Nosty> Sno, a bordetella vaccine will make him calm for the day.
* jkowall is away. gone _SZon_
<Nosty> Hey, cats can get chlamydia.
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<sno> Ugh.
<sno> This has been a very bad day.
<McP> Three day weekend!!
<Tartarus> Ah yes.
<Tartarus> THe three day weekend.
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<Brymen> Mailsmith is nice.
<Brymen> cool. My grandpa got his imac today
<Brymen> i guess ill be spending the evening setting it up for him
<Nosty> Hrm.  Vaca!
<Nosty> There is the 5th person.
<Nosty> I can give him the vaccine and he can immunize his dog.
<Nosty> Yay!
<Tartarus> Can't waste and valuable dog-vaccine now can ya.
<Nosty> It really is wasteful to just toss it.
<Brymen> Am i not supposed to have to switch the apple talk connection from printer to modem when i want to print and modem to printer when i want to use the modem?
<Tartarus> Yes.
<Tartarus> You shouldn't.
<Brymen> weird.
<Troll> Nosty: thanks for Nights in Satin!
* Troll turns it up in Nick's cubicle
<Unya> Hello.
<Unya> Adam.
<Troll> nick
<Troll> you at silver?
* Troll is on "lunch" break
<Unya> Really?
<Troll> yeah
<Unya> Want to go get something?
<Troll> AS/400 shit is easy as ass
<Unya> I just got some fries.
<Unya> But i'm still hungry.
<Troll> I'm set, tyler and I eat at this cool JP place
<Troll> I'm stuffed still
<Troll> I'll go with you if you want, though
<Unya> Oh.
<Unya> Well, hmm.
<Unya> You could come over here.
<Troll> BTW: I moved digitalspark.net's domain server over to telekanikian or whatever silver's all are
<Unya> OK.
<Troll> rather, they are in thr process of being moved, internic is taking thier time
<Nosty> Telekachina.
<Troll> ok, you at silver?
<Nosty> As in a Kachina doll.
<Unya> Let Matt know, and ask him if he can map the ftp., www., and such to silver, and nightfall to your home IP.
<Unya> Yeah.
<Unya> You have money/
<Troll> no, I don't
<Troll> I did
<Unya> Hmm.
<Unya> I need to eat.
<Troll> I'm having nightfall set to my home machine
<Troll> everything else to silver
<Troll> I'll be over in a min, we can decide then k?
<Unya> OK.
<Troll> gone
<Unya> Come to the annex.
<Troll> roger
<Nosty> Troll, have they stuffed you in a closet and beaten you with Matt's briefcase yet?
<Nosty> It's the Starnet hazing ritual.
<Unya> No, but he did dye his hair.
<Unya> Which seems to be a starnet thing.
<Nosty> I have yet to see blondie.
<Unya> Both he and Sno look great.
<Nosty> Sno said he didn't bleach his hair.
<Unya> With Sno, you'd never know it wasn't his natural color.  In fact, you might not really notice it.
<Unya> He didn't.
* Unya senses a ruined surprise.
<Nosty> I see Unya :)
<Unya> Anyway, Adam's hair looks really striking, yet good.  It's BRIGHT orange.
<Nosty> I knew it would be orange.
<Nosty> You have to put toner in it to make it whiter.
<Nosty> Adam has a very similar color to mine naturally.
<Unya> I'd say you're lighter.
<Unya> Adam is pretty damn close to black.
<Unya> Was
<Nosty> I tend to make mine lighter.
<sno> Mine feels like it's coming out.
<sno> I think I may not have left it in for long enough.
<sno> But I didn't know what to expect when I was doing it, so....
<Unya> It's still quite coppery.
<Unya> It's hard to gauge these things while seeing them gradually change.
<Unya> But I think most salon-style colorings are permanent.
<Unya> So they should not wash out.
<Nosty> They are permanent usually.
<sno> It looks like it is, to me.
<Stomp> Oh fusk.
<sno> Maybe next time I'll go for a more different shade.
<Nosty> What was used?
<sno> Revlon Color-Stay.
<Unya> Keep in mind that you are aclimating to seeing yourself with colored hair.
<Stomp> 114MB of a 120MB download.
<Nosty> Sno, I can't believe you dyed your hair.
<sno> I didn't.
<sno> I colored it.
<Unya> BTW, /tmp is CONSIDERABLY larger than it used to be.
<Nosty> Oh, I'm not sure about that stuff.
<Nosty> Same as dying.
<sno> Lightly.
<sno> Too lightly.
<Stomp> And someone fusking quit fetch.
<Stomp> God damnit.
<Unya> 256MB in /tmp.
<Stomp> And I'm lagged to hell.
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<Nosty> Dye/Color is the same.  
<Stomp> Fusk fusk fusk.
<Stomp> Stomp angry! Me crush mom!
<Nosty> I'm trying to decide what color I'm doing next.
<Nosty> It's too late in the summer to do anything neat.
<Unya> OK, lad's here, BBL.
<Nosty> I should take off to the pharmacy.
<Stomp> Just... Fusk.
* Nosty fingerbangs stomp.
<Nosty> Feel better?
<Stomp> Thank you.
<sno>  /eras
<Stomp> esc-e
<Stomp> (Maybe only with skuld)
<Stomp> Three days work, three day weekend. And i've already got a check.
<Stomp> What a first week.
<Brymen> What ar eyou doing?
<Stomp> Stripper.
<Stomp> Female.
<Brymen> shuttup
<Brymen> what are you doing
<Nosty> Whee.  Touch tone refills rick.
<Nosty> rock rather.
<Stomp> Sanitation technition.
<Brymen> i said shutup
<Brymen> what are you doing?
<Stomp> er, I think that's supposed to be a c.
<Stomp> Stud farm.
<Nosty> He's my fill in woman Bry.
<Stomp> Washboy.
<Brymen> youre all ass hoes
<Nosty> We can have lesbian sex together and turn you on.
<Nosty> We know you like watching.
<Stomp> I'll give you a hint: I use more lubrication in the laser printer cartridges than Lothy does on a handjob.
<Nosty> Fuser oil.   mmmm.  I find it's part of the new way to cook healthy.
<Stomp> Eh, any grease that conducts is fine by me.
<Nosty> I tend to use sewing machine oil on everything.
<Stomp> Electricity, not orchestras.
<Nosty> I had a tech tell me that it was actually good stuff to use.
<sno> rotfl
<sno> Nick, Adam, did you see the mail that just came in to abuse@teardrop.org?
<Nosty> I love abuse mail.
<Nosty> Can I read?
<sno> Hheheeheh
<Nosty> Looks like Sno will be lifting me up and telling me how bad I am next time I see him.
<sno> This guy is complaining that Arty took his Nick.
<sno> Nick, rather. But, you can't tell the difference since the word started the sentence this time, but the feeling was there.
<Stomp> Your long winded explaination more than makes up for the fact that the corrected word appeared at the beginning of the line, and was therefore capitalized.
<sno> This name is familar too.
<Nosty> You abusers!  The whole lot of you!
<Nosty> I'm going to complain to the irc opers.
<Stomp> I stole the nick of some nice gay man.
<sno> Well, I'm on the server in question.
<sno> It's not EFNet, so I figured I would look and see what policies exist on nicks and channels there.
<sno> If there is a policy against it, I expect there would be nickservices to enforce it, but, I'll look all the same.
<Brymen> damnit
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<Spht> _Pfhormerl_ Blind faith is the crutch of fools.
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all...
<Brymen> Rammstein, Korn and....!
<Brymen> ice cube.
<Brymen> ugh.
<Brymen> at the same show
<Brymen> thats going to be a weird mix of people
<Stomp> What network?
<Brymen> bbl
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<Pfhormerl> bbiaf
*** Signoff: Pfhormerl (Leaving)
<Stomp> I think i'll have to start subscribing to cable teevee again.
<Tartarus> some lame game irc net
* Stomp picks black snot out of his nose and waits for this 114MB sit file to stop unstuffing with extreme prejudice
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<Spht> _appy-_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Stomp> I wonder what error message it will give me.
<Tartarus> unexpected eof?
<Stomp> Almost thefe...
<Stomp> Yes, almost thfe!
<Stomp> er, thef.
<Stomp> Tefe.
<Stomp> Hef.
<Stomp> Shucks. NO error.
* Stomp detatches to go install 8.5
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<Nosty> 8.5 is out?
<Nosty> As in release?
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<Spht> _Pfhormerl_ Blind faith is the crutch of fools.
<Pfhormerl> 'lo all...
<Pfhormerl> I HATE having nothing to do on a friday night...
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<Spht> _ArtyMorty_ waiter there's a terrorist in my soup!
<Unya> Hey Arty.
<ArtyMorty> lo
<Unya> Some whiner is complaining about you to abuse@teardrop.org.
<ArtyMorty> yeah, i noticed
<ArtyMorty> i was talking to sno earlier
<Unya> I told him to learn what an abuse account is actually for.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<Unya> What IRC server are you on?
<Nosty> Arty, you have been bad.
<Nosty> Sno will pick you up and shake you.
<ArtyMorty> did sno already tell you about it? the moron's randomly winnuking/teardropping/etc people in my QW TF clan
<ArtyMorty> for the last week or so
<ArtyMorty> so i flooded him and took his nick since that's the only thing that really makes him whiny
<Unya> That's fine.
<Unya> I'm all for it.
<ArtyMorty> he hasn't really said anything else to me except stuff like "you fucking mac user" and "you can't do shit"
<ArtyMorty> thanks
<Unya> I'm just wondering if you're actually violating any private network's policy.
<ArtyMorty> i doubt it, i'm on ny.gamesnet.net
<ArtyMorty> i think the 'adam' client is too
<ArtyMorty> ny's /motd doesn't say anything at all specific, just who to /msg for help
<ArtyMorty> the other servers are even funnier, 2 or 3 of them don't have MOTDs due to drive crashes or admins just not making them
<Unya> OK.
<Unya> I don't give a fuck about gamesnet.
<Unya> I take it Sno had no intent of doing anythign about it either?
<Nosty> I think you should pass the letter around for everybody to read.
<Nosty> Abuse letters are so funny.
<ArtyMorty> not that he knew of
<Unya> I may.  Post it to the motd or something.
<Unya> If I get one more message from this guy, I will be forced to hurt his feelings.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<ArtyMorty> he's sent more than one?
<Nosty> Nah, let him get letters back from all of us on the box.
<Unya> He replied to me.
<ArtyMorty> neat
<ArtyMorty> people would know i was alive if this went in the motd though:P
<Unya> I said "You're mailing abuse@ regarding someone having taking your IRC nickname?  Are you kidding?"
<ArtyMorty> i just kinda left for a while after GMS banned me for no reason
<Unya> And then he said you were flooding him and it was a violation of gamesnet policy, and he just wants his nick back, etc.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<ArtyMorty> dunno what makes him think i was flooding him, i haven't said anything to him all day
<Unya> And I mailed him back and told him that he was misusing the abuse facility, that no one cared if he got his nick back, and that unless he had some evidence of you flooding him, I would do 100% of nothing.
<Nosty> Only if he'll promise to wear a butt plug while using the nick.
<ArtyMorty> other than something like "you should know better than to order your elders to do stuff" after he demanded i give his nick back
<Unya> The next message this guy gets from me is going to rattle the bones of his dead ancestors.
<Nosty> Then he can have it.
<Tartarus> heh
<sno> cc them to me, would you Unya?
<Nosty> Or those scorpion panties I saw last night while on the web.
<ArtyMorty> i guess he expected silver to belong to some anal ISP rather than real people when he mailed:)
<Unya> I cc'd them to abuse, you should have gotten them.
<Unya> I mean, we'd deal with any real abuse in a responsible fashion.
<Nosty> Even the most anal isp doesn't care about irc wars.
<Unya> But in this guys case, I'm tempted to insult his gene pool and call it resolved.
<ArtyMorty> i mailed his ISP as well since the people being attacked are too lazy to/don't want to/don't have enough command of English to do so themselves, waiting for a response
<sno> I checked the server just to see if there was some kind of policy, but, there is no such thing.
<ArtyMorty> yeah sno, i just double checked ny's and it's completely useless
<ArtyMorty> just says who the admin is and who to ask for help
<Unya> Sno, did you not get mail from abuse?
<Unya> Sendmail might have rejected it as part of a mail loop.
<sno> I haven't looked lately. I'm sure I did.
<sno>  did.
<sno> I did.
<sno> I don't know if you've scared him out of his gene pool yet though.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<ArtyMorty> from adam's reattached screen:
<ArtyMorty> *Adam2* who r u
<ArtyMorty> *** CTCP FINGER from Adam2
<ArtyMorty> *** CTCP CLIENTINFO from Adam2
<ArtyMorty> -Adam2- C5_C10adam PING replyC5_C1:C3 904963489 - SED second(s)
<ArtyMorty> *Adam2* who r u?
<ArtyMorty> *** CTCP FINGER from Adam-
<ArtyMorty> *** CTCP VERSION from Adam-
<sno>  /msg adam2 I am God here.
<sno> Hm.
<sno> Reply from the moron.
<sno> Did you say he'd been winnuking you?
<ArtyMorty> not me, just other people and stuff
<ArtyMorty> lame canned DoS stuff like winnuke, nuke, teardrop, etc
<ArtyMorty> i assume he's tried to winnuke my Mac repeatedly
<sno> I assume that's what the away message is for/
<ArtyMorty> oh, yeah:)
<sno> heh
<sno> Just checking.
<ArtyMorty> he's made stupid threats like asking me if i ever wanted to play in a Quake match without being lagged again:P
<ArtyMorty> i don't think he even knows this isn't the machine i play games and stuff on
<ArtyMorty> and he has no shells or anything anyways, just half-assed windows programs:)
<ArtyMorty> you going to put the mail in the motd or what?
<Unya> OK.
<Unya> There we go.
<sno> Probably not. A lot of people use Silver and while this hardly constitutes abuse of anything, I don't want to draw unecessary attention to the machine from the Starnet people.
<Unya> I'll make the exchange available.
<sno> What exchange?
<sno> Oh, duh.
<sno> I was thinking in terms of phone networks.
<Unya> My letter was less accomodating.
<Unya> But then again, I wanted to be rude. :)
<Balin> hmm
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<Balin> just got back from an imac launch
<Troll> oh my god that kid is lame
<Troll> unya, get the message I sent?
<Troll> I'm on the support machine for 2 secs
<sno> For all we know he's a bright guy who is new to IRC. 
<sno> <shrug>
<ArtyMorty> he's not new to irc, he's just stupid and thinks he can rule people with winnuke
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<Troll> yeah
<Balin> i don't know what all the fuss is about
<Unya> His messages ruled out that possibility to me.
<Troll> luser
<Balin> imac kinda sux
<Troll> he's e-mailing us
<Troll> and we don't care
<Troll> yeah, thier mice suck
<Blenus> 'lo
<Unya> So it's just kind of fun to do nothing for him, and call attention to the fact that we are doing nothing for him.
<sno> I don't think it's wise to be rude with regard to administrative issues, even if they are bullshit. I'm obviously not going to do anything about it, but, I felt like being serious with him.
<Balin> the kayboard isn't that great either
<Troll> well
<Unya> I was serious too.
<Troll> too late for me not to be rude.
<Troll> but I wasn't kidding either
<Troll> I really don't give "a rat's ass"
<Unya> Gack.  Wmaker is pissing me off.
<Troll> nor do I control IRC
* sno shrugs.
<Unya> If I press <alt>-<4> with no 4th console, it creates one.
<Troll> hmmm
<Balin> hi bingo
<Troll> ok, I'm off
<Balin> hi, bingo
<sno> We do control the machine Arty is on, and we could do something were it warranted. But it is not. I explained why to him. He's been stupid but not rude. More like ignorant, really.
<sno> But I also haven't spoken with him outside of reading his letters.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<Balin> HI BINGO
<Unya> OK, this latest message clearly establishes his mental level.
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<Unya> Sno, this is one example where there's just no reason to be anal.  The guy made it clear that he was a retard with no insight into the structure of IRC.
<Unya> His latest message consisted entirely of making fun of Macs, calling us "crackmonkeys", and threatening us.
<sno> I think we need to make abuse it's own account so we can reply from it.
<sno> I see that.
<Unya> That sounds like a good idea.
<Unya> Although I for one have no problem with this guy continuing to mail me.
<Unya> There is just too much potential to pass up.
<Balin> who are you guys talking about?
<Unya> Some weenie lamer kid.
<Balin> stomp?
<Ap> who, troll?
<ArtyMorty> balinx, someone on another ircnet whose nick i took in light of his repeatedly winnuking/teardropping other people for no reason
<Balin> heh
<ArtyMorty> i knew he had problems but i didn't think he'd be immature enough to stoop to stuff like making fun of macs and calling you names:)
<Unya> Damn it.
<Unya> Troll's dept gets pizza.
<Unya> Again.
<Balin> well, macs do suck.
<Unya> It's amazing how often this company orders pizza.
<Ap> unya: lots of ISPs bribe their support staff on a regular basis.
<Unya> Pizza Hut must have a special StarNet driver.
<Ap> UUNET's taking the NOC out to a swank pool hall/restaurant next friday evening.
<ArtyMorty> i mailed his provider an eloquently worded letter regarding what a loser he was and how what he's doing is bad and why it's in their best interests to do something about it
<ArtyMorty> since v-wave has enough users like that and we get smurfed every few days still
* Unya does his bit for Troll's good day.
<ArtyMorty> heh
<ArtyMorty> i think he realized arguing with you two is even more futile than trying to order me around
<ArtyMorty> *Adam-* man gimme my nickname back
<Unya> Anyone know where to find NiftyTelnet site?
<sno> He's earned his host in our deny list.
<sno> It's off of CMU.
<sno> Hit yahoo for +nifty +telnet
<sno> Throw in +cmu if need be.
<ArtyMorty> what's he trying to do, login as guest or winnuke silver or something?
<Tartarus> http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/software/nifty.html maybe?
<Tartarus> ah, http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/dist/niftytelnet.html
<sno> Arty, have you flooded this guy at all?
<ArtyMorty> not that he would have any proof of, no
<ArtyMorty> he had to leave once so i could get his nick
<sno> In any way, shape or form? I obviouslyy don't care, but....
<sno> Ok.
<sno> Not from silver though, right?
<ArtyMorty> of course not
<sno> Just checking.
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<Spht> _appy-_ Ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long.
<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<sno> I went and got anal about it and made logs of everything and total him that nothing wrong was being done with regard to our machine. Take it up with someone else.
<Stomp> Okay, 8.5 sucks my ass.
<Stomp> With joy.
<Nosty> Has 8.5 been released?
<Stomp> Not afaik.
<Stomp> I'm running fc2.
<ArtyMorty> FC4 is out now, still not GM though
<ArtyMorty> i'm still running 7.6b3 on this machine, been working perfectly since it was released two years ago
<Stomp> It stimulates my naughty bits.
<Stomp> Even if I can't mount this image of new theme files...
* Stomp looks for Shrinkwrap
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<sno> Morons.
<sno> All of them.
<Nosty> I'm supposed to go out tonight and I'm already getting tired.  Bah.
<sno> The world seems to be lagged.
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<sno> All the same, I have logs of everything involved in case he manages to contact anyone who will pretend to care.
<Unya> Hey Sno, want to come pick Adam up?
<sno> Sure.
<sno> Shall I leave now?
<Unya> Yeah.
* sno sighs.
<sno> Blackened is being a pain.
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<Spht> _alligator_ Match it, batch it, latch it
*** Topic change on #marathon by ArtyMorty: lots of metal and industrial and stuff at ftp://bt.caltech.edu/
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<sno> Did I op a whole bunch of people just now?
<ArtyMorty> a few
<sno> Arty, Pfhormerl, etc...
<alligator> hey sno
<ArtyMorty> can we see the email exchange now?
<alligator> haven't seen you in a bit
<sno> Hey Gator.
<alligator> what's the good word from the south west
<alligator> ?
<sno> I'm afraid you're not going to for yet another bit, as I'm about to take off....
<alligator> d'oh
<alligator> well
<sno> Not a lot that's good at the moment.
<alligator> have fun  :)
<sno> I'll be back in a while.
<alligator> okay
*** Signoff: sno (Reconnecting)
<alligator> I'll be here for you...
* alligator hums the theme song to friends
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* alligator slaps himself and shudders
<sno> WHat the hell?
<sno> Spht just opped me right?
<alligator> yep
<alligator> shore did
*** Topic change on #marathon by sno: Guess so.
<sno> Wow.
*** Topic change on #marathon by ArtyMorty: lots of metal and industrial and stuff at ftp://bt.caltech.edu/
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<sno> Server messages are getting lost. This sucks.
*** Signoff: sno (Time wasted: 3 days 1 hour 55 minutes 18 seconds)
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<sno> This will have to do until I fix lice.
* sno sighs.
*** Signoff: Ballade (brb)
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<sno> See you soon.
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<NeoN> Hey all
<NeoN> I'm coming at you from an iMac, aw hell yeah
<Ap> heh
<NeoN> Well, an iMac using Timbuktu which is connected to my computer at the UW
<NeoN> but I'm home right now
<NeoN> I really like this iMac
<NeoN> fast little fusker
<Ap> i like 'em too.
<NeoN> great for net marathon too!
<NeoN> I played the best I've played in a long time using this thing
<Ap> and when you go near 'em you can't help but rub your hands all over them.
<NeoN> heh, damn right
<NeoN> This is odd that i'm using timbuktu, but it's cool
<NeoN> I like to do things the hard way, I guess
<Ap> so you're on the imac controlling your own machine?
<NeoN> I could've just downloaded BetterTelnet, but where's the fun in that?
<NeoN> yep =)
<Ap> rock.  =)
<NeoN> I pretty much sold the iMac on my sister
<NeoN> and one other guy too
<Ap> they practically sell themselves.
<NeoN> I went into CompUSA to show my sister the iMac and this one guy approaches me and says "So, what do you know about this thing?"
<Ap> load 'em up with mp3's and yer set.
<NeoN> I told him everything I knew and pretty much told him that if I didn't have a 266MHz G3 minitower that I'd buy one myself
<NeoN> It was kind of funny because compusa had 0 sales people on hand; I was their salesperson?
<Nosty> Cool Neon.
<NeoN> yeah, it is cool
<Nosty> Apply for a job :)
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<LukPac> lo all
<NeoN> They only have one apple salesrep, so I could
<NeoN> he Luk
<LukPac> hey neon
<NeoN> btw, Nosty..
<NeoN> nevermind
<LukPac> DoIt?
<NeoN> huh?
<NeoN> Oh, no, compusa
<LukPac> ahh
<LukPac> yer not out?
<NeoN> what?
<NeoN> man, I'm at home using an iMac right now..
<LukPac> out...doing stuff...
<NeoN> logged onto my G3 at school using timbuktu
<LukPac> you drunk or high or something?!
<LukPac> cool
<NeoN> heh, kind of drunk
<NeoN> not smashed though
<LukPac> stupid Iomega driver...
<LukPac> my Jaz drive sometimes won't spin up for like 2 minutes...
<LukPac> if it has been sleeping...
<NeoN> bummer
<LukPac> new driver is giving me probs
<LukPac> and I can't update the driver on the disk for some reason
<NeoN> bummer
<LukPac> er...maybe it did update
<LukPac> or maybe it was just the driver on the computer...not sure
<Balin>  imacs suck
<LukPac> why?
<Balin> pcs suck worse, but thats beside the point
<Balin> the monitor isn't that great
<Balin> the kayboard is weird
<Balin> the mouse sux
<LukPac> can't say I've used one, but...
<Balin> and the macos... we all know the problems wit hthat
<Nosty> Have you guys seen the latest thing those whacky canadians are responsible for?
<LukPac> have not heard any of those probs...
<Nosty> http://wwwwis.com/manhood/
<Balin> nosty, the penis hood?
<Nosty> Yes, the url is correct.  Copy and paste as is.
<Nosty> Yes, the penis hood.
<Nosty> I figured I'd rag on Canadians while some were present.
<Balin> luk, i am on a g3 desktop 266, 160m ram
<LukPac> any of you see the Wired article on .tv?
<Balin> and i'm dieing for macosx
<LukPac> hmm
<LukPac> some obscure island country has the top domain .tv...
<LukPac> and all these people are trying to get it...
<Balin> nosty, reading that page made me very glad i have my foreskin
<Nosty> Balin, I've never heard of men who have the problems they claim.
<Nosty> I've only been with circumsized men.
<Balin> stil..
<Balin> hmm
<Nosty> I have yet to examine an uncircumsized one irl.
* Ap fires up 'Jesus Built My Hot Rod' and turns his room into a one-man mosh pit.
<Balin> during an erection theforeskin becomes part of the shaft, so, whats thie deal with people who are circumsizec
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<Balin> do they have particucularly tight rerections?
<Balin> hmm
<Nosty> Balin, I have no objections to uncircumsized penises.
<Nosty> In fact, Nerd and I had a discussion about if we'd circumsize our kids.  I left it up to him, and he didn't want it.
<Balin> why would you circumsizse your kid?
* NeoN is away. Automatically set away _SZon_
<Nosty> Tradition in his family.
<Balin> imo its a violation of human rights.
* Ap is cut, doesn't feel terribly resentful.
<Ap> i certainly don't remember it happening.
<Nosty> I basically told him that I have no problem with his religion.  I'm happy to participate in anything, except for attending a bris.
<Nosty> That even included if we had kids.  I'd want them done in a hospital.  He said they weren't going to be done.  That was it.
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<Nosty> I'm also not into piercing babies ears.
<Nosty> I figure I'll wait until they can ask themselves.
<Balin> ap, do you think you were violated?
<Ap> no.
<Balin> percing babies ears? evil
<Ap> but that's mainly because i don't remember it happening, or being any other way.
<NeoN> Well, later all
<Balin> ap, are you religious?
<Ap> hell no.
<Balin> heh
<Balin> good heavens, god no!
<Ap> hah
<Ap> 'religion is the opiate of the masses' -- karl marx
<Nosty> Appy, are you atheist or agnostic?
<Ap> i'm an atheist.
<Ap> but for the same reasons others are theists.  which is kind of ironic.
<Balin> fuckit
<Balin> god damn i love ratm
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<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
<Nosty> Well, back to washing for me.
* Troll has returned to his console. Agent:
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<Nosty> Hand washing is such a pain.
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<Nosty> Evil cmu split.
<sno> This movie rocks.
<Nosty> What are you watching Sno?
<Balin> i dude might be able to get me a plain ticket to the usa cheap at the end of this year
<Balin> plane
<sno> The Name of the Rose.
<Balin> $aus 4 - 500
<sno> Awesome!
<sno> Come and visit us if you do, dude.
<Balin> :). he's goin gto the macworld.
<Balin> so i'd probably follow him there as his assosiate
<Ap> who, squeaky?
<Balin> ?. a mac guru in sydney
<Ap> ah.  
<Ap> all you said was 'he'.
<Balin> he's like secretary for the sydney mac users group
<Balin> woops
<Balin> i dude = a dude
<Balin> yeah
<Balin> this lag to silver is hell
<Ap> ask for a refund.
<Ap> make sno pay through the nose.
<Balin> yeah, i just with there was some work around
<Balin> wish
<Ap> impudent dog that he is.
<Balin> actually the lag is ok, its when it keeps frezzing for 15 secods it gets frustrating
<Stomp> Crap. I'm not getting tired of these interface counds.
<Stomp> sounds, damnit.
<Ap> the 8.5 sounds?
<Ap> aren't they awesome?
<Stomp> I had assumed that they would get old quick.
<Ap> but no!
<Stomp> But apparently I was wrong.
<Balin> it took me about a week to get sick of them
<Stomp> I hate being wrong.
<Ap> i actually miss them when i go back to 8.1
<Balin> it does get annoying when you are listening to a cd or mp3 loud, and navigating the finder
<Mr_Cooger> What does IDE stand for? 
<Ap> Incredible Disk Empire.
<ArtyMorty> internal/interconnect data/device and i can't even guess what the e is for
<ArtyMorty> those are the only 4 words i can think of for the first two letters that would make sense:)
<ArtyMorty> just check with altavista
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<Spht> _Wodo_ I'm a lame ass.
<Spht> _Tartarus_ I am fueled by filth and fury.
<Stomp> These sounds are turning me on. Hi-Tech sounds are good too.
<Ap> oooh.  stomp.  can you dcc me the hi-tech theme file?
<Stomp> In a few minutes.
<Stomp> Actually, i've got the package they're in here...
<Ap> i only have platinum.
<Stomp> hi-tech and gizmo "for f2", but I think they're just files from an older version, since they're not included in f2
<Stomp> 5.9 megs, want?
<Ap> that include sounds?
<Stomp> Yep.
<Ap> rock.  fire it this way.
* Ap readies the catcher's mitt.
<Mr_Cooger> Integrated Drive Electronics
<Troll> IDE
<Stomp> Gizmo sounds aren't quite as orgasmic.
<Ap> what are the hi-tech ones like?
<Stomp> A little bit of star trek, a little bit of echo, and all sexula.
<Ap> oooh baby.
<Ap> what all is in this pack?  themes, sounds...
<Ap> background pics/patterns?
<Stomp> That's it.
<Stomp> Oh, no.
<Stomp> The package didn't include any individual graphics, anyway.
<Ap> hmm.
<Ap> do you have the corrugated steel pattern with hi-tech?
<Stomp> erg, the new PPP software appears to have some issues.
<Stomp> The only high-tech texture I noticed was the boilerplate.
* Ap is using old-school OT/PPP.
<Ap> the little diagonal diamonds?
<Stomp> I didn't look very hard, i'm still absorbing platinum.
<Stomp> Yeah.
<Ap> okay.
<Stomp> Long diamonds.
<Stomp> Boiler plate.
<Ap> yeah.  that's corrugated steel.
<Ap> i want to do my bedroom floor in that stuff.
<Stomp> Okay. Kill me now. All the sounds pan.
<Ap> isn't that awesome?
<Stomp> God damnit. This shouldn't be legal.
<Stomp> Or quasi0-legal, as the case may- is.
<Stomp> Who's eating my bandwidth?
<Ap> me.
<Stomp> Oh yeah. Mozilla.
<Stomp> You're sucking from silver.
<Ap> oh, no wonder it's nice and fast.
<Stomp> More or less.
<Stomp> I got 8.5 at like 160k/sec.
<Ap> do you have the image up still?
<Stomp> Nope.
<Ap> hm.
<Stomp> It was eating space
<Ap> do we have quotas?
<Stomp> I start to feel uneasy when my home dir takes more than 100MB.
<sno> Stomp, you are one person who is welcome to use a large amount of space. We'll let you know if it's a problem.
<Ap> so technically there is space on silver such that i could grab the full image if i wanted to.
<Ap> would you mind if i did temporarily?
<Stomp> Neeeet.
<Ap> whut?
* Stomp looks for things to download to abuse this blessed status
<Ap> oh.  heh.
<Stomp> 8.5's text antialiasing is a monkey skull of alot faster than SmoothType.
<Ap> oh yeah.
<Stomp> Looks different tho. More like normal, but smoothed.
<Ap> big time.
<Ap> i stole Techno from an early pre-alpha of 8.5.
<Ap> been using it since like January.
<Stomp> I'm using it right now.
<Ap> it makes me wet.
<Stomp> My loins. They're aching.
<Stomp> And my right ear just tingled because of the application menu.
<Ap> how do you get the process switcher to turn into the little buttons?
<Stomp> I used the help file.
<Unya> Ap, what are you using?
<Stomp> It has some built-in applescripts.
<Ap> 8.1 at the moment.  once i get these themes i'll reboot into 8.5.
<Ap> ah, hmm.
<Stomp> The switcher is fully scriptable, but unfortunately that's pretty much the only way to really modify it.
* Ap didn't get any help with his 12MB system folder download.
<Ap> nor OT or anything.
<Unya> Is 8.5 a worthwhile install?
<Stomp> You can click the zoom box with various modifiers to do neet things.
<Ap> i'm addicted to it.
<Stomp> But you can't make the title bar go away, afaik.
<Unya> I wish someone from home would call about my Mac like they said they would.
<Ap> but it's got a lot of interface goo which will be lost on you since you hate that stuff.
<Stomp> You can also just drag the edge of a button to shrink it down to icon-size.
<Unya> Me?
<Stomp> Unya: I think it's worth it.
<Ap> yes.
<Stomp> It's very attractive.
<Ap> it's nice and zippy too.
<Unya> Why would I not like it?
<Ap> i seem to remember you being bare-bones interface man.
<Mr_Cooger> What does PERL stand for? 
<Ap> not one for eye candy on account of taking a performance hit.  although, the 8.5 stuff doesn't nail your performance at all a la kaleidoscope.
<Stomp> Pathalogically Eclectic Rubbish Lister.
<sno> Damn you.
<Ap> Practical Extraction and Reporting Language.
<sno> I almost had that out.
<sno> Larry Wall supports both interpretations.
<Stomp> The hi-tech and gizmo menus are slower to draw on my computer. By alot.
<Ap> as he should.
<Unya> Well, I like a well-thought-out interface.
<Stomp> Bu thte windows are fine.
<Ap> unya: i'm talking more eye-candy.
* Ap doubts he'll notice the menu slowdown on his ubermachine.
<Stomp> It doesn't feel like they've just tacked on eye candy, it feels like they're polished until you can see someone behind you throgh yourself.
<Unya> Oh wow.  I just found something that will keep Adam spanking for months.
<Stomp> Me type bad? Uh oh!
<Ap> stomp: that's because they're a) designed by the experts, and c) have been worked on for years.  =)
<Stomp> Gizmo is not my thing. Hi-Tech is ok. Platinum gives me spontaneous orgasms.
<sno> And B?
<Stomp> I remember someone on a web page saying that MacOS 8.5 Platium is the best looking operating system they'd ever seen, I would have to agree.
<Stomp> By a very very wide margin.
<Ap> s/c/b
<Stomp> I prefer c.
<Ap> platinum is gorgeous with the 16 bit icons, yes.
<Ap> c) it is.
* Stomp giggles and launches Mozilla
<Ap> i'll definitely be plunking down money for 8.5 the day it's available.
<Stomp> Aw, it crashed.
<Stomp> Who'd a thunk it.
<Ap> heh.
<Stomp> Macsbug looked very bad.
<Ap> crap.  i have to dismantle my desk tonight before i go to bed.
<Stomp> 640x480 surrounded by random crap.
<Ap> 25 minutes to go.
<Stomp> Hey, it worked this time.
<Stomp> And I found out that the memory settings for a program are stored in a seperate section int he Get Info window,
* Ap likes it when he has a nice, steady transfer rate from silver.
<Stomp> not sure what I think of that.
<Stomp> Apparently Raptor, or whatever it's called now, isn't part of the distribution.
<Stomp> Feels pretty much exactly the same, actually.
<Ap> what, the Find feature?
<Ap> 'Sherlock'?
<Stomp> Mozilla.
<Ap> oh.
* Ap shrugs
<Stomp> Raptor being the new improved HTML rendering.
<Stomp> They've really... Umm... Not done much of anything.
<sno> Mmmm. Shagadelic baby.
<Mr_Cooger> Isn't it called NGLayout or something now? 
<sno> Christian Slater getting some.
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<Stomp> What have those silly Mozilla people been working on all these month(s)?
<Ap> you'd hope they would be cleaning out code bloat.
<Stomp> I suppose it's a little bit faster.
<Mr_Cooger> Hey, did you guys see that text-mode quake? 
<Stomp> At rendering complex tables, anyway.
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* Ballade is away, because he is.
<Ap> hmm.  it was my last day at work today.  i got to play with kritter's new PBG3.  my loved one is starting to feel better.  it's almost time to start school.  what a great day.
<sno> "Is that bad?" - "For a monk it does present certain problems."
<Troll> heh
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<sno> "How tranquil lief would be without love, Adjul. How peaceful, how simple. And how dull."
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<Ap> sno's being intellectually stimulated on a friday night.  nerd!  nerd!
<sno> I'm watching the Name of the Rose.
<Ap> i know.
<sno> "No. No. No. No."
<Unya> You guys going to come get me?
<Stomp> I changed a tire today.
<Stomp> I am not a geek.
* Stomp hangs his head in shame
<sno> Yeah, I'm on my way, Unya.
<Unya> OK.
<Stomp> Ooooooh. 16-bit CD icon.
<Unya> We'll print your resume.
<Unya> 16-bit icons?
<Ap> yeah.  =)
<Ap> yep.
<Unya> Are they larger, too?
<Ap> nope.
<Stomp> Nope.
<Unya> Then 16 bits worth of color is kind of odd.
<Stomp> One word: Transparency.
<Stomp> And they're so smooth.
<Ap> not really.  yeah - transparency, and shading.
<Unya> You mean the icons are always transparent?
<Stomp> No, they can have transparent bits.
<Unya> There are parts of them that are translucent?
<Stomp> The shadows, antialiasing.
<Ap> the labels are see-through.
<Stomp> yeah.
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<Ap> or the highlights over the names.
<Unya> Take a screenshot.
* Stomp gestures for appy to take care of it
<Ap> it really is orgasmic to work in.  it's like Rhapsody but without those huge-ass 1280x1280 icons.
<Ap> sure.
<Unya> Upload it as a tiff.
<Ap> fuck you?
<Unya> I'm on a Unix system.
<Stomp> Crack that whip.
<Unya> So no resources, please.
<Ap> big-ass jpg for you.
<Unya> Unless you want to make it a jpeg.
<Ap> that's what i was planning on.
<Unya> I'd prefer to see it unlossified though.
<Ap> yeah well, i'd prefer to have an isdn connection too.
<Ap> don't feel like uploading a 10MB screenshot.
<Stomp> I kind of miss the black icon border jaggies.
<Stomp> What will become of the IconFactory?
<Mr_Cooger> I was playing around in MacOS8 today. It looks so fuckin' beautiful. 
<Ap> they already have an 8.5-aware set up.
<Mr_Cooger> Windows is ugly. 
<Stomp> And how long until GraphicConverter supports 16 bit icons for thumbnails?
<Stomp> Cooger: 8.5.
<Unya> 1280x1024x24 is slightly smaller than 10 MB.  May I suggest my image filesize calculator at http://www.grayphics.com/scanning/
<Mr_Cooger> Huh? 
<Stomp> You will orgrasm.
<Ap> i run at 1152x870x32.
<Lothy> eek, room spinning.
<Mr_Cooger> Is it faster than OS8? 
<Stomp> Infected penis?
<Stomp> A little.
<Lothy> Viral infections suck.
<Ap> coog - yes.  and really pretty to look at.
<Stomp> They've added a ton of pretty without hitting the speed.
<Mr_Cooger> I don't want any of that weird theme shit. J ust a real nice, elegant UI like OS8. 
<Unya> You can still calculate a slightly less silly filesize at the URL I gave you.
<Lothy> I was at the hospital for several hours yesterday.
<Ap> if it's over 1MB i'm not doing it.
<Stomp> That's what the Platinum appearance is for.
* Mr_Cooger shouts "JPEG!" 
<Stomp> Make sure to get alot into that shot, ap.
<Ap> okay.
<Unya> Just jpeg it.
<Lothy> Stomp, the penis has scabbed over and there is a lot less pain.
<Ap> i plan on it.  i'll max the quality though.
<Ap> did you have fun explaining it at the hospital?
<Stomp> I'm really surprised that i'm digging the interface sounds.
<Ap> don't be ashamed, stomp.  they really are that cool.
<Mr_Cooger> What does HFS stand for? 
<Ap> Hierarchical File System.
<Ap> not to be confused with HPFS, which is OS/2's High Performance File System.
<Mr_Cooger> Yeah, I knew HPFS. 
<Troll> yeah
<Lothy> Don't talk about os2, that os discusts me.
<Troll> HPFS is nice
<Lothy> Use it at work, looks so nasty on a 21" monitor.
<Troll> heh
<Ap> os/2 is definitely butt.
<Unya> OS/2 means half an operating system.
<Ap> old!
<Stomp> Okay...
<Unya> Still, it was everything Windows NT is technically, 4 years ago.
<Stomp> So ass is good, and butt is bad?
<Ap> ass is bad.  butt is bad.
<Stomp> I thought ass was good.
<Ap> butt is 'ugly'.  ass is just 'bad'.
<Ap> ass is never good.  unless you've got your hands clamped onto a nice one.
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<Ap> okay.  rebooting into 8.5.
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<Lothy> 8.5,eh?
<Mr_Cooger> I want a Mac more and more with each passing day. 
<Lothy> where did he get his hands on that?
<Stomp> It's all over #macfilez, Lothy.
<Mr_Cooger> I was thinking about taking one and putting BeOS on it. 
<Lothy> I wish I had something to do with BeOS.
<Lothy> It just sits and looks pretty on my powerbase now.
<Troll> magic people magic people magic voodoo people magic people magic people magic people, voodoo people, voodoo!
<Stomp> 8.5 is pretty.
<Stomp> It is pretty.
<Stomp> Look in a dictionary. Find pretty.
<Stomp> It will say See: MacOS 8.5
<Lothy> How big?
<Stomp> 120MB
<Stomp> to download
<Stomp> My 8.5 system folder is...
<Stomp> Ooh, it says "Calculating Size" in the Get Info window.
<Stomp> 144, not a full-monty install.
<Stomp> There's other stuff not in the system folder as well, of course.
<Stomp> What am I supposed to do with my time? I can just keep filling this drive until I run out of energy.
<Stomp> I miss weeding out files to free up another 10 megs.
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<Stomp> God damn.
* Stomp slings around some menus, just to listen
<Stomp> Headphones. I'm wearing headphones to listen to my user interface.
<Brymen> My grandpas imac is so damn scool
<Lothy> Fusk, uhm... I'm stuck with a 24k connection and this shitty viral infection is keeping me grounded, and one of my best friends just got a cable modem today.
* Lothy kills himself.
<Troll> "You're no good for me, I don't need nobody.  Don't need no one that's no good for me!"
<Stomp> So download at his house.
<Unya> Hey Adam.
<Stomp> You've got a zip or something, don't you?
<Troll> Hey Nick
<Unya> I found a nearly perfect copy of the Windows Explorer for Unix.
<Troll> hmm?
<Unya> i.e. it works well AND looks good at the same time.
<Troll> cool
<Troll> what is it?
<Unya> It's called explorer.  It calls itself Linux Explorer in its about box, where they used an image, but everything else is "FreeBSD Explorer"
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> seen it, used it about 4 months ago
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<Troll> it was OK
<Ap> okay.
<Troll> no folder window views, though
<Troll> only an Explorer Tree window
<Unya> Right.
<Troll> yeah
<Troll> Never apealed to me
<Unya> Well, it's everything that Explorer as a windowed application is.
<Unya> It's more than OK though.
<Troll> I like (gasp) the MacOS like window view :)
<Troll> aww Mao is so cute
* Troll pets The Chairman.
<Stomp> Normal old icon view?
<Troll> yeah, new window for a folder
<Troll> etc
<Troll> not a tree off to the side
<Troll> and a folderview pane
<Brymen> the imac so so awesome.
<Brymen> my grandpa got his dtoday
<Brymen> i set it up
<Brymen> up and running in 5 minutes. and he was doing it
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<Lothy> Bry it took me like three hours to set mine up.
<Brymen> my life aint o holidya.
<Brymen> day
<Brymen> why, lothy?
<Brymen> We were connected to earthlink in less than 20 minnutes (he took a while to select a username)
<Lothy> I just moved into this house and couldn't find a screw driver for like 2 hours.
<Lothy> Had to install some ram.
<Brymen> Oh
<Brymen> Well, thats different
<Brymen> RAM is a bitch to install.
<Lothy> Expecially on this thing.
<Brymen> He got a free 32mb ram module.
<Lothy> They didn't make this thing very easy to jump into.
<Lothy> er, open up.
<Brymen> I read the instructions and decided i didnt want to void his warranty right off the bat.
<Lothy> heh.
<Brymen> besides, its my grandpa. hes only used dos.
<Brymen> like he needs 64mbn
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<Lothy> THe instructions were pretty unclear.
<Brymen> i told him if he wanted it down the road he could take it to compusa
<Brymen> the keyboard is really nice
<Brymen> The instructions on apples web site are very very clear.
<Brymen> diagrams and everything
<Lothy> Ahh, all I had was some text and some garbled grayscale image they called a diagram.
<Lothy> They are finally building a CompUSA in omaha.
<Lothy> I was amazed.
<Lothy> Actually I saw that and orgasmed.
<Brymen> man the imac kicks ass.
<Ap> http://www.giganticorp.com/8.5desktop.jpg
<Ap> hey.  the trash empty confirmation dialog isn't modal anymore.
* Lothy downs some vitamin C tablet.s
<Brymen> none of th eimac pictures accurately show the deep bondi blue color of th eimac
<Ap> in fact, a lot of dialogs don't seem modal anymore.
<Lothy> These things rck.
<Ap> or you can least move them.
<Ap> and you can switch out of the finder when they're there.  wahoo!
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<Mr_Cooger> The most important feature in a web browser is that clicking the middle mouse button lets me scroll around the window wherever I drag my mouse. 
<Mr_Cooger> That's all I care about. 
<Stomp> That reminds me...
<Stomp> I'm running out of semen.
<Lothy> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/mythfeature090298.html
* Stomp holds down the cmd key and drags around the contents of a finder window
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<Mr_Cooger> Wat's so different in 8.5? 
<Stomp> Lots and lots of polish.
<Stomp> Speed is better. There's absolutely no performance hit using VM any more, according to some benchmarks i've seen...
<Stomp> It looks gorgeous...
<Mr_Cooger> Only thing I can see is that dumb Next-style application crap. 
<Stomp> The application menu tears off and you can do various things with it.
<Stomp> That's one of them.
<Troll> stomp wanna send me a screen shot>
<Troll> >?
<Troll> arg
<Stomp> ap just put one up.
<Stomp> <ap> http://www.giganticorp.com/8.5desktop.jpg
* Troll scrolls back
<Troll> kick ass
<Mr_Cooger> Well jeez, MacOS sure makes a lot of work for itself. 
<Mr_Cooger> It grays out background windows. 
<Troll> ahh a fellow 1152x864 er
<Troll> :)
<Mr_Cooger> So whenever a new window comes to the top, it has to redraw all windows. 
<Stomp> Not the ENTIRE window, cooger.
* Troll notices the title bar turning into the task bar
<Stomp> Not in most cases, anyway.
<Mr_Cooger> Sure looks like the entire window to me. 
<Stomp> For isntance, the contents of finder windows don't grey at all.
<Stomp> Window borders always do.
<Stomp> Most common interface elements, if coded properly, do.
<Mr_Cooger> Look at the Appearance, MetaTools, and PPP windows, though. 
<Stomp> What's a MetaTool?
<Mr_Cooger> I don't know. It's the 3rd window down in Appy's screenshot. 
* Stomp grudgingly opens Communicator
<Stomp> Hey, that was faster than usual.
<Stomp> Aww, ap, you're not using Techno.
<Stomp> Or antialiasing.
<Stomp> Oh, MetaTools is a get info window.
<Mr_Cooger> antialiasing? 
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<Stomp> Er, text antialiasing.
<Stomp> It's apparently a quickdraw-level feature now.
<Mr_Cooger> Ah. Text antialiasing is a fucking must. 
<niftyman> does anyone know of a good ARNS server for playing IPremote games?
<Stomp> nifty: no.
<Stomp> Look at those icons.
<Stomp> They're purdy.
<niftyman> does anyone know of any other way to play Marathon Infinity over the internet (I have a T/3 connection)
<Stomp> Notice that they remain purdy on the darker desktop background, not just white.
<Stomp> You can't.
<Lothy> I want you to die.
<Stomp> It doesn't matter what kind of connection you have.
<niftyman> I thought so.
<Mr_Cooger> With all due respect, a lot of these aren't really the features I wanted out of MacOS8.4 
<Mr_Cooger> Er, 8.5
<Stomp> Bandwidth means pretty much nothing, latency is what matters, and the internet is just too laggy.
<Stomp> What did you want, cooger?
<niftyman> Anyone else know of any servers?
<Stomp> Keeping in mind that this is still the MacOS
<Mr_Cooger> Speed or stability. 
<Stomp> Well, I don't generally have a problem with crashing, so I can't really comment on that, but speed seems improved.
<niftyman> Does anyone have a server that I could try?  Maybe it isn't too laggy sometimes.
<Stomp> And i'm not really the right person to ask, as i'm using a 601@75mhz. There's only so much you can do with it.
<Mr_Cooger> Speed has "been improved" in every single MacOS release ever. 
<Mr_Cooger> But it's enver gotten any faster. 
<Stomp> Faster at what?
<Mr_Cooger> At anything. 
<Stomp> nifty: it is always too laggy, and there's no such thing as ARNS servers.
<Stomp> They died out long ago.
<Stomp> Around about the time of the dinosaurs.
<Troll> God damn that's a nice UI
<niftyman> that sucks
<Troll> fucking windows.
<Troll> FUCKING WINDOWS UI
<Troll> quote me on that.
<Mr_Cooger> We're wearing Troll down. 
<Mr_Cooger> he will see the light some day
* Troll wonders why momma made Gate's so stupid
<Troll> err Gates
<Troll> MacOS getting better ain't helpin
<Troll> heh, arrows for aliases
<Troll> like 9x
<Lothy> Well, I think I'll go pass out now.
* Lothy dies.
<Stomp> I mean, it's still the MacOS with all its baggage, but they're going mad with the polish.
<Troll> nice current app menu
<Troll> yeah
<Ap> hmmm.
<Stomp> And OSX and such will look like this.
<niftyman> No one plays Infinity over the internet?  I find that hard to believe.
<Stomp> Nifty: I'll tell you one more time, it is completely impossible.
<Stomp> For anybody. Anywhere. Any time.
<niftyman> ok.
<niftyman> thanks for your input
<Stomp> It is ABSOLUTELY NEVER possible to play ANY Marathon via the Internet.
<niftyman> :-)
* Troll rapes the screenshot and makes .ico files
<Stomp> Does windows do transparency in icons?
<Stomp> I know it does 16 bit...
<Troll> yeah
<Stomp> And have Windows icons become any less babboon-ass ugly?
<Mr_Cooger> No. 
<Troll> does nice fading when you have them done somethning
<Troll> the icons themselves aren't that greate
<Troll> -e
<Troll> hence me using all MacOS 8.5 icons
<Brymen> send me your screenshot stomp
<Stomp> I haven't taken one.
<Stomp> It's ap's.
<Stomp> <ap> http://www.giganticorp.com/8.5desktop.jpg
<Brymen> thanks
<Brymen> the iMac is so fucking cool.
<Stomp> Ap, there is like no performance hit while using VM in newish versions of 8.5
<Stomp> I notice you have it off.
<Ap> hmmm.
<Stomp> That is, at it's lowest setting.
<Stomp> Physical ram +1
<Ap> cool.
<Stomp> Applications use less memory, and apparently start faster.
<Brymen> stomp do you use the mail and news functions in communicator?
* Ap turns it on and reboots.
<Stomp> Starting programs for the second time is quick quick quick.
<Stomp> Bry, no.
<Mr_Cooger> When will we not have to set up memory partitions?
<Stomp> Well, news sometimes.
<Stomp> Not in the MacOS, cooger.
<Stomp> Rhapsody, X, etc.
<Brymen> ok
<Mr_Cooger> Blah. 
<Brymen> because otherwise, theres no reason to use it
<Stomp> What did you expect?
<Mr_Cooger> Well, they got guard pages in OS8 as a memory protection kludge. 
<Stomp> Bry, Comm has always been faster than Nav.
<Mr_Cooger> I was hoping for a similar kludge. 
<Mr_Cooger> Especially since the Mac already supports the idea of temporary memory, which is memory outside the boundaries of a memory partition. 
<Brymen> Well thats not even remotely true, but ok.
<Troll> hey stomp or ap, would you mind making me a screen shot with a good selection of icons?
<Stomp> I don't feel like finding proof right now.
<Mr_Cooger> Why not make all memory allocation go in temporary memory? 
<Stomp> Programs with lots of dynamic memory usage usually do.
* Troll pleedes
<Stomp> Brymen, i'm talking about HTML rendering.
<Brymen> oh.
<Stomp> And 4.5 is faster still.
<Mr_Cooger> Well, if you can do that, why not get rid of the memory segments entirely? 
<Brymen> there is no 4.5
<Mr_Cooger> Make the calls like HandleNew and stuff just use all temporary memory. 
<Stomp> Because that would break, like, everything.
<Brymen> 4.06
<Stomp> Don't be a dunce, Bry.
<Stomp> Go look on ftp.netscape.com
<Troll> seesh
<Troll> stomp?
<Stomp> What?
<Troll> seesh was for bry
* Stomp pops open the help system to see if there's a way to turn off alias arrows
<Troll> anyway, could you make me a screenshot with a good selection of finder icons?
<Stomp> Like... What?
<Brymen> Theres no 4.5 Navigator.
* Ap takes a snap of his System Folder window.
<Stomp> No, there isn't.
<Brymen> Be more specific.
<Stomp> You already did, ap.
<Ap> that's true.
<Brymen> Don't call me a dunce when  you don't even say which product.
<Stomp> I've been talking about Communicator this whole time, Bry. Use your rodent-like deductive reasoning skills and figure it out yourself.
<Brymen> I've been talking about navigator.
<Brymen> Use your
<Brymen>         rodent-like deductive reasoning skills and figure it out yourself.
<Stomp> Don't be a dunce.
<Brymen> Ditto.
<Stomp> I am not living in your little world, try to grok that.
<Brymen> And Im not living in yours.
<Brymen> Pay attention.
<Troll> filthy iMac world that Bry lives in.
<Stomp> When I say something, it's a product of my little world, when you say something, it's a horribly flawed and usually incorrect product of your dirty lifeless little world.
<Ap> you forgot barren.
<Stomp> And barren.
<Brymen> Thats stupid, stomp.
<Stomp> This is the way things work.
<Brymen> In your 'little world'.
<Stomp> If I'm talking about communicator, and I say "4.5", I mean Communicator 4.5.
<Troll> shit stomp
<Brymen> If i'm talking about Navigator, and i say "no 4.5", i mean Navigator 4.5
<Troll> I thought you meant strip poker 4.5
<Ap> don't make me turn this car around you two.
<Stomp> If you were talking about having sex with men, and I say "There's a spider on my ceiling", it doesn't mean i'm having sex with a man and watching a spider on the ceiling.
<Brymen> How un-interesting.
<Stomp> I'm trying to use examples you'll understand.
<Stomp> Not an easy task.
<Ap> these hi-tech sounds are driving my dog kookoo.
<Brymen> About as easy as counting  your iq on my toes.
<Stomp> As you have to play the teletubbies in slow-mo to absorb all the information.
<Brymen> Well that wasnt even rmeotely funny. I expect more from you.
<Stomp> Okay, ass huh huh dum PENIS! huh huh huh.
<Brymen> That was even more stupid.
<Brymen> Your commentaries are losing humor value. Shape up.
<Stomp> I'll see what I can do.
<Brymen> thanks
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<Stomp> Ahhh, I can put the date column over on the far right where it belongs.
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<niftyman> Stomp, you there?
<Brymen> yeah stomp? you there?
<Stomp> I don't believe in the concept of "here" and "there"
<niftyman> very funny...
<Stomp> What do you want this time?
<Brymen> a little song
<niftyman> hey listen...I think I have set up an ARNS server on my machine...does anyone want to try IPremote?
<Brymen> a little dance
<Brymen> your head on a lance
*** Stomp kicked niftyman from #marathon (What did I say? NO.)
<Stomp> For gods sake, learn!
<Brymen> He must be related to you somehow.
<Stomp> Obviously.
<Stomp> Mmm. Navigation services file dialogs.
<Brymen> Mmm. Myth 2 NDA.
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<Brymen> I should fax this tommorow.
<Brymen> hahahaa
<Brymen> whos that? oh, its just some guy
<Stomp> Like, what's your major malfunction, nif?
<some_guy> sorry man...
<Stomp> Listen to me.
<Stomp> Are you listening?
<some_guy> just didn't have anything else to do
<some_guy> yes
<Stomp> You can not play Marathon via the internet.
<Stomp> Nobody here has ARNS.
<some_guy> no, maybe YOU can't
<Stomp> And/or wants to use it.
<Brymen> you can certainly feel free to continue harrassing stomp about it though
<some_guy> but I just set up an ARNS server.
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<Ap> ow funny bone.
<Ap> shit
<Ap> shit
<Ap> shit
* jkowall is back. are you there? _SZoff_
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<Stomp> Mmm... Find File 2.0.
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<Balin> woah
<Balin> cool
<Balin> i just loaded unreal
<Balin> and its playing in a window
<Balin> wicked
<Troll> "rockin' dude!"
<Balin> i can pretend i can multitask
<Balin> mmm
<Balin> gooood
<Troll> heh
<Balin> it sill takes over the machine when its accesing the disk
<sno> "Because laughter eliminates fear, and without fear, their cannot be faith."
<Mr_Cooger> "When I was here seven years ago, this show was primarily dominated by
<Mr_Cooger> Macintosh users.  It's nice to see the vast majority is now on our Windows
<Mr_Cooger> systems." - Steve Balmer from his Seybold speech
<Balin> es that was a disturbing comment cooger
<sno> What was Seybold anyway?
<sno> Not the Macworld expo?
<Mr_Cooger> It's a printing and pre-press show. 
<sno> That really does suck.
<Unya> "BOGUS: Bend Over and Grease Up, Steve"  - on a jar of Vaseline at Steve Ballmer's 3xth birthday party.
<sno> heh
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<Unya> Gack.  It's you.
<sno> God, this movie really demonstrates why Christianity sucks.
<Balin> careful there sno
<Troll> It does
<sno> Well, it does.
<Troll> why should he be careful about it?
<Balin> christianity is a very wide term
<Unya> Catholicism truly is responsible for most of the evils between 0 AD and 1900 AD.
<Balin> yes, there are lots of people who are christians who are catholic
<Balin> er
<Balin> who are christians who are not catholic
<sno> It's the only religion so open to interpretation, (a direct result of its creation by the Romans as a population control tool) that it can be used to justify things like the Spanish Inquisition.
<Unya> In my opinion, most of Christianity as it exists today is a deeply distorted version of what Jesus supposedly taught.
<Troll> And a sad mockery of the intiligence of man, and his ability to percieve things as a bigger picture.
<Balin> the hatred i see for christianity is mostly due to the catholics
<Mr_Cooger> Christianity is the 2nd's most successful business ever after Microsoft. 
<Troll> It is a social disease, which is controlled.
<sno> And the inquisitor dies a death deservedly gruesome, but not nearly painful enough.
<Troll> maybe if that took about 3 hours sno it would have been better.
<sno> The Name of the Rose 2: The Death The Inquisitor Deserved.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> 2.5 hours of him screaming and losing digits.
<Troll> one inch at a time.
<sno> In small stages.
<sno> Yeah. :)
<Unya> Poor Ron Perlman.  He looked funny, he spoke a bastardized hybrid of everything Laten, but he sure didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
<Unya> Latin.
<Troll> NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
<BattleCat> no body expects the Spanish Inquisition
<sno> Boy, didn't wee see that coming.
<sno> Er, well, no I guess we didn't.
<Troll> mmm
<Troll> that girl is cute
<sno> And that's the point.
<Troll> noooooooooooooooooooooo
<sno> That sex scene is one of the most erotic in any movie.
<Troll> 'nother sex scene
<Mr_Cooger> What sex scene? 
<Ap> i'm lying on the floor, where my computer is.  this is Not Comfortable.
<Troll> ap, WHY?
<sno> And my High School had the audacity to cut that out, and yet leave the scene of her having her clothes ripped off in.
<Ap> because my desk is dismantled and in the car to be taken to my place in London tommorrow.
<Unya> Troll, he's still basking in the afterglow.
<Balin> ey, unreal dm is growing on me
<sno> hehehe
<Unya> London?
<Troll> yes, yes I am.
<Troll> London!
<Ap> London.
<Troll> Sweet
<Troll> oh.  CA
<Unya> Ap, someone really must teach you to be more helpful.
<Balin> i wish there was a wide resolution you could play in
<Ap> London, Ontario.
<Unya> Granted, you were educated in Canada, but you should realize that by saying "London?" I am requesting a clarification.
<Balin> like, 640x360
<Troll> brb, shower
<Troll> ;'D
<Nosty> Ap should get some training like Troll.
<Troll> in what?
<Ap> not my fault you don't know our geography.
<Ap> ;)
<Unya> In things that Nosty can talk about.
<Troll> ew
<Nosty> No, in being "helpful"
<Unya> Ap, Canadian geography means "It's north.  They're wierd.  We don't need to worry about them."
* Balin is gone. i am not here. please, leave a message.
<sno> It's rather like when I say that I have been to Lebanon.
<sno> Or Hanover, if you don't see me spelling it.
<sno> You immediately would assume the Middle East and Germany.
<Ap> no i wouldn't.  but that's because i've spent a fair chunk of time in New England on family vacations and spent lots of time looking at maps thinking "hey cool, lebanon."
<sno> Oh, sure, so all Canadians are just naturaly cartographers.
<Ap> we have to be.  =)
<Unya> No.  Naturally they are moose.  They must be trained in anything.
<Troll> haha
* sno moos at Ap.
<Nosty> Nick has email.
* Ap tramples sno and unya
<Ap> 'moose this.'
<Unya> Blah.
<Nosty> Ap, you are wasting your time in Psych.  You will be corrupted like me.  Use your talent.  Go into CS :)  Save yourself now.
<Unya> Ap would make a miserable CS major.
<Ap> i would.
<Unya> At least in Psych he's in a bullshit field to begin with.
<BattleCat> good night
<sno> Yeah Ap, if you wind up talking about sex all the time like Roseann, we'll have to kill you.
<Ap> i'll kill me first.
<sno> hahaha1
<Troll> hehe
<Unya> Could you talk with her about that?
<Unya> We've all been hesitant to suggest it, but that's because you know she won't do anything I say.
<sno> Try reverse psychology then.
<Unya> She catches reverse psychology.
<Mr_Cooger> There's absolutely nothing wrong with a little dildo/vibrator/lubricant discussion every night. 
<Nosty> Unya, in a month or so you'll probably meet one of my psych instructors.
<Unya> Three layers seems to do the trick though.
<Nosty> You can ask her what went wrong.
<Unya> Ah.  So I can pin the blame.
<Troll> heh
<Unya> I have a thought on what went wrong.
<Unya> "Everything.  Probably more, but that's all I can think of right now."
<Nosty> I should have you meet Rosalia.  She's the instructor who wants copies of polebabe and hookbabe.
<Unya> Alternately: "Condoms do break."
<sno> Fitting that you two have similar names.
<Ap> http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?screen=ia_find&link=ia_find&uid=u904a1kc0b07veyi
<Ap> i live near a road called 'wonderland'.  how much does that suck?
<Nosty> Hey, I have the neatest clothing site for you guys to look at.  www.whacks.com
<Nosty> Appy, you should look at this stuff.  It's really grand.
<Troll> nosty you sicko
<Nosty> What?
<Nosty> I think it's cool.
<Ap> oh man.
<Nosty> Too bad it's so pricey.  
<Troll> I bet
<Nosty> They have silver rubber tights.
<Troll> you and your filth
<Ap> if i show this to mesca she'll want to go shopping.
<Nosty> They even have green rubber.
<Nosty> It's so cool.
<Nosty> Appy, here is one for mesca... www.milkmade.com
<Nosty> Like $200-$300 for stuff.
<Unya> Mmm.... roasted Finnish person.
<Unya> .
<Ap> i doubt she'd like a corset.  she has a hard enough time with heels.
<Nosty> I hate heels.  I like corsets.
<Ap> she's big on comfort.
<Unya> Sauteed until crispy in violated copyright law, garnished with a loss of financial backers.
<sno> SSH Communications is going down baby.
<Nosty> Corsets really don't hurt.
<Unya> .
<Ap> where you kids reading this?
<Nosty> It's also how you lace them.
<Ap> nosty: i don't care.
<Unya> Some list.
<Ap> i'm sorry.
<sno> I'll send it to you.
<Unya> Ouch.
<Unya> Shot down.
<sno> It's not, regretably, the full story. I saw the side-by-side code comparison earlier, and I, having graded a ton of assignments, agree with everyone else who posted, it was a total rip.
<sno> Anyway, I'll forward it to your Silver account.
<sno> Done.
<Unya> One mustn't fuck with the FSF in a manner that allows them to win.
<sno> Basically SSH Communications has what is an obvious rip of some bit of mathematical code called GMP in their ssh software. GMP being released under the GNU license means that SSH must be released under the GNU license. Which means that their commercial intent for the thing has been shot down in a big way. Temporarily, at the very least.
<sno> So, that, in combination with the flood of bug reports and annoyances I have read about regarding ssh2 make me very glad I didn't install it.
<Nosty> I think the GNU license kinda sucks.
<Nosty> The Berkeley license is better.
<sno> I think it's a good license.
<sno> It's restrictive, to be sure, but I like it.
<sno> If you don't want to be bound by it, don't use code released under it. And don't bloody blatantly plagerize it either.
<Unya> If the licence screws Finnish people trying to proprietarize public domain code, then I'm all for it.
<sno> That too.
<sno> If it thwarts an attempt at commercializing the only distribution of ssh around, it's good.
<sno> Fortunately, people are working on free alternatives, including a joint Dartmouth and MIT effort.
<Unya> Yes, you too can code with cut and paste!
<sno> Connect the dots' tra la la la la.
<Mr_Cooger> What's the T in T1 stand for? 
<sno> Nothing,.
<sno> DS an OC, those stand for something.
<sno> Namely digital Signal and Optical Carrier.
<sno> Oops.
<sno> Data Speed.
<Ap> failing to care enough to fire up a mailreader, ap simply cats his mailbox.
<sno> )Lazy Canadina.
<Unya> And "fiber T3" is a stupid oxymoron.
<sno> Lagged connection.
<Unya> Since "T" anything implies delivery over copper.
<Unya> .
<Ap> !
<sno> ?
<Troll> whew
<Ap> bed time.
<Troll> yes, time for a good canuk to be in bed.
<Nosty> Oh my.  Two places I just love are online.
<Nosty> I think I shall wet myset.
<Mr_Cooger> Ew. 
<Nosty> Cooger, you should go to Retail Slut.  The cutest wimmin in there.
<Mr_Cooger> Reeeeeeally? 
<Nosty> It's about 20 minutes from where you live.
<Mr_Cooger> What's Retail Slut? 
<Nosty> http://www.hallucinet.com/retailslut/
<Mr_Cooger> Oh, I'v eseen t-shirts with that logo. 
<Nosty> It is the best store to shop in.
<Mr_Cooger> I don't think sthese chicks are really my type. 
<Mr_Cooger> Goth Babe...or Butt-Pirate? 
<Mr_Cooger> Nothing says "sexual ambiguity" like this little number. You'll float through life like Shelley's prose in this billowy Pirate Shirt made with over 4 yards of fabric. Offset the shirt with the Italian gigolo effect of our super Stretch Jeans and you'll have everyone wondering... 
<Nosty> Another place I liked was called the Electric Chair.
<Unya> Do you realize how singularly unlikely any of us are to pay attention to anything you post to the #?
<Mr_Cooger> Ooooh, big bad bracelets. 
<Unya> Whether or not it involves lesbians.
<Troll> lez?
<Unya> Lesbians are special.
<Nosty> I'm getting so homesick.
<Mr_Cooger> Nosty, what definition of "cute wimmin" were you using? 
<Nosty> They have skirts in like orange fur.
<Balin> i don't think i can enjoy unreal if its not at 640x480 30fps
<Balin> which i can not get
<Nosty> I normally wouldn't wear fur, but I'd make an exception for orange.
<Unya> Is there a way in which you are not sick and wrong?
<Nosty> I'm a woman, I'm supposed to be wrong.
<Nosty> We all are.
<Unya> You're a woman?
<Nosty> Technically, I think so.
<Nosty> Unless I have a micropenis affliction.
<Unya> I thought you were the antipope.
<Nosty> Hrm, 1am.  Wonder if Ner dis getting ready to go out.
<Balin> i want to go to a kareoke bar and sing tool
<Balin> (heh)
<Unya> We're about to go to the grocery store.  Avoid the lines.
<Nosty> We're going to the pharmacy and then for ice cream.
<Unya> Damn lesbians.
<Troll> mmm ... lesbians.
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* Nosty licks Stomp's labia.
<Nosty> I guess everybody went to bed.
<Mr_Cooger> I didn't. 
<Nosty> Wanking to Retail Slut pictures I imagine.
<Mr_Cooger> Not at all. 
<Mr_Cooger> I didn't find a single cute wimmin on that site. 
<Nosty> That really is such a fun store.
<Nosty> wimmin is plural.  Womyn is singular.
<Nosty> Remember I spell it like that because I hate men.
<Mr_Cooger> No, it's because you think the feminist cause gains something by misspelling that word. 
<Nosty> I also spell naked as nekkid.  Does that make the nudist cause gain something?
<Mr_Cooger> No, but it doesn't make the feminist cause gain anything by misspelling woman. 
<Nosty> Cooger, in daily life I spell woman as woman.
<Nosty> On irc and personal stuff, I misspell woman.
<Nosty> there are many words I do that to.
<Troll> heh
<Nosty> I suppose I should start saying history as herstory instead :)
<Nosty> Troll spells fuck as fusk.  He's obviously not gaining anything in the cause of sex.
<Mr_Cooger> Well, then we're arguing the same side, aren't we? 
<Nosty> I do think it's fine to use the term wimmin.  As some lesbians label themselves as dykes.  They are trying to use it for empowerment.
<Troll> mmm ... lesbians.
<Nosty> I just think there are better issues to look into than how we spell a word.
<Nosty> Troll, you are starting to sound like Bry.
<Unya> Are you off and thinking again?
<Unya> You know that doesn't work well.
* Nosty throws a bra at Unya.
<Nosty> Nerd and I discussed an exclusively female habit last night.  Scented dresser drawers.
<Unya> Are you capable of looking at people as simply people?
<Nosty> What makes you think I don't Unya?
<Nosty> I don't see you as white satan.
<Nosty> If I call anybody satan, that will be Sno.
<Unya> That would certainly appeal to his vanity.
<Nosty> THat is why I would.
<Unya> I don't know how healthy I think that is for him.
<Nosty> Unya, do you really think I'm into making people feel bad?
<Unya> No.
<Unya> But LIKING being compared to satan, and all that, I don't think that's healthy.
<Unya> It is what I consider an "issue".
<Nosty> Some people like cards with hearts.
<Unya> I consider that less of an "issue".
<Nosty> Well I'm not sure how healthy it is to attempt to live inside of a Hallmark card.
<Unya> That would be a problem.
<Nosty> Really have to starve yourself.
* Troll wouldn't mind it if the issues had a place to be other than a) the room my computer is in b) I could be elsewhere when they made an appearance
* Mr_Cooger flies around her chair. 
<Mr_Cooger> Unya, did you download my plugin? 
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<ri0tWRK> need cool map for infinity w/ new weapons
<ri0tWRK> for two player network
<ri0tWRK> can someone hear me?
<ri0tWRK> hello?
* Tartarus is back, you silly fucksers.. _gone (14h 27m 53s)_
<Tartarus> Nosty, fusk is a #marathon word of long past. :P
<McP> Day 5: Still no stats
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<Balin> i'm alive when you are touching me
<Balin> but i'd trade it all, for alittle piece of mind
<Balin> heh
<Balin> er no, nto a good thing to say to someone.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
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<McP> Note to self: Steaming pot of coffee does not go in the fridge.
<Tartarus> Sure it does, ice coffee is kinda good.
<McP> Milk::fridge coffee pot::???
<McP> a) your ass
<McP> b) coffee maker
<McP> c) fridge
<McP> d) Canada
<Tartarus> d
<McP> e) stats
<McP> Wrong.  It was b.
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<Tartarus> Can't hit canadians on the head with a coffee pot if it's on the coffee maker.  Gotta be in Canada.
<McP> Why waste valuable coffee on Canadians?
<Tartarus> Good point.
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<Al1i> hey guys
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<Mitch> howdy
<Mitch> this the channel for marathon games?
<Mitch> hello?
<Mitch> anyone in here???????
<Mitch> hmmmm
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<Tartarus> More so than the recent announcements by Oracle and Infomix or Linux's growing prominence in the media, analysts hail this as a sign that Linux is entering the mainstream. In one analyst's words: "Many people, when asked, would privately say that their boss is a real wanker. In fact, it's often true. Pointy Haired Bosses make up the second largest group of people who visit these sites (after horny teenagers) and the largest group that actually pays fo
<McP> Way to truncate.
<Tartarus> And push up my words/line stat.
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<Bovino> er
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<Tartarus> hmm, pricker bushes are really out now, bleh
<Tartarus> time to wear a long sleeve shirt when riding.
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<Spht> _sno_ High and wide open, reaching farther, I fly, into the blue.
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<Pfhormerl> bbiaw
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<Unya> Hello.
<Brymen> hey
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<Spht> _alligator_ Match it, batch it, latch it
<Spht> _TrollXL_ A warez pirate is always online.
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<SamS> I'm in a fine mess here!
<Brymen> go take a shower.
<SamS> Maybe that would help the computer I'm trying to resurrect, but I already took one and it didn't help me.
<Troll> uh, what happened?
<SamS> I'm still trying to get ace going.
<Troll> need CD drivers to get the 98 install going?
<SamS> I think I have the network card working, but it's not showing up on it's OWN network neiborhood, let alone mine.
<Troll> what protocols do you have installed?
<Troll> you'll need to install "Client for Microsoft Networks" and the service
<SamS> I have the two of them matched, including all configs (except names, of course)
<SamS> I've tried new cabling, too.
<Troll> oh, yeah, I can't remeber, but I think one of the BNC's is hosed
<Troll> what protocols do you have installed?
<SamS> tcp, ixp, netbui
<SamS> ipx
<Troll> ok, kill everything but tcp/ip
<SamS> on both?
<Troll> microsoft networking can run over tcp/ip
<Troll> and it's bets to deal with 1 protocol
<SamS> good that makes it easier
<Troll> no need to use the others
<Troll> exactl.y
<Troll> what IPs and subnet you got 'em on?
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<SamS> As I was saying, I'll have to wait, I'm installing RC1 now.
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<Troll> ahh ok
<SamS> RC1 is an upgrade only, had to install RC0 first.
<Troll> oh
<Troll> suck
<Troll> :(
<SamS> Thought maybe RC0 was "incomplete."
<SamS> :(
<Troll> I can't send you a 98 CD, our burner hit the crapper
<SamS> This is the fifth or sixth time.
<SamS> That's ok.
<SamS> Well, that's prbably not ok, but it's ok with me.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> its "ok"
<Troll> anchient one
<Troll> one of the first CD-Rs
<SamS> Maybe just as well, motivation to buy the latest, fastest.
<Troll> yeah, motivation lacking the money :P
<Troll> heh, sno just got a taste of x86 ASM
<SamS> Is he having fun yet?
<Troll> "that's it, I never want to see that horror again! .... Adam, hold me, I'm scared"
<Troll> heh
<Tartarus> heh
<SamS> heh
<Tartarus> shown him some ppc asm yet?
<Troll> nope
<Troll> I haven't seen any
<Troll> seen 68k ASM, though
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<Tartarus> heh
<Troll> Mao is just sitting on a chair waiting to blast off on another psyco-cat spree
<Tartarus> i'll gen some sometime if ya want
<Troll> cool
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<SamS> tart, have ytou ever looked at 56K asm?  Is ppc like that?
<Tartarus> nope
<Tartarus> never got that bored w/ my c650
<Tartarus> had a few bugs compiling ppc shit, so i skimmed the temp files before sending it on
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> oh my god, that cat is tweaked.
<Troll> he'll mellow out once he gets "tutored"
<Troll> muahaha
<Troll> the cat go bannan
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<Troll> hahah
<Troll> <sno> "there is no hope for the bag now"
<Troll> cat + paper bag = occuiped cat
<sno> Cat + Paper bag = constant rustling noise.
<Troll> hehheh
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<Unya> Hey guys, is the power back on? :)
<sno> Nope.
<sno> We're drawing power from a small contraption we put together.
<sno> We have the cat running in a wheel, seee....
<Unya> Let me guess.  It burns bullshit?
<sno> The cat is quite wet at the moment.
<sno> He's uh, been behaving poorly.
<Unya> What's he been doing/
<sno> The counter, clawing at things he shouldn't be, getting in the trash. Repeatedly.
<Unya> OK.
<Unya> Aim for his face for maximum effect.
<Troll> oh, he's getting soacket.
<Troll> err soaked.
<sno> I typically have to hit him once to even get him to look in my direction. Then I get him a few more times until he actually gets off the thing. He probably thinks the spray-bottle says "No" every time it fires.
<Troll> he's chillin' now, though
<sno> No! <squirt> No! <squirt> No! <squirt> No! <squirt> No! <squirt> No! <squirt> 
<Troll> Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooow *ricochet*
<sno> I hate to say it but it's kind of fun. Adam played the western gunslinger music while I was getting him one time.
<Troll> heh
<Troll> "the good, the bad, and the ugly" theme
<Troll> I'm good, sno's bad (hey, he wants to be called satan ;'D), and nick, of course is ugly.
<Troll> hmm.
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<sno> I deeply do not understand this.
<Tartarus> sno, want some ppc asm?
<sno> No.
<sno> I mean the bind/unlink stuff with Berkeley sockets.
<sno> With socket and bind calls, you get a file descriptor that is an int, presumably the unique file ID of the file you're talking to, but when the program closes, even if you call close on the socket, it seems the socket isn't immediately released. Which suggests that there is an additional step you must take. The man page for bind mentions needing to call unlink, but that wants a character string path name as an argument, not a file descriptor.
<sno> So I'm confused.
<Tartarus> whee
<sno> Oh, I think I may see the problem.
<sno> I haven't done the calls to close myself, but Adam said that they weren't freeing the socket.
<sno> But he and I are both doing threaded stuff, so, assuming he has more than one thread using the socket, perhaps each thread needs to call it to release its particular hold on it.
<Tartarus> KMFDM shirt is here
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<Spht> _fudgeHQ_ Welcome to the chicken channel.
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<Brymen> ass.
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
<fudge> hey bry
<Brymen> hey fudge
<Brymen> gack
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* sno discovers one of the many ways in which C++ roxors the pants off of C>
<sno> struct blah {}; can be called as blah blahname; rather than struct blah blahname;
<Mr_Cooger> YOu can do that in C. 
<sno> Oh, well, not with Adam's compiler.
<Mr_Cooger> typedef struct blah{}; blah blahname; 
<sno> Oh, well, that's lame.
<Mr_Cooger> Hm. I wonder... 
<Mr_Cooger> Hm. 
<Mr_Cooger> struct blah{}; isn't the "correct" way to name structs. It's usually struct {}blah; When a struct has a name before the parenthesis, it's a tagged struct, and it's name can be used in it's own definition (for linked lists and the like). 
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<DayTrip> re akk
<DayTrip> er
<DayTrip> re all
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<Spht> _Kritter_ Don't listen to those morons.
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<Stomp> Must... Find... SoundApp 2.4.*...
<McP> must...not...kick...Stomp...
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<Mr_Cooger> Cool.A caseless machine. I actually thought about doing that once. 
<Unya> Gimp is cool but definitely not flawless.
<Tartarus> 2.1.24
<Tartarus> garg
<Mr_Cooger> The rpice is right. 
<Tartarus> what ver?
<Tartarus> 1.0.0 isnt too bad
<Tartarus> but yeah, it needs work still
<Mr_Cooger> Unya, did you see my plugin?
<Unya> Not yet.
<Mr_Cooger> Get STrohl to try it out too. He has Photoshop, doesn't he? 
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<Unya> It would HAVE to be him, or on his machine.
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<Mr_Cooger> Oh.
<Unya> Wow.
<Unya> This is the most active I've ever seen the atmosphere here.
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* Troll has returned to his console. Agent:
<Unya> Adam, how's the weather over there?
<Unya> There is so much lightning here.
<Mr_Cooger> Where is Adam? 
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<Unya> At home.
<Mr_Cooger> Whoa. Back the fuckin' truck up. Since when is "Titanic" known as "The Greatest Love Story of All Time"? 
<Tartarus> since it came out :P
<Unya> This is amazingly threatening.
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<Troll> whoot, internic switch domain control over
<Troll> ok, powerin' down
<Troll> nick when you getting off work?
<Troll> oh well, bye
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<Mr_Cooger> Dude. 
<Stomp> Hrm.
<Stomp> I guess I need to find Ircle.
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<Spht> _Squeaky_ This is not Science fiction, this is what they are.
<Balin> hey guys, what is an error of type 1?
<Balin> (macos)
<Squeaky> bus error
<Balin> so, thats bad , right?
<Balin> this 8500 keeps dieing, all the